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 Chapter 4
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 best solvent? 
#115815 - 08/29/08 11:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what would you consider the best solvent?
to me clean is first priority....no residues/left overs.
some things i want from a solvent are: clean (when finished), easy to use, easy to find* and effective.
what are all your favourites? i have only worked with ethanol and acetone, so would like some more ideas. The hexane thread up top is very interesting!
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Dr_T
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#115867 - 08/29/08 04:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Acetone is so sweet, I don't expect to try anything else.
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 captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Dr_T]
#116055 - 08/30/08 08:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wanna look into chloroform or ether.
I hear those are champ.
Acetone or Butane seem to be good as they're readily availible, some countries have drug watches (meth, I'd assume) so butane can be hard to find. Acetone is cheaper than butane or hexane (at least where I live) so that may be what I decide to use.
Iso alcohol is gross for making hash with, I only do it when I'm dry and hurting for smoke.
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Chapter 4
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good to know thanks!
is iso (never done it) different in final product than 95% ethanol?
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#116794 - 09/01/08 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well
iso can be 99%+ alcohol
you can also get reagent grade ethanol thats 99%+
usually id compare them at 91 or 99% iso to 95.4% ethanol.
and id say the ethanol is a better solvement if your using 95% ethanol vs iso i've heard the final product will taste less harsh. Iso is notorious for making harsh tasting nasty ass hash. unless your a shiner or live in texas or some place 95% ethanol would be kinda expensive.
butane, hexane, acetone are readily availble most places and definately are superior to iso.
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coda
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i agree, alcohol is a poor solvent compared to the others available. I prefer hexane since no extraction tube is needed, and also because it doesn't contain water like acetone does. However, acetone is cheaper then hexane by volume, the water can be removed, and does an excellent job of creating a good oil. It's personal preference really.
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: coda]
#116867 - 09/01/08 07:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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acetone here is sooooo much cheaper here.
does the water even matter? I mean like shit people water cure their buds, the acetone extracts the good stuff still and you just evaporate everything anyways.
personal preference excluding isopropal* isopropal hash is truely a sin... I've done it but all I could get was isopropal from a 24hour drug store and I wanted to get some smoke asap.
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coda
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water increases evaporation times. It's not bad per se, you just have to wait longer.
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: coda]
#116891 - 09/01/08 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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removing water is also more work
I guess it's just a toss up
Would I rather remove some of the water from this acetone or would I rather wait longer?
Personally I'd wait longer because I'd probably not be in any sort of rush.
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Chapter 4
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i just remembered a while ago when i first tried to use acetone. i never knew that some plastics are "melted" by acetone. my deck (concrete) still has a long scar from that day i left a bunch of herb in a plastic jar of acetone...in the sun  lol...
anyway, just thought i would mention, use glass 
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#120025 - 09/09/08 06:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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glass or metal is usually a safe bet.
stainless steel is fine for almost everything... generally speaking it's more chemical resistant than glass
plastic id be so iffy on for anything, even 'tane extractions and shit.
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Chapter 4
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yes, i agree....but we dont learn from following directions every time 
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#120980 - 09/11/08 10:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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that's true.
I personally like to experiment a lot.
I love learning and making my friends ingest possibly cancer causing substances 
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Chapter 4
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acetone causes cancer? i thought it all evap'd when you dry it...???
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wowitch420
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#121504 - 09/13/08 10:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think a lot of people are over paranoid about "teh canxor" in their oil
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#121528 - 09/13/08 11:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chapter 4 said:
acetone causes cancer? i thought it all evap'd when you dry it...???
Acetone is fine if used correctly.
However if you used a unknown solvent in a plastic container without research into if it's safe or not it could possibly have carcinogens.
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Dr_T
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Acetone evaps completely, and commercial acetone is very pure. Less danger from acetone than the crap you'll eat when the munchies hit, fer sure.
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INC
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Dr_T]
#122915 - 09/16/08 07:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hexane is what I always use
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INC
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Re: best solvent? [Re: INC]
#122916 - 09/16/08 07:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: INC]
#126266 - 09/28/08 09:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I talked to a grower friend of mine who's been making tons of hash (most of what he grows turns into hash) and said chloroform is his favorite solvent.
and woot! now I know where to find chloroform
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Dr. Penguin
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What is chloroforms legal status in the states? Is it watched?
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BlargIAmDead
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Yeah. Pretty much I believe. Unless your a certified chem lab, it's kinda hard to get.
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captain.koons
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I'm not from the states but it's supposed to be readily availible basically anywhere in the world. Just tell them it's for something other than the use of making drugs.
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Dr_T
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It's used in meth making, and to put people to sleep. If it's not watched, it should be. But I'm pretty sure it is. Plus, it's kinda dangerous.
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wowitch420
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Dr_T]
#130743 - 10/09/08 10:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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theres a lot of things that are used in meth. Chloroform unfortunately for you is not watched. You can get it at most hardware stores as a cleaning solvent.
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Dr_T]
#130877 - 10/09/08 06:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dr_T said:
It's used in meth making, and to put people to sleep. If it's not watched, it should be. But I'm pretty sure it is. Plus, it's kinda dangerous.
Not really dangerous. It can be dangerous if heated up rapidily or inhaled in excess (it was used as a anestetic until it murked some people)
I actually just bought 5gals of it without even showing ID.
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BlargIAmDead
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Dag. Guess I was wrong. Must be thinking other chem then or just full of shit . One of those....>.>......<.<
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captain.koons
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Well 5gals is 20 000ml if I don't want to recycle it when I use some via distillation it won't last super super long.. A lot of my friends want me to do codeine extractions and I wanna extract mescaline, dmt, ect.
Codeine extractions will be frequent as fuck though probably lose a half litre a day doing those.
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BlargIAmDead
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Mescaline extraction IMO is way more fucking work than the end product is worth (used hexane and that shit melted plastic and gave me monstrous headaches). Plus I kinda feels it's cheating cause you don't have to gag down a foot of cactus or a cup of slime tea. But if you can do it....rock on.
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captain.koons
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Yeah I heard if you do a good extract and clean up your product the high is more pleasant than drinking down than the effects of that slime tea... Probably stores a lot better too.
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Chapter 4
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BlargIAmDead, your headaches are probably from not have good ventilation and breathing it in....these things are all pretty unhealthy, may want to consider wearing a mask and doing it somewhere open, like outside deck or something....cant be good for you. hope it wasn't too harsh.
just a guess, but i dont think any extract can last longer than dried cactus, dried peyote buttons last years.
koons, have you done any mesc extracts yet? love to see how they turn out.
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#131683 - 10/12/08 10:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah but how convient is it having a bunch of dried cacti (not peyote) if you had slime tea or extracted mescaline you can dose on the fly.
(I was comparing shelf life of extracted mescaline to cacti slime)
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Chapter 4
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ahh gotcha. liquid does have its advantages, but recently i have found gel caps work great for powdered herbs...time consuming though!
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captain.koons
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#131706 - 10/12/08 02:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I got a powder pal with my scale
gelcaps areeee ezpz I made 132 gel caps and weighed them in around an hour.
I've heard of people making ayahuasca and mescaline cacti slime and drying out the liquid and putting it in gel caps too... sounds interesting :P
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much faster then me lol...i had one of those gel cap filler things, whatever they are called...but wasn't ever good at using it....but get caps sure as hell help disgusting things go down!
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Chapter 4]
#131954 - 10/13/08 11:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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gelcaps are good for selling smack on the corner too 
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Re: best solvent? [Re: wowitch420]
#131983 - 10/13/08 01:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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a lot better than those little baggies or baloons
I think a lot of addicts would prefer the little wax baggies though.
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 Re: best solvent? -- 99% ethanol is damn near impossible [Re: coda]
#828253 - 08/31/17 05:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Go to a distilling site: you'll see:
For chemical reasons too complicated to go into here, about 94% ethanol is the best that can be done without vacuum distillation.
Products (such as Heet) which are industrially produced like that are always adulterated with some kind of poisonous denaturing solvent to prevent people from avoiding the liquor taxes by drinking them. Because I'm not sure about what denaturing agents are used, or how well they will evaporate, I'd proceed with caution in using any denatured ethanol product. 180 proof "everclear"-like drinking ethanol works just fine, at least in my experience.
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Re: best solvent? -- 99% ethanol is damn near impossible [Re: peterthooper]
#828257 - 08/31/17 09:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Welcome to the Growery.
You might want to check the age of threads around here. We are a slow forum these days and have a lot of older threads laying around. I doubt you'll get any responses from the original users involved in this thread.
I personally have nothing useful to add other than the word azeotrope, which is the ratio of ethanol to water which has a lower boiling point than either ethanol or water by themselves, thus preventing removal of water through distillation beyond that point.
Additionally, the vice tax on ethanol, and the practice of intentionally poisoning ethanol in order to ensure that the government maintains its iron grip on the alcohol supplies of the nation is some serious bullshit. 
Cheers!
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Re: best solvent? -- 99% ethanol is damn near impossible [Re: Data]
#828279 - 09/01/17 11:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Captian what type of chloroform and purity?
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Data
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Re: best solvent? -- 99% ethanol is damn near impossible [Re: Data] 1
#828280 - 09/02/17 03:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Data just said:
You might want to check the age of threads around here. We are a slow forum these days and have a lot of older threads laying around. I doubt you'll get any responses from the original users involved in this thread.
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Re: best solvent? [Re: Dr_T]
#829067 - 10/18/17 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr_T said:
Acetone is so sweet, I don't expect to try anything else.
I say Acetone as well.
Using acetone and some heat to evaporation will do it. Also acetone is fast to use. THC Dissolves to aceton very fast.
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