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Like, how scared should we be of zika??
    #817708 - 08/04/16 02:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)


Not very scared.
What's scarier are the herpes and e. coli infected mosquitos they're planning to release on the population.
And the neurotoxins being sprayed in the air.
And the government knocking on your door demanding your piss.

How do you all feel about this?


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817713 - 08/04/16 03:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This one is also relevant. lots of good videos on that channel.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817716 - 08/04/16 04:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: poor boy]
    #817717 - 08/04/16 04:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What?


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817727 - 08/04/16 07:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lookie here, ninjanipples...

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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: poor boy]
    #817745 - 08/04/16 10:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone in Florida?


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817749 - 08/04/16 11:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am, fool. East side miami. Once saw jennifer lopez shopping at a forever 21. She had 2 big ass niggas in suits watching over her.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: poor boy]
    #817753 - 08/04/16 11:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quit bullshitting the guy.
It's TSL, play nice.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Stoneth]
    #817757 - 08/04/16 11:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I could be telling the truth. Fuck! You never believe me! You dont even know me anymore or understand me! I hate you, dad! :crankey:







:hamsterdance::hamsterdance::hamsterdance:


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Stoneth]
    #817760 - 08/05/16 06:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Stoneth said:
Quit bullshitting the guy.
It's TSL, play nice.



By 'niggas' he means buttcheeks.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817767 - 08/05/16 03:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This woman is obviously cherry-picking information and taking quotes out of context to support a very obvious agenda.

1st Video:

Zika virus is in the viral genus Flavivirus, who's members include West Nile, Dengue, Japanese Encephalitis, Yellow Fever, and several other encephalitic vector-borne viral species. Most are transmitted by one specific species of mosquito (Yellow Fever Mosquito), which has been introduced to all continents with the obvious exception of Antarctica. In contract, Zika can be transmitted by both the yellow fever mosquito and the Asian Tiger Mosquito, a much more active and persistent species of mosquito that out-competes most endemic species of mosquitoes when introduced. Most of the time, Zika is confined to monkeys in tropical settings, occasionally spilling over to small populations of humans, who endure a single infection and usually recover. However, it does share much of the genetic information with its highly fatal relatives. Additionally, while other flaviviruses tend to only reproduce in the cytoplasm of the host cell (where all of the cell machinery is contained), Zika subunits and antigens have been located in the nucleus (where all of the genetic information of the host cell is located, drastically increasing the likelihood of direct genetic damage by viral proteins and subunits).

GM mosquitos were originally designed to combat the effects of the Zika relative Dengue, which has 5 unique serotypes (or just varieties if you want to think of it that way). Initial infection of Dengue is usually mild (flu-like symptoms, rash, etc.) and a low fatality rate. Subsequent infection by the different serotypes results in progressively more severe infection symptoms due to a complex interaction known as antibody-dependent enhancement. This will lead to Dengue Hemmorhagic Fever by the 2nd or 3rd infection, and Dengue Shock Syndrome by the 4th infection, both of which result in increasing severity of internal bleeding, blood abnormalities, brain damage, and organ failure. Dengue Virus is thought to have evolved into a human-transmissible form in the 19th century, and has since mutated into multiple serotypes that we see today, with the 5th serotype being isolated as lately as 2013. This virus has been empirically proven to mutate at a quantifiable rate, and subsequent studies show that most RNA viruses (all virus in the Flavivirus genera, including zika) mutate at similar rates (a per-generation basis, meaning that the more replications the virus makes, the higher the total rate of viral population aggregate genome mutation). It should also be noted that the entirety of its genetic mutations occurred (for the most part) in the human population limited to tropical portions of certain continents, and thus a limited portion of the world population.

Now, we have a similar virus (Zika) that currently shows similar symptoms of initial infection (flu-like symptoms, rash, etc)...that can be transmitted by not one, but TWO species of mosquitoes with a world-wide distribution, with a known rate of mutation that is dependent on the number of replicating viral units (and thus dependent on the number of people infected) and who's closest family relative has a known mutation history (within the last 100 years, utilizing a much smaller population of people than what is currently opening up to the zika virus) of splitting into multiple serotypes that enhance the symptoms of subsequent infections, and also has the unique ability to breach the wall of the host cell's nucleus, thus increasing the chance of causing permanent changes to the genome of infected cells.

The nervousness towards the Zika virus seems pretty fucking obvious to me, even if you omit the unproven yet strong correlation between fetal infection and microencephaly, or the chance of developing post-zika guillain-barré syndrome, a degenerative neurological auto-immune syndrome that slowly paralyzes and kills you.  :shrug:

So onto the GM mosquitos.

The GM mosquitoes are not "infected with herpes and E.coli". Instead, they contain small snippets of genetic code from the genome of these (and other) species (not the entire genome, just the 100 or so bases necessary for the tetracycline-dependent expression mechanism). The genes used are fairly common in nature, but they selected code from E.coli to make it easier to replicate the complete gene in a bacterial culture, so they can have more copies of the gene to work with. The only thing this gene does is divert resources towards coding its own promotor to the point that the host cell can't survive. When the presence of tetracycline is below a certain concentration, the gene is expressed much more highly than any other genetic expressions required for the host cell to grow and multiply, and the cell essentially starves. The video claimed that some of the offspring can survive in the presence of trace amounts of tetracycline, but the reality is that gene itself codes for a protein that pumps tetracycline out of the cell, further reducing the chance of survival of the gene across more than 10 generations (each generation lasts about 5 days). You have to remember that this mutation presents a very significant (minimum 85% mortality rate per generation, with average closer to 95-98%) genetic disadvantage to the carrier mosquitoes. Even if a carrier manages to hatch, it will be severely weakened by the constant energy drain and disruptive protein accumulation,  and will be much less likely to pair and successfully mate prior to death, ultimately leading to natural selection phasing the gene out of the gross population.

Additionally, while their is evidence that parasitic insects can contribute genetic material to their hosts, the occurrence is so rare that only 2 species of parasitic insects have ever been documented of transmission to their hosts. Additionally, the type of genetic transfer is extremely limited (excludes the OX513a gene), and if such a transfer were to occur, it would have the same self-limiting effect on the host and host's progeny as it does on the mosquitoes themselves, ensuring that long-term incorporation of the OX513a gene into a mammalian species is practically impossible.

So, while I don't necessarily support the current approach, and may think that more research would be prudent prior to introducing a GM organism into the wild, I know for a fact that the woman in the video has no idea what she is talking about. I can also see why the WHO and CDC would be very interested in limiting the prevalence of the virus, and why most of the scientific community would not be too worried about this particular variety of GM organism. You can also console yourself on the worry about catching herpes or E.coli from a mosquito, and I'm just going to chalk up the whole "government demanding your piss" comment to the same silly superstition and paranoia that tribal people had when WHO was trying to protect their villages from an Ebola outbreak. That kind of ignorance further contributes to the growing list of global threats to humanity. In reality, the only real concerns I have at this point are the effects of mass mosquito population reduction on the surrounding ecosystem. But even that is irrelevant in this context, as the mosquitoes being killed are non-native species in north america...and their presence in general is a disruption of the original ecosystem. :shrug:

2nd Video:

This concept has been around for centuries, its called marketing and advertising...and it will continue to evolve with the various methods with which we communicate information. And just like people having to re-learn how to sniff out a scam (say from a newspaper classified ad or a telemarketer, to an infomercial, to a phishing email), people need to take it on themselves to do their own research, logically eliminate misinformation or bias, identify and learn from mistakes, take a deep breath before acting on some news article, and think for their damn selves when gobbling up information from online sources.

Education is the key. Learn a good health foundation of well rounded topics, learn to use logic when breaking down a claim or an argument, learn how to avoid bias in your research, learn the limitations of what can currently be known about a particular subject (some claims cannot be backed up by current empirical evidence or conclusions built on said evidence). It doesn't have to be public education, there are still plenty of good people posting good, solid content online that one can use to teach themselves the basics of logic, and gain a foundation of peer-reviewed knowledge base. Finally, be THAT parent....learn as much as you can for yourself, but then train and educate and support your children such that they grow up to question what doesn't make sense, to feel like they have the skills to logically think something through, and to have the humility to realize that some very very complex topics cannot be solved using very simple thought experiments (one of the most common mistakes semi-intelligent people make).

Thats :2cents: on this thread. :shrug:


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817773 - 08/05/16 07:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

And what's her agenda exactly?
I'd love to see your sources, can you provide some links?
It's very possible you might not have any idea what you're talking about too. Seems you're just trying your hardest to discredit the lady to be quite honest.
You didn't tell me what you think about the deadly neurotoxin being sprayed over some people in Florida.
You'd be okay with a deadly neurotoxin being sprayed over you?
Are you also implying that you'd be ok with officials knocking at your door asking you to piss in a cup as opposed to maybe going to a clinic on your own time?

Please don't make me laugh, this is a serious issue.


Edited by ninjapls (08/05/16 08:38 PM)


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817776 - 08/05/16 08:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thoughts?


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Bumble_Dick]
    #817777 - 08/05/16 08:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Let's hear them!


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817779 - 08/05/16 10:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Bumble_Dick said:
Thoughts?




:doublefacepalm:

I can't believe I didn't see that sooner...



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ninjapls said:
And what's her agenda exactly?




Her agenda is to discredit anything she doesn't understand as some vast government/corporate conspiracy. Its very easy to see her bias.

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ninjapls said:
I'd love to see your sources, can you provide some links?




I'd like to see a list of your (or her) sources before I'll spend the time and effort drafting up a list for you. This is standard protocol for anyone claiming anything contrary to the consensus of the scientific community. In the meantime, you are welcome to google such obvious terms as "OX315a", "GM Mosquitoes", "Flavivirus", "Dengue", "Zika", etc. Most of this information is freely available within the first results page if you know how to use google. :shrug:

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It's very possible you might not have any idea what you're talking about too. Seems you're just trying your hardest to discredit the lady to be quite honest.




I might not know what I'm talking about, but that would be under the assumption that a broad range of peer-reviewed essays, FDA reports, and decades of virological and epidemiological studies on flavivirus species are all fundamentally wrong. Now, are you willing to tell me that your video,  that appears to be a conglomeration of questionable online news article excerpts, quotes taken out of context, and wild speculation...is less likely to contain erroneous information or wild leaps of false logic than my write up, which is based on peer-review articles and the consensus of the scientific community? If so, then I'm willing to tell you that your ability to properly research and logically break down any issue of substance is sorely lacking. In fact, your statement of "herpes and E.coli infected mosquitoes" tends to support this statement, as you have clearly failed to read up on the publicly available literature on OX315a mosquitoes.

And yes, I feel as though people like this (spreading stupidity, illogical thought processes, and misinformation built from the fragments of shitty news outlets) should be properly discredited. She is beyond helping, but I can at the very least offer up some sort of counter-argument to try and save you from drowning in her stupid, since you seem to genuinely want to know the truth. I hope you'll realize that I'm not trying to shit-talk you (well, maybe a little...but only because you seem like you can take it), but rather trying to help you better your abilities to see bullshit and paranoia for what it is. If I was mistaken, and you just want someone to pat you on the back for blindly following an idiot, then please disregard my posts. :shrug:

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ninjapls said:
You didn't tell me what you think about the deadly neurotoxin being sprayed over some people in Florida.
You'd be okay with a deadly neurotoxin being sprayed over you?




I never said anything about the "deadly neurotoxin", because I don't know enough about it. I don't claim to known anything that I haven't researched thoroughly. The research that I've done did suggest that any attempts at using selective chemical population control on the adult mosquitoes is not advisable, as the adults tend to be resistant or become resistant to most of the common selective insecticides (which is the driving factor behind the development of GM mosquitoes). Knowing this, my opinion is that spraying any type of chemical is probably not a good idea, unless I am presented with information that suggests otherwise. :pipesmoke:

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ninjapls said:
Are you also implying that you'd be ok with officials knocking at your door asking you to piss in a cup as opposed to maybe going to a clinic on your own time?




If officials from the CDC or the WHO came to my door asking for me to cooperate in an effort to identify and contain an outbreak of any flavivirus in my over-populated area of the US, then yes I would cooperate. But this is because I've done my research (because I didn't understand at first and wanted to know more) and realize how much of a potential risk any species of flavivirus poses when exposed to large carrier and host populations. I thought I made this plainly obvious in my last post. Sure, I would prefer to do it on my own accord in a clinic, but that would require me knowing a shitload more about all of the empirical data and the theory required to calculate when the risks warranted a visit to the clinic...all of which would require assumptions based on all of my neighbors going into the clinic at the same time as me (uniform participation, in order to get accurate empirical data, in order to calculate accurate risks of epidemic spread), thus making it impossible to effectively implement on an "as I feel it necessary" kind of basis.

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ninjapls said:
Please don't make me laugh, this is a serious issue.




I agree, this is a serious issue...just not in the context that you are implying.

Good to see you again, Thoughts...that's a nice puppet you got there :elmo:


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817781 - 08/05/16 10:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Not sure what you're babbling about now, but here you go.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naled

http://nospray.org/naled-insecticide-fact-sheet/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/04/health/miami-sprays-for-zika/

Yes it's a deadly neurotoxin, but don't worry, they're only exposing humans to a tiny amount (1 million pounds in the US per year). What could go wrong?


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    #817784 - 08/05/16 10:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

agmotes165 said:
This woman is obviously cherry-picking information and taking quotes out of context to support a very obvious agenda.

1st Video:

Zika virus is in the viral genus Flavivirus, who's members include West Nile, Dengue, Japanese Encephalitis, Yellow Fever, and several other encephalitic vector-borne viral species. Most are transmitted by one specific species of mosquito (Yellow Fever Mosquito), which has been introduced to all continents with the obvious exception of Antarctica. In contract, Zika can be transmitted by both the yellow fever mosquito and the Asian Tiger Mosquito, a much more active and persistent species of mosquito that out-competes most endemic species of mosquitoes when introduced. Most of the time, Zika is confined to monkeys in tropical settings, occasionally spilling over to small populations of humans, who endure a single infection and usually recover. However, it does share much of the genetic information with its highly fatal relatives. Additionally, while other flaviviruses tend to only reproduce in the cytoplasm of the host cell (where all of the cell machinery is contained), Zika subunits and antigens have been located in the nucleus (where all of the genetic information of the host cell is located, drastically increasing the likelihood of direct genetic damage by viral proteins and subunits).

GM mosquitos were originally designed to combat the effects of the Zika relative Dengue, which has 5 unique serotypes (or just varieties if you want to think of it that way). Initial infection of Dengue is usually mild (flu-like symptoms, rash, etc.) and a low fatality rate. Subsequent infection by the different serotypes results in progressively more severe infection symptoms due to a complex interaction known as antibody-dependent enhancement. This will lead to Dengue Hemmorhagic Fever by the 2nd or 3rd infection, and Dengue Shock Syndrome by the 4th infection, both of which result in increasing severity of internal bleeding, blood abnormalities, brain damage, and organ failure. Dengue Virus is thought to have evolved into a human-transmissible form in the 19th century, and has since mutated into multiple serotypes that we see today, with the 5th serotype being isolated as lately as 2013. This virus has been empirically proven to mutate at a quantifiable rate, and subsequent studies show that most RNA viruses (all virus in the Flavivirus genera, including zika) mutate at similar rates (a per-generation basis, meaning that the more replications the virus makes, the higher the total rate of viral population aggregate genome mutation). It should also be noted that the entirety of its genetic mutations occurred (for the most part) in the human population limited to tropical portions of certain continents, and thus a limited portion of the world population.

Now, we have a similar virus (Zika) that currently shows similar symptoms of initial infection (flu-like symptoms, rash, etc)...that can be transmitted by not one, but TWO species of mosquitoes with a world-wide distribution, with a known rate of mutation that is dependent on the number of replicating viral units (and thus dependent on the number of people infected) and who's closest family relative has a known mutation history (within the last 100 years, utilizing a much smaller population of people than what is currently opening up to the zika virus) of splitting into multiple serotypes that enhance the symptoms of subsequent infections, and also has the unique ability to breach the wall of the host cell's nucleus, thus increasing the chance of causing permanent changes to the genome of infected cells.

The nervousness towards the Zika virus seems pretty fucking obvious to me, even if you omit the unproven yet strong correlation between fetal infection and microencephaly, or the chance of developing post-zika guillain-barré syndrome, a degenerative neurological auto-immune syndrome that slowly paralyzes and kills you.  :shrug:

So onto the GM mosquitos.

The GM mosquitoes are not "infected with herpes and E.coli". Instead, they contain small snippets of genetic code from the genome of these (and other) species (not the entire genome, just the 100 or so bases necessary for the tetracycline-dependent expression mechanism). The genes used are fairly common in nature, but they selected code from E.coli to make it easier to replicate the complete gene in a bacterial culture, so they can have more copies of the gene to work with. The only thing this gene does is divert resources towards coding its own promotor to the point that the host cell can't survive. When the presence of tetracycline is below a certain concentration, the gene is expressed much more highly than any other genetic expressions required for the host cell to grow and multiply, and the cell essentially starves. The video claimed that some of the offspring can survive in the presence of trace amounts of tetracycline, but the reality is that gene itself codes for a protein that pumps tetracycline out of the cell, further reducing the chance of survival of the gene across more than 10 generations (each generation lasts about 5 days). You have to remember that this mutation presents a very significant (minimum 85% mortality rate per generation, with average closer to 95-98%) genetic disadvantage to the carrier mosquitoes. Even if a carrier manages to hatch, it will be severely weakened by the constant energy drain and disruptive protein accumulation,  and will be much less likely to pair and successfully mate prior to death, ultimately leading to natural selection phasing the gene out of the gross population.

Additionally, while their is evidence that parasitic insects can contribute genetic material to their hosts, the occurrence is so rare that only 2 species of parasitic insects have ever been documented of transmission to their hosts. Additionally, the type of genetic transfer is extremely limited (excludes the OX513a gene), and if such a transfer were to occur, it would have the same self-limiting effect on the host and host's progeny as it does on the mosquitoes themselves, ensuring that long-term incorporation of the OX513a gene into a mammalian species is practically impossible.

So, while I don't necessarily support the current approach, and may think that more research would be prudent prior to introducing a GM organism into the wild, I know for a fact that the woman in the video has no idea what she is talking about. I can also see why the WHO and CDC would be very interested in limiting the prevalence of the virus, and why most of the scientific community would not be too worried about this particular variety of GM organism. You can also console yourself on the worry about catching herpes or E.coli from a mosquito, and I'm just going to chalk up the whole "government demanding your piss" comment to the same silly superstition and paranoia that tribal people had when WHO was trying to protect their villages from an Ebola outbreak. That kind of ignorance further contributes to the growing list of global threats to humanity. In reality, the only real concerns I have at this point are the effects of mass mosquito population reduction on the surrounding ecosystem. But even that is irrelevant in this context, as the mosquitoes being killed are non-native species in north america...and their presence in general is a disruption of the original ecosystem. :shrug:

2nd Video:

This concept has been around for centuries, its called marketing and advertising...and it will continue to evolve with the various methods with which we communicate information. And just like people having to re-learn how to sniff out a scam (say from a newspaper classified ad or a telemarketer, to an infomercial, to a phishing email), people need to take it on themselves to do their own research, logically eliminate misinformation or bias, identify and learn from mistakes, take a deep breath before acting on some news article, and think for their damn selves when gobbling up information from online sources.

Education is the key. Learn a good health foundation of well rounded topics, learn to use logic when breaking down a claim or an argument, learn how to avoid bias in your research, learn the limitations of what can currently be known about a particular subject (some claims cannot be backed up by current empirical evidence or conclusions built on said evidence). It doesn't have to be public education, there are still plenty of good people posting good, solid content online that one can use to teach themselves the basics of logic, and gain a foundation of peer-reviewed knowledge base. Finally, be THAT parent....learn as much as you can for yourself, but then train and educate and support your children such that they grow up to question what doesn't make sense, to feel like they have the skills to logically think something through, and to have the humility to realize that some very very complex topics cannot be solved using very simple thought experiments (one of the most common mistakes semi-intelligent people make).

Thats :2cents: on this thread. :shrug:





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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #817786 - 08/05/16 11:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:ducklol:

I did kind of get on a roll there for a minute. I just had a tooth and part of my jawbone removed...and I've been inside all day dying of boredom. Everytime I get up and move around I my mouth starts bleeding. :shrug:


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    #817795 - 08/06/16 10:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/133548/20160214/monsanto-larvicide-not-zika-virus-true-cause-of-brazils-microcephaly-outbreak-doctors.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160624150813.htm


The CDC is completely denying this. WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE??
Who do you trust?
That's what it all boils down to. Who the fuck can you trust.


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    #817796 - 08/06/16 12:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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That's what it all boils down to. Who the fuck can you trust.




No. The question is whether youre safe or not. Youre probably a natural paranoid, so i dont care about your answer.


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    #817797 - 08/06/16 12:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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The CDC is completely denying this.




Really?

http://www.cdc.gov/zika/


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    #817799 - 08/06/16 12:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, you're obviously not paying any attention, smart guy.


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    #817800 - 08/06/16 12:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think people here are taking you seriously with replies like that? Posting YT videos and not forming your own argument. The only thing i see you saying is ,"Theyre lying to us."


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    #817802 - 08/06/16 12:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Like you'd care what my opinion is anyway.
I'm just providing information so you all can research the issues further yourselves. Plain and simple. The videos are just good icebreakers into these issues. Nothing more. Relax.


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    #817806 - 08/06/16 03:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The links you posted regarding Naled seems to support what I've said regarding chemical control.

However, according to the MSDS for Naled, the acute LD50 dose in rats is ~300mg/Kg, and chronic effects are only seen in test subjects exposed to 28mg/Kg for 9+ weeks. The recommended application instructions call for 0.1 lbs of naled per acre of land sprayed. Not only that, but the solubility in water is <1mg/L, and the maximum half-life of Naled in water is 2 days. Knowing this, a normal 70Kg male would have to literally eat all surface vegetation, and all surface soil of 462 acres of sprayed soil within a few hours in order to possibly (50% chance) die from exposure, and 43.12 acres every few hours for at least 9 weeks in order to see any chronic ill effects. For water consumption, this works out to an average male having to drink 5,547 gallons of water within a few hours to possibly die from exposure, and 518 gallons of water every few hours for 9 weeks in order to experience chronic effects.

Additionally, the recommended concentration for pyriproxyfen in drinking water is 0.3mg/L. According to several studies on reproductive, carcinogenic, developmental, and physical effects caused by chronic exposure to pyriproxyfen, most abnormalities did not present until dosages above 300mg/Kg of body weight, and all abnormalities were not present below 100mg/Kg. This would mean that a pregnant mother (62Kg) would have to drink  at least 5,459 gallons of water per day during the entire term of the pregnancy in order to experience any developmental or reproductive effects.  In addition, there are plenty of articles explaining that only 1 group (PCST) is claiming birth defects from pyriproxyfen in drinking water, the rest came forward after the initial "quoting" and stated that they were being misquoted, and never claimed that the use of pyriproxyfen is causing birth defects. :shrug:

The reason acetylcholine breakdown inhibition is so effective in insects is because they lack an enzyme that breaks down the inhibitor (naled), causing their nervous system and muscles to seize up. Mammals on the other hand, do possess an effective means of breaking down these chemicals, which is why the toxicity is so effectively reduced.

Its amazing that all you seem to be looking at are news articles, rather than actually looking up MSDS's and toxicological studies on the chemicals involved. Beyond that, its really just simple math. :pipesmoke:


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    #817825 - 08/06/16 11:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's amazing all you're posting is pretty irrelevant information trying your hardest to look smart while not providing sources.
Exactly how much of the 1 million pounds per year is being sprayed each time they spray a given area?
You also gotta take human error into consideration, how do we know they're not over spraying?


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    #817829 - 08/06/16 11:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

And you have yet to post anything but articles about chemical control of mosquitoes (not references), while ignoring all of the other misinformation put forward by your videos.

How do we know anything? How can we trust anything? Do we 100% know we aren't just some fantasy story cooked up in some cosmic entity's mind? Come on man, municipal water supply testing is pretty simple, and if the PCST wants to make claims like they are making, then it should be very easy for them to provide relevant patient data at the very least (widespread lowered cholesterol levels, which would indicate an accidental overdose of pyriproxyfen). Additionally, since the water is freely available for sampling, it would be very easy to determine the actual concentration of pyriproxyfen in the water.

Since none of this data seems to exist, I would think the prudent conclusion is that either the product was administered correctly, or the PCST is wholly unqualified to backup their ridiculous claims.

In the case of Naled, the product is not pure when it is sprayed, but rather heavily diluted in order to evenly distribute. Even if human error were taken into account, it would have to be an error of 1,000,000 the recommended application density. Since all invertebrates are incredibly sensitive to this compound, at the magnitude of human error you are suggesting we would see a mass die-off of all invertebrate and aquatic life, and more than likely plants and major herbivores in the region would also show symptoms of acute toxicity. Since there are no reports of mass cattle deaths or fish die-offs in the region, I'm inclined to rule out human error for the application of Naled as well.

No how about those references for the rest of the video ramblings that you keep ignoring :nyan:


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    #817831 - 08/07/16 12:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but if it weren't for this dude we wouldn't have any of this interesting reading you've authored.

Also,  :burke: this thread


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    #817833 - 08/07/16 01:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed, I actually had a ton of fun writing all of this up :bobmarley:


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    #817834 - 08/07/16 01:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ughh. Fuck it, it's Florida, who gives a fuck anyway.

Nah, fuck that, i give a fuck. I don't care if i'm the only one.
If you fuckers can't care for your fellow man that's on you.
On the whole mass deaths, there's a bunch of unexplained mass bird and fish deaths all around the US.
Naled has been used all over the US since the 50's. Could be responsible.

Doesn't look like anyone bothered to read that 2nd link i posted about naled so ill just post it all here. Cheers.
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NALED Insecticide Fact Sheet
NALED Insecticide Fact Sheet
from Sonoran Sunsets

Naled is an insecticide in the organophosphate pesticide family that is commonly used to kill adult (flying) mosquitoes.

Naled has been registered for use in the U.S. since 1959 and is sold under the brand name Dibrom. AMVAC Chemical Corporation has been the major manufacturer of NALED since 1998.

Use:

About one million pounds of naled are used every year in the U.S. Approximately 70 percent of this is used for mosquito control; almost all of this is applied aerially.

The remaining 30 percent is used in agriculture. Major agricultural uses are on cotton in California and Louisiana, on alfalfa in Idaho and Oregon, and on grapes in California.

Efficacy of Mosquito Treatments

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has written that “adulticiding, application of chemicals to kill adult mosquitoes by ground or aerial applications, is usually the least efficient mosquito control technique.

Naled is no exception. For example, researchers from the New York Department of Health showed that 11 years of naled spraying was “successful in achieving short-term reductions in mosquito abundance, but populations of the disease-carrying mosquito of concern “increased 15-fold over the 11 years of spraying.

Mode of Action

Like all organophosphate insecticides, NALED (DIBROM) Naled is an insecticide in the organophosphate pesticide family used primarily for mosquito control. Dibrom is a common brand name for naled products. About one million pounds are used annually in the U.S. Like all organophosphates, naled is toxic to the nervous system. Symptoms of exposure include headaches, nausea, and diarrhea. Naled is more toxic when exposure occurs by breathing contaminated air than through other kinds of exposure. In laboratory tests, naled exposure caused increased aggressiveness and a deterioration of memory and learning.

Naled’s breakdown product DICHLORVOS (another organophosphate insecticide) interferes with prenatal brain development. In laboratory animals, exposure for just 3 days during pregnancy when the brain is growing quickly reduced brain size 15 percent.

DICHLORVOS also causes cancer, according to the International Agency for Research on Carcinogens. In laboratory tests, it caused leukemia and pancreatic cancer. Two independent studies have shown that children exposed to household “no-pest” strips containing dichlorvos have a higher incidence of brain cancer than unexposed children.

Aerial applications of naled can drift up to one-half mile. According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, naled is moderately to highly toxic to birds and fish. It also reduced egg production and hatching success in tests with birds and reduced growth in tests with juvenile fish. convulsions, paralysis, and death.

Breakdown Products

** Naled breaks down into dichlorvos **

DICHORVOS
another organophosphate insecticide, in animals and soil. THIS IS DANGEROUS!!!

Effects on Behavior

Exposure to naled has multiple effects on behavior. In a study conducted by naled’s manufacturer, naled caused reduced muscle strength, slow responses to stimulation, and reduced activity in rats.

These behavioral changes occurred at all but the lowest dose level tested in males and all dose levels tested in females, suggesting that females are more sensitive than males to naled poisoning.

Exposure to naled’s breakdown product dichlorvos causes increased aggression and impaired memory. The Indian biochemists mentioned above found that fighting aggression was increased about 5 times

Inert Ingredients

Like most pesticides, commercial naled-containing insecticides contain ingredients other than naled. Many of these ingredients, according to U.S. pesticide law, are called “inert.” Except for tests of acute effects, toxicology tests required for the registration of a pesticide are not conducted with the combination of ingredients found in commercial products.

Most inert ingredients are not identified on product labels, and little information about them is publicly available.

Symptoms of Exposure

Symptoms of exposure to naled and all organophosphate insecticides include headaches, muscle twitching, nausea, diarrhea, difficult breathing, naled kills insects by inhibiting acetylcholinesterase (AChE), an enzyme involved in the transmission of nerve impulses from one nerve cell to another. This causes a “jam” in the transmission system, resulting in restlessness,depression, seizures, and loss of consciousness.

Toxicity to the Nervous System

A symptom of exposure to naled that occurs at low doses (whether by breathing, through the skin, or orally) is inhibition of acetylcholinesterase (AChE).

In studies conducted by naled manufacturers, exposure of rats to naled in air at a dose of 0.3 milligrams per kilogram of body weight (mg/kg) per day for three weeks, skin exposures of 20 mg/kg per day for 4 weeks, and oral exposure of 10 mg/ kg per day for 4 weeks caused inhibition of AChE.

Long-term exposure also caused AChE inhibition; reduced AChE activity occurred in dogs exposed orally to 2 mg/kg per day for 1 year and in rats exposed orally to the same dose for 2 years.

In addition, the long-term study with dogs found that doses of 2 mg/kg per day also caused mineralization of the spinal cord.

Naled’s breakdown product dichlorvos inhibits the activity in rats of a nervous system enzyme called neuropathy target esterase.

In experiments conducted by biochemists at the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and Research (India), doses of 6 mg/kg per day reduced the enzyme’s activity by about 40 percent.

Inhibition of this enzyme causes partial paralysis of the hind legs followed by incoordination.

Toxicity Caused by Breathing Naled

Naled is more potent when exposure occurs through breathing than when exposure occurs through eating contaminated food or drinking contaminated water.

Toxicologists at the University of California found that inhalation was 20 times more toxic to rats than oral dosing (dosing through the mouth) of naled.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) came to a similar conclusion based on tests submitted to the agency by naled’s manufacturer: the dose required to cause cholinesterase inhibition through inhalation exposure was less than 1/6 of the lowest oral dose causing the same effect.

An additional study by the University of California researchers mentioned above found that small droplets of naled (the size produced by ultra low volume sprayers often used in mosquito spraying) were about four times more acutely toxic than larger droplets.

Dibrom Concentrate

(EPA Registration No. 5481-480) contains the inert ingredient aromatic hydrocarbon solvent (Chemical Abstract Services number 64742-94-5), also called solvent naphtha.

This solvent contains two aromatic hydrocarbons, naphthalene and 1,2,4- trimethylbenzene. Dibrom 8 Emulsive (EPA Registration No. 5481-479) contains naphthalene. Dibrom 8 Miscible (EPA Registration No. 34704-351) contains solvents4 whose ingredients can include naphthalene and trimethylbenzene.

Naphthalene has been classified by EPA as a possible human carcinogen because it caused lung tumors in mice following inhalation.

Naphthalene exposure also causes headaches, restlessness, lethargy, nausea, diarrhea, and anemia.

Anemia in newborns can be caused by exposure during pregnancy.
1,2,4-trimethylbenzene is irritating to eyes and skin. It can depress the central nervous system and cause headache, fatigue, nausea, and anxiety. It has also caused asthmatic bronchitis.

Exposure to Naled’s Breakdown Product Increases Aggressiveness and Disrupts Learning
In laboratory animals, exposure to naled’s breakdown product dichlorvos causes more frequent fighting and hinders learning. Number of fighting episodes (per minute, with standard deviations) ore common among exposed rats than among unexposed ones.

Exposed animals also required more trials than unexposed ones to learn an avoidance behavior, indicating a “severe deterioration in their memory and learning functions.”

Eye and Skin Irritation
Naled is a “severe” eye irritant and is “corrosive” to skin. All three frequently used commercial Dibrom products pose similar hazards.

Labels of two of the products warn “causes irreversible eye and skin damage and the third states that it is “corrosive” and “causes eye damage and skin damage.” Skin irritation was documented by physicians soon after naled’s use in the U.S. began.

Effects on the Circulatory System

In a long-term feeding study conducted by naled’s manufacturer, naled caused anemia in dogs at all but the lowest dose level tested. Exposures of 2 mg/kg per day reduced the number of red blood cells and the amount of hemoglobin (the oxygen-carrying pigment) in the blood.20

Effects on Reproduction

Dichlorvos, naled’s breakdown product, interferes with prenatal brain development.

Biologists at the University of Oslo found that dosing guinea pigs with 15 mg/kg of dichlorvos twice daily for three days during pregnancy caused a significant (15 percent) decrease in the offspring’s brain size.

The guinea pigs were dosed with dichlorvos between the 40th and 50th day of their pregnancy, a time when the fetal brain is undergoing a growth spurt.

In addition, University of Michigan researchers showed that naled exposure causes delays in the development of rat embryos. For example, exposure of pregnant rats on the ninth day of their pregnancy caused a significant delay in the closing of the embryo’s neural tube.

Naled and dichlorvos can be passed from mothers to their offspring through nursing. German researchers found both insecticides in milk from cows that had been treated with naled.

Ability to Cause Genetic Damage (Mutagenicity)
Naled damaged bacteria’s genetic material in laboratory tests conducted by geneticists at Monash University (Australia)24 as well as biologists at Texas Tech University.

Naled’s breakdown product DICHLORVOS also causes genetic damage.

A team of Greek and Dutch scientists found that injections of dichlorvos at weekly intervals in mice caused a 3-fold increase in the number of mutations in liver cells.

A team of geneticists from the National Research Centre (Egypt) found that oral doses of dichlorvos given to mice, or feeding mice diclorvos-treated beans, increased the incidence of chromosome abnormalities in both spleen and sperm cells.

Ability to Cause Cancer (Carcinogenicity)

EPA classifies naled as a “Group E” chemical. Group E chemicals have demonstrated “evidence of noncarcinogenicity” in laboratory tests.

Naled’s breakdown product DICHLORVOS however, is classified as “possibly carcinogenic to humans,” with “sufficient evidence in experimental animals” for its carcinogenicity by the International Agency for Research on Carcinogens. The agency gave dichlorvos this classification because it caused forestomach tumors, leukemia, and pancreatic tumors in laborators tests with rats and mice.

In children, exposure to dichlorvos has been linked with increased cancer risks. Researchers at the University of North Carolina found an association between exposure to dichlorvos “no-pest” strips during pregnancy or during childhood and the incidence of three types of childhood cancer: leukemias, brain tumors, and lymphoma.

Missouri Department of Health researchers found similar results for childhood brain cancer.

Effects on the Immune System

Both naled and its breakdown product DICHLORVOS inhibited an enzyme in white blood cells called monocyte esterase, according to a study conducted by researchers at the Technicon Science Center.

Monocyte esterases are an “integral component”33 of the process by which white blood cells eliminate virus-infected cells from our bodies and monitor for precancerous cells.

Synergy

A study submitted to EPA by Shell Chemical Co. showed that “the toxic effects of naled were potentiated by co-administration of Ciodrin, malathion, and methyl parathion. All three are insecticides in the organophosphate family.

Special Susceptibility

Malnourished individuals may be particularly susceptible to naled poisoning. Researchers from the Institute of Hygiene and Occupational Health (Bulgaria) studied naled’s effects on rats that were fed a low-protein diet and found that naled was almost twice as toxic to them as it was to rats fed a normal diet. In addition, the rats fed a low-protein diet developed liver damage from their naled exposure.

Contamination of Food

The U.S. Department of Agriculture documented contamination of strawberries, peppers, and beans with naled’s breakdown product dichlorvos.

Water Contamination

Insecticides in naled’s chemical family, the organophosphates, are com-Malnutrition Increases Naled’s Toxicity Naled inhibits the activity of an immune system enzyme. It is also more toxic to malnourished animals than animals fed a normal diet.

Median lethal dose

(milligrams per kilogram of body weight in rats) mon contaminants of urban streams and rivers. However, neither naled or its breakdown product dichlorvos were included in the national water quality monitoring program currently being conducted by the U.S. Geological Survey.

This means that no systematic information is available about naled contamination of U.S. streams, rivers, or wells.

EPA also does not have monitoring data for naled or its breakdown products in ground or surface water.

Air Contamination

Naled can persist in air up to several days after treatment. University of California, Davis toxicologists measured both naled and its breakdown product dichlorvos in the air around a naledtreated orange grove for three days after application.

Drift

Aerial applications of naled drift (move from the target site during application) for significant distances. Entomologists from the University of Florida measured naled contamination 750 meters (2400 feet) downwind from sprayed areas. They suggest that nospray buffer zones greater than 750 meters in width “be placed around ecologically sensitive areas.

Effects on Beneficial Insects
Because it is a broad spectrum insecticide, it is not surprising that naled impacts beneficial insects, those that provide important economic benefits to farmers. In a study submitted as part of naled’s registration process, naled was “highly toxic”42 to honey bees. Follow-up studies found that this toxicity decreased rapidly during the first day after treatment.42 Naled’s toxicity to other species of bees (alfalfa leafcutting bees and alkali bees) is more persistent than for honey bees.43 It can “mimic long residual [persistent] materials,” reducing leafcutting bee numbers 48 hours after treatment.

Parasitoid wasps (wasps that lay their eggs in juvenile stages of other insects, which then are killed as the wasps hatch and develop) can also be poisoned by low-level exposure to naled.

Naled (and Dichlorvos)Inhibit the Immune System
According to U.S. Department of Agriculture researchers, a wasp that parasitizes fruit flies was killed by a naled and protein bait mixture designed to kill fruit flies.

Naled is also highly toxic to a predatory mite.

A University of Florida zoologist studied areas in Florida where regular mosquito spraying occurred with Dibrom and another insecticide. He found a “major loss” in insect diversity in sprayed sites. Wasps showed “some of the most dramatic drops in species diversity.”47 Scale insects, whose populations are normally controlled by parasitic wasps, increased.

Effects on Birds

According to EPA, naled is moderately to highly toxic to birds. The most sensitive species tested by naled’s manufacturer during the registration process was the Canada goose, killed by 37 mg/kg of naled.

According to tests conducted by naled’s manufacturer, this insecticide also affects bird reproduction. Mallard ducks eating food treated with naled laid fewer eggs, produced fewer viable eggs, and hatched fewer ducklings than unexposed mallards.

Effects on Fish

According to EPA, naled is very highly toxic to lake trout; highly toxic to rainbow trout, cutthroat trout, and catfish; and moderately toxic to sunfish, minnow, and bass. The most sensitive species in tests submitted to EPA by naled’s manufacturer was lake trout, with an LC50 (median lethal concentration; the dose required to kill 50 percent of test animals) of 87 parts per billion (ppb). Naled also causes effects on fish other than death. In a test conducted by naled’s manufacturer, a concentration of 15 ppb impaired the growth of fathead minnows

Effects on Other Aquatic Animals

Ecologically important insects are killed by naled. According to a naled manufacturer, a concentration of 8 ppb kills stoneflies.50 Research conducted by the Arctic Health Research Center (Alaska) showed that water striders were killed 300 feet from a naled fogger.

Stoneflies are important nutrient cyclers in streams and water striders are scavengers and predators. Aquatic arthropods are also impacted by naled. Waterfleas are killed by less than 0.5 ppb of naled in tests conducted by naled’s manufacturer, and less than 0.2 ppb disrupts waterflea growth. Shrimp are killed by less than 10 ppb. According to EPA, naled is “very highly toxic” to oysters. Sea urchins are also sensitive to naled exposure. University of Miami researchers showed that concentrations of less than 4 ppb disrupt normal development of embryos.

Effects on Endangered Species

Evaluations by both EPA and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have concluded that use of naled puts endangered mammals, fish, mussels, and other species at risk. In addition, there is field evidence of naled’s hazards for endangered species.

Dibrom spraying (along with spraying of another insecticide) was “directly correlated with the precipitous decline in the Schaus Swallowtail populations on Key Largo [FL], according to a University of Florida zoologist. This swallowtail is listed as an endangered species under both Florida and federal law.

A University of Florida entomologist studying a different rare butterfly, the Florida lacewing, found higher populations in unsprayed areas than in sprayed areas. (See Figure 7.) He concluded that “it is likely that chemical applications play an important role in affecting the population size and behavior of these species.

Effects on Plants

Insecticides are typically not expected to damage plants. However, University of California researchers showed that naled treatment caused brown lesions in celery and bronzing of strawberries.The strawberry damage was accompanied by reduced photosynthesis (using sunlight to produce sugars) and closing of leaf openings (stomata).60 Brazilian researchers found that naled also “drastically reduced” tomato pollen germination. In aquatic plants, naled reduces photosynthesis. In laboratory tests, a naled concentration of 1 ppm reduced photosynthesis by estuary algae by over 50 percent.

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http://www.pesticide.org/naled.pdf
http://www.panna.org/
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    #817835 - 08/07/16 03:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I read that link, no need to fill the thread with massive chunks of copypasta.

And this is not verified information, its yet another biased assembly of claims from various anti-pesticide, anti-corporation, anti-go groups...with no real ties to any peer-reviewed studies to back it up. :shrug:

Sure, Naled is a neurotoxin at high doses in mammals. Water is also a neurotoxin in high doses. Sure, Naled causes cancer in high doses. Bacon and smoked red meats also causes cancer in high doses.

I could have sworn that your original videos were discussing Zika and the threat of the OX315A mosquitoes? Why are you now igoring that to continue to focus on an argument that, while terribly researched and nearly impossible based on the data, still aligns with my first statement towards chemical treatment of mosquitoes?

I care too, otherwise I wouldn't be arguing with you when it's so easy to just ignore you. But when faced with a flavivirus, with multiple aggressive vector species, making its way into a vast untapped population of closely-packed people, with a documented familial history of mutating into a high mortality hemorrhagic series of viral serotypes...I think it would be prudent to employ (carefully and according to instructions) mosquito adulticides that have a documented history of ZERO acute or chronic effects at the concentrations necessary to control mosquito populations.

If you really think Naled is so bad, then why are you against the GM mosquitoes, especially now that I've explained to you why the OX315a gene is not a threat to anything but the mosquito population?

Also, I'm still waiting for some real references on all non-insecticide topics brought up in your videos. :pipesmoke:


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817836 - 08/07/16 04:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dude you just babble pointless stuff, make it sound good, and most people reading it are too dumb to realize maybe you're full of shit.
It's pretty funny tbh. You're good at it, i'll give you that.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls] * 1
    #817839 - 08/07/16 09:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

And yet you can't formulate even the faintest of logical argument to prove your claim that I'm full of shit. If it's so obvious to you, then maybe you should explain how my posts are wrong, or why the information I present is pointless.

Tbh, I really don't expect you to, since you've repeatedly failed to formulate any sort of logical argument or real reference supporting your initial claims from the OP. Instead, I fully expect you to continue making insults and un-supported claims regarding the relevance or validity of anything I say. You really are quite good at doing that.

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    #817840 - 08/07/16 10:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Blahblahblahblah.

I'm right, you're wrong. Forever.


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    #817841 - 08/07/16 10:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Delusion much bro?


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    #817844 - 08/07/16 11:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ninjapls said:
Dude you just babble pointless stuff, make it sound good, and most people reading it are too dumb to realize maybe you're full of shit.
It's pretty funny tbh. You're good at it, i'll give you that.



Wow bro, hope you're not a salesman irl.
Anyone with an education can see you're full of shit, and know little to nothing about this subject line.
It was a nice troll while it lasted, you were pretty good at it for a bit.
I'll give ya that.

There's no need for name calling or getting all mad.
Because an educated man owned you in your own thread.
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    #817849 - 08/07/16 11:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

agmotes165 said:
The links you posted regarding Naled seems to support what I've said regarding chemical control.

However, according to the MSDS for Naled, the acute LD50 dose in rats is ~300mg/Kg, and chronic effects are only seen in test subjects exposed to 28mg/Kg for 9+ weeks. The recommended application instructions call for 0.1 lbs of naled per acre of land sprayed. Not only that, but the solubility in water is <1mg/L, and the maximum half-life of Naled in water is 2 days. Knowing this, a normal 70Kg male would have to literally eat all surface vegetation, and all surface soil of 462 acres of sprayed soil within a few hours in order to possibly (50% chance) die from exposure, and 43.12 acres every few hours for at least 9 weeks in order to see any chronic ill effects. For water consumption, this works out to an average male having to drink 5,547 gallons of water within a few hours to possibly die from exposure, and 518 gallons of water every few hours for 9 weeks in order to experience chronic effects.




You're the one cherry picking information for whatever your agenda is right here, perfect example.
Why are you babbling about the ORAL LD50 of Naled, when the real issue is about the INHALED LD50, which is less than half of the oral LD50 for mice at 156mg/kg. Huge difference.

The links i provided have tons of peer reviewed studies from many different colleges, you can research all the claims further and see for yourself.

It's obvious you just want to dominate this thread for your own agenda, which is making yourself look like an expert when you're not. Very deceptive.
And people just eat it up without questioning you and that's a major ego stroke for you.
But i see right through it.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817852 - 08/07/16 12:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

My apologies, I definitely goofed on that. :shrug:

Let's assume that you are correct about the inhaled LD50 (I'm not going to validate this figure, as I'm out and about right now).

An average male (70Kg), would have to instantaneously inhale the entire spray of more than 240 acres of land, before the aerosol hit the ground, in order to have a chance of dying from exposure. If we assume that the chronic effects are the same, then that same male would have to inhale all of the spray from at least 20 acres of treated land every day for 9 weeks, assuming that the same application is of Naled is applied daily to the area around that person.

I just assumed it was impractical to assume that someone could run around and suck up all of the air on 20 or 240 acres of land before it all settled out...but then again it would be impracticle to assume that anyone could eat all of the surface material from twice that amount of land, or drink 5500 gallons of water in a few hours, so I see your point.

Thanks for the correction. :highfive:


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    #817862 - 08/07/16 11:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're pulling those figures straight out yo ass bro.:facepalm:

And you're welcome.


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    #817868 - 08/08/16 02:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thats a solid counter-argument you've got there, but perhaps you could offer something within the realm of real information, or at least attempt at incorporating basic logic into your replies, since it appears that you are the only one here who thinks you are correct. :shrug:

Or have we simply abandoned all attempts at civilized debate, and resorted instead to responding to each other with insults that require progressively less neural activity to formulate? I find that repetitive and boring, to be perfectly honest. :rolleyes:

If you are getting tired and grumpy, I'm fine with holding off on this thread for a day or two in order to allow you to recharge your mental faculties (and perhaps do a little more research). We can resume discussion whenever you feel you are properly rested and prepared.

Otherwise, I'm done tolerating your terribly prepared responses, and your sustained ignorance in the face of my attempts to spoon-feed you a relatively simple logical argument. If you feel as though I'm incorrect, you should explain why I'm incorrect, and perhaps elaborate with a logical counter-argument that proves your claim. :doublefacepalm:

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    #817871 - 08/08/16 04:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I got a life man, i'm not here to write you love letters.
You haven't been able to provide a single source for all the bs you've been spouting.
Anyone capable of thinking for themselves can see how full of yourself you are.:lol:


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    #817873 - 08/08/16 06:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Again, I'm speaking for the scientific majority. The minute you provide good sources to back up your OP, I'll draft up the long list of peer-reviewed materials that I used to come up with my responses.

But like you mentioned, I too have a life, and while I really enjoy doing the research and crushing your poorly-constructed arguments...I don't have the time to draft up a bibliography for a series of online forum responses unless the OP (the one who's claims are contrary to the scientific concensus) is serious enough to provide their list of sources.

I'd like to point out that this is at least the 4th time I've called you out on ignoring my request for sources. It's plain for anyone to see that you are a conspiracy troll.

And most who have been around this forum for more than a few months can see who's conspiracy-supporting, troll of a puppet you are. The mannerisms are identical, although I think the number of neurons has dropped signifcantly since the last time we saw you :shrug:


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817881 - 08/08/16 10:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

You're going to make a great dad someday, agmotes.


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    #817882 - 08/08/16 10:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

ninjapls' ride to work --> :failboat:


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    #817883 - 08/08/16 10:34 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks :highfive:

I'd like to hold off on having kids until I've moved out to Denver or elsewhere in colorado. Know of any engineering jobs out there where you could recommend me to the hiring manager, by any chance? :dumblol:


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    #817897 - 08/08/16 10:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Again, I'm speaking for the scientific majority. The minute you provide good sources to back up your OP, I'll draft up the long list of peer-reviewed materials that I used to come up with my responses.

But like you mentioned, I too have a life, and while I really enjoy doing the research and crushing your poorly-constructed arguments...I don't have the time to draft up a bibliography for a series of online forum responses unless the OP (the one who's claims are contrary to the scientific concensus) is serious enough to provide their list of sources.

I'd like to point out that this is at least the 4th time I've called you out on ignoring my request for sources. It's plain for anyone to see that you are a conspiracy troll.

And most who have been around this forum for more than a few months can see who's conspiracy-supporting, troll of a puppet you are. The mannerisms are identical, although I think the number of neurons has dropped signifcantly since the last time we saw you :shrug:



Lol you're speaking for the scientific majority? That's the biggest load of crap i've heard from you yet.

I've already provided sources,which is why i'm ignoring your requests for more. You haven't provided shit, which only supports my claim that you're just making shit up.

I've already pointed out how you're the one cherry picking information and you agreed that you were.
That throws your credibilty completely out the window.
Unless you show your sources that back up your claims.
Why is it so hard for you to copy and paste a few links?:lol:


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    #817901 - 08/09/16 03:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

We've already discussed this.

You provided links specifically regarding the use of chemicals to control the mosquito population, which i have already said is probably a really bad idea (even thoigh I commented on the over-blown claims that you and your non peer-reviewed links provided, I agreed that we probably should try avoiding chemical mosquito control).

Your 1st video focused primarily on the alleged risk (or lack thereof) of the zika virus, the unholiness of OX315A GM mosquitoes being released into the wild, and the alleged risk of said mosquitoes surviving the mating cycle and the offspring transferring the unholy genetic material to other animals in the surrounding ecosystem (particularly humans). There was a brief mention of the spectacular toxicity and suggested link to microencephaly (which I question, because actual research beyond biased news sources gives conflicting data on this), but the whole topic of chemical control was such a small portion of the video that I didn't even comment on it in my first post.

So, as I've said repeatedly, whenever you provide a list of sources that backs up all of the claims of the video (and I do mean all, not just links to "I hate pesticides club" fact sheets and conspiracy news articles on Naled and pyriproxyfen), then I'll draft up my list of links.

But if you continue to troll and blatantly ignore my requests, then we'll be forced to end our "debate", if you even want to call it that (does it count as a debate if one side just yells and throws feces like a chimpanzee?) :shrug:


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    #817902 - 08/09/16 03:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hah i'm a chimp throwing feces now?

Maybe you're a piece of shit shill.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/dispelling-internet-disinformation-tactics-debunking-the-debunkers/

Dispelling Internet Disinformation Tactics – Debunking the Debunkers

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By Rebel Siren –  January 22, 2014

Internet TROLLS, also known as paid “forum posters”, “internet bloggers,” or if we call them what they really are, SHILLS, are increasingly being employed by private corporations and contracted agencies, sometimes for marketing purposes, but mostly to distract from the truth and prevent public outcry about dangerous programs such as geoengineering, genetically modified foods, and any issue where profiteers put their bottom line and lust for control over the destruction of the planet and at the expense of our health.  Trolls are employees that answered a work at home job ad on craigslist or some other venue.


The geoengineering trolls, specifically, are employed by the two main disinformation sites, metaxxxx and contrailxxxxxxx, both run by a gaming programmer.

He and his band of hired internet trolls lack expertise in science, meteorology or any other field related to geoengineering, yet claim to be experts in atmospheric science, and fancy themselves “debunkers”.  Shillidiocy is a term that best describes the rapidly growing industry of people ready and willing to sell out humanity for a few pennies per comment. Disinformation has been used throughout history for political purposes and these strategies are being utilized today by these paid internet trolls.

1 – CHARACTER ASSASSINATION

(Psychological Warfare – discredit, distract, intimidate, frustrate, divide & conquer) – Disinformation shills often make outrageous comments for the sole purpose of deflecting focus from the truth to distract us by creating a “controversial debate” where none truly exists.  Often, trolls use the “Trojan Horse” method to attempt to elicit an emotional response from people online, to evoke hostility with the intent of twisting it around to make the person look volatile, a classic “character assassination” tactic to discredit them, making them appear weak. On some occasions, they intentionally keep pushing a person into a heated argument, and will go so far as to “report” the person as being a “threat” to try to get them kicked off of the forum. Another major character assassination tactic is to highlight any negative or perceived flaw of an otherwise reputable person, whether true or false, to intentionally discredit them in an attempt to invalidate their viewpoint and make them seem baseless, to detract focus from the information they are sharing.  The trolls often “make stuff up” if they can’t find anything real to highlight for this goal, after all, shills are paid liars. Another trick these liars are taught is to use semantics to twist people’s words around and make it seem as though they’ve lied, to discredit them. These are all character assassination tactics that you will easily recognize happening all over the internet once you become familiar with them.

2 – DEMANDING IMPOSSIBLE PROOF

Disinformation shills sometimes pose as a supporter of the truth, or “friendly folks on the fence” politely asking simple questions, in a sly attempt to later discredit the movement. Often trolls posing as friendly allies will resort to posting long, incoherent diatribes (usually on fake blogs & articles) for the purpose of associating the movement with insanity; or other times to act as a “the voice of reason” and create a debate (where none exists) to make it appear as though the data isn’t strong enough, and they offer to play “devil’s advocate” to “help the movement”, then render any and all data as invalid regardless of how legitimate the source. They will “demand proof” then ignore it when it’s presented, or continue to demand impossible proofs. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, they will deem the material irrelevant and demand unattainable proof that is virtually impossible for the opponent to retrieve; for the purpose of detracting focus from the mounds of legitimate data available for those of us that take the time to do some real research beyond the disinformation site links.

3 – DOMINATE THE THREAD

Trolls often interject themselves into productive web discussions in order to make themselves appear credible as though they have a “real” argument, where none actually exists. Their job is to create controversy and instigate a “debate”. They scour the net and attack awareness videos, articles, blogs, public facebook pages, etc., posting links from metaxxxx or conxxxxxscience, but fail to post legitimate links with verifiable references. They relentlessly keep commenting on a thread to dominate the discussion with the intent to keep their comments at the very top.  They also vote their comments up and everyone else’s comments down, (if the forum offers that feature). This is evident when you become familiar with their methods. I have yet to see a disinformation shill post a reputable link, or ANY link, other than from those two disinformation sites. In addition, they adamantly refuse to look at real data. They intentionally divert attention from credible documentation, dismissing it without examination. They regurgitate the same tired harassing insults, and repetitive generic jargon about how water vapor condensation trails are formed, which has nothing to do with the persistent, spreading, lingering trails we often see covering the sky that is being done as “scientific research”, the prelude to fully implementing global geoengineering programs.

4 – PRE-WRITTEN SCRIPTED RESPONSES (cut & paste comments)

Trolls are supplied with a list or database with preplanned talking points and a format designed as generalized and deceptive responses to honest arguments. Geoengineering (chemtrails) “debunker” trolls are notorious for this, and note they never actually “debunk” anything. All they do is deflect from the truth to try to cast doubt and keep the denial tactic going so the profiteers of geoengineering can continue to suppress public outcry in order to keep spraying us without us balking and rising up to stop them. If you pay close attention and track the trolls, you will see that they often post the same comments over and over on many different threads.

5 – FALSE ASSOCIATION

This works hand in hand with #1 (character assassination), and the “Trojan Horse” troll. The goal is to sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule, engaging them in a hostile argument to try to discredit them, also known as the “attack the messenger” ploy. The goal of “false association” is to associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “paranoid conspiracy theorist” to make them look crazy and try to discredit them, or call them derogatory names such as “chemtard”, “ignorant”, or “liar”, attempting to invalidate anything they say regardless of how true it is.  The trolls seek to deliberately associate the movement with far fetched concepts like “Big Foot”, aliens, false flag conspiracy theories, etc., because of the inherent negative connotations, (tying in with “character assassination”). The ultimate goal is to provoke argument, create biases, and dissuade people from objectively examining any evidence presented.

6 – FALSE MODERATION

Pretending to be the “voice of reason” in an argument with obvious and defined sides in an attempt to move people away from what is clearly true, into the murky waters of “doubt” where the truth becomes “relative.”  And if that doesn’t work they will antagonize and goad opponents with insults, name calling, and bullying. If they can’t do anything else, they will chide and taunt their opponents and draw them into emotional responses with the goal of making them look foolish or mentally unbalanced, in hopes of rendering their point invalid merely by shifting focus to show how “sensitive they are to criticism”, in an attempt to deflect from their point and invalidate any data they are presenting.  This is why it’s best to ignore their taunting.

7 – STRAW MAN and “AD HOMINEM” ARGUMENTS

A very common technique is that the troll will accuse his opposition of subscribing to a certain point of view, even if he does not, will make it appear so, then attack that point of view (Straw Man). Or, the troll will put words in the mouth of his opposition, and then rebut those specific words.  He will use conjecture, ridicule, and accusation to try and prove himself as valid while discrediting others with absolutely nothing, shouting “you have no argument, that is just ad hominem”, which is ironically, exactly what he is doing. The troll is trained to appear confident, unwavering, and that he is undoubtedly right, when in reality, it’s the exact opposite. Basically, he is a paid liar and his goal is to create doubt and discredit the truth.

8 – POSING LEADING QUESTIONS and “PLAYING NICE”

When the internet shill realizes people are aware of his tactics, he will try to play nice, act innocent, and pose a seemingly “harmless” leading question.

William01702, used tactic #s 6, 8, and 2 to troll the video (link below) of the courageous Kristen Meghan, who stands strong to do what is right in the face of adversity to warn people about geoengineering and the disinformation sites. If you watch the video and listen to her, it is clear what is happening with the rampant disinformation in our mainstream; PAID shills are ready and willing to contribute to the demise of our world, and sell out their humanity to perpetuate lies for a measly buck. The shill “Hama Neggs” also trolled it with some derogatory comments about Kristen Meghan using #1 (character assassination).  These troll’s comments may, or may not, get deleted by the page moderator; but if they remain, notice the date and how quickly they found it. It’s their job to scour the net and attack, so in time, even if theirs get deleted, more paid trolls will appear.  If you check other awareness videos, you’ll see the same usernames in action repetitively.  Save LI Forum – 09 - Kristen Meghan – Geo-engineering

The following bold, italic quotes are actual troll comments made by username William01702 who is known to routinely attack youtube geoengineering awareness videos.

William01702 (troll):

“Could you please tell me what “disinformation” you have found on Metabunk or contrailscience? I mean, you claim the information isn’t factual, and then provide no evidence to support such a claim. Why?”… “It really is a legitimate question which deserves an answer. Despite what paranoid liars like GalileoGalileisGhost say.”
(If William01702 was just a random viewer, why would he care whether those sites have been exposed as disinformation, and “demand proof”, unless he IS an associate (a paid shill)? The answer becomes evident if you notice how he followed with the classic “false association” & “Trojan Horse” tactic to disparage shill buster, GalileoGalileisGhost. Would a random user that’s not associated with those disinformation sites have cause to do this)?

William01702 – on a different thread: (note the contrast when confronted for his shill activity):

“ I’m not a troll I’m just someone who is better educated in atmospheric science and aviation than all chemtards, combined.”
(notice his derogatory use of the word “CHEMTARDS” a classic Trojan Horse move).

William01702:

“Chemtards couldn’t be more stupid if they wanted to be. You people are evil alarmists who spread fear, hate, and ignorance based on a lack of education. I pity the chemtards!”
(does that sound like someone educated in atmospheric sciences or anything else for that matter)?

William01702 wrote this on an entirely different thread:

“Oh really and where do they say that THIS trail has ANYTHING to do with what they have “admitted to”. NO WHERE! It’s hilarious that you people read about some basic testing and then assume everything you see in the sky must be related to such testing. Chemtards are idiots! Oh, and BTW show me where anyone has admitted to any such thing! If you say HR2977 you’re a fucking moron!”

William01702 wrote this on yet another thread (verbatim, spelling errors & all):

“Tat should have read “because you are too stupid and lazy to understand basic fucking science”. But, does it matter?! Will it change anything?! No, you will always assume that just because you hate/fear the government that it must mean that you and your chemtard friends must be right about the trails in the sky. Nevermind the fact that you have never actually studed these subjects! You have visited conspiracy sites! You know it all real pilots are just STUPID for going to school for years!”

William01702 on yet another thread:

“Poor chemtards unable to understand he difference between an intentional nefarious release of chemicals and business as usual”.

William01702 and yet another thread:

“Why do you people pretend to understand that minor differences in temperature, engine power settings, engine types, and engine size can result in differences in trails, when its obvious that you are all fucking clueless!!! This video isn’t evidence of anything more than the ignorance of chemtards”!

William01702 on a video about chemical fallout from geoengineering (notice the pattern from the previous comments):

“Yup, I’m sure that she is a moron. And so are you. There is ZERO evidence that this “affliction” has ANYTHING to do with the trails in the sky. NONE! It’s nothing more than paranoid fantasy made up by those who like to pick at their skin. And you are right, she IS just one moron in a line of many. By the way accepting ignorant bullshit from OTHER paranoid losers on the internet is NOT “research”.”

William01702 wrote these comments on various videos as well:

“Stupid chemtards”, “Idiot”, “Moron”, AND “that is technology that is not only public knowledge, but is highly regulated. It also has nothing to do with any trails in the sky. That’s the problem with you people. You are completely ignorant but are too stupid to know it”!

Compare the subsequent comments with the name calling & insults, to the first one that was on a video where his disinformation sites were brought to light and notice how he tried to recover by looking innocent & friendly despite his hostility and antagonistic comments on other awareness videos.

Who are these trolls that have time to sit around and make comments on youtube all day and night, and WHY target awareness videos? The answer is clear, they are SHILLS. I took photos of the comment pages in the likely event that this loathsome user attempts to attack this blog and denies ever making those comments. So, unless he deletes all of his comments from all the youtube awareness videos he has attacked, and closes his account, (let’s hope he does), you can plainly see his existing comments (and more) on youtube by checking his page activity or tracking him on awareness videos. Just remember not to let the trolls bait you. They get PAID to antagonize you and LURE you to those disinformation sites.

It is apparent that some of these shills share usernames and have round the clock shifts because no one is online that often to target that many awareness videos without backup. William01702 is joined by known shills such as Hama Neggs (a particularly loathsome troll), Lizoir, Terry Ram,  Nwoflyer, epsilon892, Niglet Gook,  Belfrey1,  Jazzaconda,Baba Loo, MrFubar75, and several other usernames that have been identified as paid shills/trolls, all utilizing the same tactics and associated with the two known disinformation sites, employed by gaming programmer, the grand daddy of them all, Mick We$t, (or at least that’s the name he “goes by”). Their format is always the same and they often attack in teams to “back each other up”.  Anyone that does a little digging will find these same usernames frequently darkening awareness videos all over youtube, regurgitating insults, performing their usual antagonistic, tactical routine, and attempting to lure people over to their disinformation sites because they get compensated for it.

Less frequently, you’ll see these strategies mimicked by average people in the mainstream that have willfully succumbed to cognitive dissonance and easily fallen prey to the disinformation tactics that have been used on them. They seem happy to regurgitate the lies they have been told and are content to post links only from those disinformation sites, while refusing to look at any other credible data presented to them. It’s like a mass Stockholm Syndrome in which their limited intellects are easily held hostage by their disinformation captors, and they’ve fallen “in love” with Mick We$t and his band of marauding minions. These victims of mass brainwashing also exhibit the common trait among trolls, of refusing to examine credible, verifiable, REAL data (such as several scholarly documents that can be found through this link:http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=geoengineering+modeling+studies&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=e-q_UcHDCMjPiwLk4YEY&ved=0CC0QgQMwAA).

Sadly, people’s refusal to examine any data beyond the disinformation sites, means success for the disinformation campaign.  Getting the public to do their bidding, not only meets the goal of “divide and conquer” in the battle to pit us against each other, it keeps us distracted, engaged in their fictitious debate, and prevents us from focusing on the fact that heavy metals such as aluminum, barium, and strontium, and other toxic chemicals such as sulphuric acid, and silver iodide, are being sprayed into our air supply globally for the purpose of Weather Modification and Climate Engineering.  In this war on awareness, the truth becomes irrelevant, and the sleepwalkers, happy to remain blissfully ignorant, are proud to belong to the band of trolls that have, ironically, convinced them that we are the “ignorant” ones, and that they are the geniuses that have all the answers.

The telltale difference between mass cognitive dissonance and a paid internet troll, is that the trolls usually have obscure usernames, no profile pic (or a generic one) and if you track their previous comments on other threads, you will see that they have attacked using the same format over and over; in addition to attempting to lure people to the disinformation sites, where they get compensated to engage them in a futile “debate”, waste people’s time and distract them from spending time increasing awareness in their local community, and doing REAL research ongeoengineering.

Don’t let the trolls cause you to feel stupid for considering that geoengineering may be a reality and suppress your awareness.  Keep watching the sky and research information beyond the fixed mainstream search engines. Watch the documentaries, Look Up! and What in the World are They Spraying?, take notes and look up the information presented. The TRUTH is there for anyone that is intelligent enough to look past the deceit & lies.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817907 - 08/09/16 07:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, yes, we've all seen this, it's funny that it always seems like conspiracy nuts only post this when their argument falls apart. :pipesmoke:

And I've been called several names by you up until this point. Don't try to act like you haven't been calling me a liar, and a shill, and full of myself. :rolleyes:

And look back at all you've posted, and not one bit of it are references to support your OP, beyond the few crummy posts about chemical control, which I've already covered ad nauseum.

I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that you cannot back up the claims of the video you posted. You haven't spoken about the original topic in several posts, but rather have shifted focus to me and my choice of words.

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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817913 - 08/09/16 10:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Everything ive posted supports my OP, the very first thing the girl talks about is naled.
Obviously you're only paying attention to yourself.
You've been trying your hardest to divert all the attention in this thread to your bs like it's your job.
Again, why is it so hard for you to copy and paste YOUR sources?
Oh that's right, because you're pulling everything straight out of your ass.


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    #817914 - 08/09/16 10:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So the zika wasnt created by isis?


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    #817919 - 08/09/16 02:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Tell ya what, since you posted your links for chemical control of mosquitoes, I'll post only my links related to chemical control.

Instructions for application of Dibrom  (87.4% Naled)
Please direct your attention to ULV aerial spray. It looks like the actual rate of application is even less than 0.1lbs per acre, which further proves my "pointless numbers that I pulled out of my ass" as you so creatively called them.

Study on the uring content of Naled in humans pre and post spray in areas of Florida where Naled applatoon is common.
Please direct your attention towards the bottom of the abstract, in which the conclusions of the study are stated.

Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Naled in the form of Dibrom
This provides basic information on LD50 doses, chronic doses of concern, potential carcinogenic activity, water solubiluty, and lifespan of active compounds in water, soil, etc.

World Health Organization (WHO) summary of findings on pyriproxyfen in drinking water

This establishes the acute and chronic doses of concern for pyriproxyfen, and its potential for carcinogenic activity and reproductive harm.

Study on the efficacy of pyriproxyfen on development of mosquito larvae
Establishes the LC90 dose for pyriproxyfen in drinking water at 0.61 nanograms per liter of water (2.3 ng/gal), which is less than. 1/3000th of the recommended dose that I quoted.

Let me know if I missed anything regarding our discussions on chemical control. If you are having trouble with the math I used, I'll be glad to give you a quick review of basic math.

And as I've said before, I'll be glad to provide the rest of my sources the minute you provide yours.


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    #817920 - 08/09/16 02:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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So the zika wasnt created by isis?




That sounds like it's own thread right there :bobmarley:


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817922 - 08/09/16 03:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, just as i thought, your sources are nothing more but the manufacturer's RECOMMENDED use of product, not how much is actually used, and biased studies done by corrupt institutions.
Garbage.

Some independent studies and experiments would be ideal.
Got any?

All you've provided is corporate bullshit.
Have you ever even worked for a corporation?
Do you have any idea how full of shit they are?

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/08/local/me-amvac8
read all 5 pages.


This is like a Phillip K. Dick novel.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817923 - 08/09/16 04:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's funny that you automatically discredit my sources, and yet consider yours somehow more credible, and then call for some sort of ideal, completely independent data or real-time testing of chemical application in a specific setting, which you and I both know is impossible to find. You are now the one who is falling under your own description of a disinformationist, specifically under poit #2 of your long-winded copypasta.

It's also funny that you continue to attack my character by suggesting that I'm a shill. So it is OK for you to be very passionate about your threads that directly contradict the consensus of the scientific community, and attack anyone who comments with a different view, almost like your livelihood depends on it....but when another person who is equally passionate about the same subject matter comments with a differing viewpoint, then they are automatically labeled as a paid shill?

Now I see why your ability to build a solid logical debate is terrible. :rolleyes: This us a classic diversionary tactic for someone who has run out of useful things to say in a debate.

Still waiting on the rest of your sources btw.


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    #817924 - 08/09/16 05:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You put us instead of is, which completely invalidates your argument, you stupid shill.

P.S. This is the part where you say 'Agmotes out' and drop the mic.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817926 - 08/09/16 05:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Why are you supporting AMVAC and their practices on the population?

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/AMVAC-Chemical-Reviews-E360866.htm

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Jul 1, 2015
"Bad Pay, Worse Management"
StarStarStarStarStar
Current Employee - Assistant Operator in Los Angeles, CA
Doesn't Recommend
Negative Outlook
CEO
I have been working at AMVAC Chemical full-time (More than 3 years)
Pros
There is absolutely nothing good about working for this horrific company. I honestly can't think of one good thing to say.
Cons
Horrific, incompetent management. They treat you like garbage. The pay is so far below the industry standard, its pathetic. The company violates every labor law, environmental law, you name it.
Advice to Management
Upper management must REPLACE every one there from Department Supervisors on up. And a couple of the incompetent Red Hats in the Technical Department.





And btw i only called you a shill once.
So idk why you say i'm "continuing to attack your character" when i'm clearly not. You've lost it man.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: ninjapls]
    #817927 - 08/09/16 05:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Lol the msds is a pretty standard document, the results will be the same no matter which company you look at. The data stated is taken from other sources, rather than being tested/generated by the company itself. Do you have any direct experience with reading msds's? If so, you would know this.

The only reason I cited this particular company's msds is because they were one of the first search result.

But wow man, trying to link a glassdoor review on a company to inaccurate msds info...you really must be desperate to try and distract from the rest of those sources that you have yet to provide.


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Re: Like, how scared should we be of zika?? [Re: Data]
    #817928 - 08/09/16 06:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

MSDS are full of shit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_data_sheet
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United States Edit
In the U.S., the Occupational Safety and Health Administration requires that SDSs be available to employees for potentially harmful substances handled in the workplace under the Hazard Communication regulation. The SDS is also required to be made available to local fire departments and local and state emergency planning officials under Section 311 of the Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act. The American Chemical Society defines Chemical Abstracts Service Registry Numbers (CAS numbers) which provide a unique number for each chemical and are also used internationally in SDSs.

Reviews of material safety data sheets by the U.S. Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board have detected dangerous deficiencies.

The board’s Combustible Dust Hazard Study analyzed 140 data sheets of substances capable of producing combustible dusts.[22] None of the SDSs contained all the information the board said was needed to work with the material safely, and 41 percent failed to even mention that the substance was combustible.

As part of its study of an explosion and fire that destroyed the Barton Solvents facility in Valley Center, Kansas, in 2007, the safety board reviewed 62 material safety data sheets for commonly used nonconductive flammable liquids. As in the combustible dust study, the board found all the data sheets inadequate.[23]

In 2012, the US adopted the 16 section Safety Data Sheet to replace Material Safety Data Sheets. This became effective on December 1, 2013. These new Safety Data Sheets comply with the Globally Harmonized System of Classification and Labeling of Chemicals (GHS). By June 1, 2015, employers are required to have their workplace labeling and hazard communication programs updated as necessary – including all MSDS's replaced with SDS-formatted documents.[24]




Why are you supporting AMVAC and their practices on the population?


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    #817931 - 08/09/16 06:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Ax me a question and you shall receive the answer, even if said answer is steeped in my bullshit. 





Your own bio agrees with me, bro.:rofl:


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    #817935 - 08/09/16 09:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Lol now you're citing wikipedia and blatently attacking my character? You really must be desperate to distract from the fact that you can't support the rest of the debate topics. :rolleyes:

You've officially gone full troll. If you want to actually debate a topic with real discussion, then HMU. But if you can't do any better than the nit-picking and name-calling that you've been up to for the past page or so of this thread, then this is where our conversation comes to an end.

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    #817937 - 08/09/16 09:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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    #817939 - 08/09/16 10:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder who will be the first to name their child Zika...

I already know of a sandy hook... Sandy hook taniko.


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    #817945 - 08/09/16 10:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You've been attacking my character this entire time from the very first post you've made, assuming i'm "semi-intelligent" eventually saying i'm like a "chimp throwing feces."

You wouldn't be saying shit like that if you didn't feel threatened.
Threatened by the fact that i'm right and you do nothing but spread lies "steeped in your bullshit."

Now answer my question, why the hell are you supporting AMVAC?
Only someone completely ignorant or a paid shill would support such a company.


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    #817970 - 08/10/16 08:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Simmer down, little ninja.


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    #817972 - 08/10/16 08:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Now answer my question, why the hell are you supporting AMVAC?
Only someone completely ignorant or a paid shill would support such a company.




Maybe their product is better built than hoover...


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