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general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow
    #806657 - 02/25/16 10:29 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

be making my switch up right away .remember your dollar is your vote! so saddened by this spread the word.

http://bigbudsmag.com/scotts-miracle-gro-buys-general-hydroponics-marijuana-growers/


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806670 - 02/25/16 02:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the news.


Fuuuuuuuuuk !!!

Back to Fox Farm till I find another powder nutrient.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806675 - 02/25/16 05:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Shit Mag i have been using this for a long time.
https://www.google.com/#q=maxi+grow+and+bloom&tbm=shop&spd=13045499090622701263

So what? this stuff is no good anymore?:fatfear:


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #806676 - 02/25/16 06:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

No, it's still good in fact I'm currently using it now also but they got bought out by Scotts who not only make Miracle Gro but they are a very anti medical marijuana company. I'm also expecting that the quality standards are gonna go down if they haven't already considering it's been nearly a year since they got bought out.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806684 - 02/25/16 07:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806686 - 02/25/16 07:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I should stock up on it before it gets real shitty huh?:wellidunno:

That sucks I really like how easy and its only two parts.  Like some lines There are like six bottles lol.
I think its just snake oil. I cant say never tested everything lol


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #806692 - 02/25/16 09:40 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

think ill try remo ,its the same idea with the grow micro bloom. better price then GH to and has similar mix ratios !


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806697 - 02/25/16 10:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Remo is cool as fuck


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: drawde]
    #806699 - 02/25/16 10:58 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

ya he,s pretty involved here in canada ,cool dude for sure .


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #806708 - 02/26/16 01:20 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe I should stock up on it before it gets real shitty huh?:wellidunno:

That sucks I really like how easy and its only two parts.  Like some lines There are like six bottles lol.
I think its just snake oil. I cant say never tested everything lol




I may just buy all 16 lb buckets I can get my hands on that don't have scotts on them. Made before the deal so to say. I found one other powder from a good company that works exactly like Maxi but it's like 4 times as much from the company Supernatural.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806712 - 02/26/16 07:28 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Scotts Miracle-Gro is a slimey company to say the least

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On January 27, 2012, Scotts Miracle-Gro agreed to plead guilty in federal court and pay $4.5 million in fines for selling 73 million units of bird seed from November 2005 to March 2008 that was coated with pesticide known to be deadly to birds and fish. Pesticides were added to protect the product from insects during storage, notwithstanding that Storcide II, one of the pesticides used, was clearly marked as extremely toxic to birds. Records show that its own experts warned of the risk in the summer and fall of 2007 and yet Scotts continued to sell the deadly product until March 2008. In 2008, Scotts Miracle-Gro also falsified pesticide registration numbers required by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on its products.




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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806717 - 02/26/16 09:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

yo mag whats up with only using powdered nutrients ?

NPK Industries has a powder line btw!


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: drawde]
    #806718 - 02/26/16 09:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

ya thats fkn slimy id say


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806720 - 02/26/16 09:33 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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yo mag whats up with only using powdered nutrients ?

NPK Industries has a powder line btw!





LOL Who the hell wants to buy bottled water?


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #806722 - 02/26/16 09:44 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

more bang for your buck or what ?cant be that bad no?


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806723 - 02/26/16 09:57 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Yea you get more and you can make the ratio they way you like.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806725 - 02/26/16 01:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I used their Flora Nova line. Always did better with Fox Farm anyway but I liked the 1 part solution for my laziness.

I like House and Garden for coco but fuck me is it ever expensive. I can't argue that it doesn't grow fantastic buds though.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806738 - 02/26/16 06:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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yo mag whats up with only using powdered nutrients ?





Shelf life for starters.
Far less mess as well.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806741 - 02/26/16 06:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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yo mag whats up with only using powdered nutrients ?

NPK Industries has a powder line btw!





I buy in bulk cause I have several gardens. After a period of time liquid nutrients go bad one way to tell is when you shake the bottle it sounds like there is sand in em. Powder stores for as long as you want to store it.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806760 - 02/26/16 10:03 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

..cool ! i guess i never been drawn to the powder seeing mostly bottles all the time . :thumbup:


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806763 - 02/26/16 10:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

well dont know about ya,ll but i picked up mine today


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806764 - 02/26/16 10:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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..cool ! i guess i never been drawn to the powder seeing mostly bottles all the time . :thumbup:





Hey I hear ya cause I use to use nothing but bottles also. I usually get the 50 lb bucket of Maxi from these guys.

http://www.discount-hydro.com/general-hydroponics-maxigro-50-lbs/

and the store they ship from is 30 miles from me so I can just go there and have it in a hour.

I use to use the 3 part Flora series which is probably the best hydro nutrient there is (once you know how to use it) but just to much of a pain to mix all the time. Then I used flora Nova but had to always get smaller bottles cause that stuff stores like shit. Powders just make life way easier.


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Magash]
    #806859 - 02/27/16 11:21 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

there's radioactive shit in their fertilizer that gets into ciggerettes and kills people years after they've stopped smoking


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Mof]
    #806884 - 02/28/16 11:38 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.aapfco.org/


http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/ProductDatabase.aspx

Click the second link, search by company name...

Find ur favorite nutrient line... it shows the heavy metal analysis of ALL products.

Print them out, add them up... see what u get...

I'm gonna post the cutting edge solutions analysis... the whole line all added up....

Then I'll compare that to general organics..

General organics is full of zinc and Cobalt and Molybdenum and that's their organic line..... :/

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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #806885 - 02/28/16 11:46 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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yo mag whats up with only using powdered nutrients ?

NPK Industries has a powder line btw!





Yeah there powder is probably the best powder nutrient out. I put up a post in the cult forum that is a complete breakdown of nutrients and it's done by NPK's head scientist guy. The problem with their powder is that Pablo Escobar would have made more money selling that stuff. They price it threw the roof.

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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Nevar44]
    #806887 - 02/28/16 11:48 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

General orgaincs:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Total N: 9.7

Available phosphoric acid: 51.1

Soluble potash : 7.3

Ca: 5

Mg: 2

Sulpher: 0.0

Boron: .02

Copper: .02

Iron: .20

Manganese: .06

REPORTED METALS

arsenic: 8.4

Cadmium: 1

Cobalt: 51.8

Molybdenum: 73.7

Nickle: 5.969

Lead: 6.9

Zinc: 1422.8


Now for the cutting edge line...

Cutting edge:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Total N: 6

Available phosphoric acid: 6

Soluble potash: 11

Ca: 6

Mg: 2

Sulpher: 3

Boron: 0.0

Copper: 0.0

Manganese: 0.0

Iron: .100

REPORTED METALS

arsenic: 1.76

Cadmium: <0.5000

Cobalt: 2

Molybdenum: <0.5000

nickle: <1.000

Lead: <5.000

Zinc: 280.9

Ok , these are ppm measurements.... u should now be able to find the line u use on the link I posted... and compare the total heavy metals in the entire line u use...

Cutting edge is looking pretty clean, although I've only compared it to general organics so far.

As u can see, zinc Cobalt, Molybdenum, arsenic, nickle, lead, phosphoric acid levels are all MUCH lower in the cutting edge nutes.

Ty guru once again for saving me from smoking that shit...

Here is the link again...

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/ProductDatabase.aspx

search ur favorite nutrient line. Add up the reported heavy metal content in all the products u use and compare...

And the other link again.. it's the "association of American plant food control officials" website.

Click on "trace metals content analysis information". Then click your state... I live in WA so...

http://www.aapfco.org/heavy_metals.html

(There may be some mistakes in the typing, it's a pain to put this all up via smart phone...)


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Nevar44]
    #806900 - 02/28/16 12:58 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I peeked at "npk industries" real fast, checked arsenic levels...

Arsenic is fairly high is all i can say atm...

Also "Remo" nutes look good but lots of zinc in the grow and bloom. 600 ppm in the bloom 500 ppm in the grow

Me personally, I love the idea of powders. Shelf life bugs me, and u have more control.

However, I don't care if it's powdered or bottled when it comes down to how much heavy metals are in a product.

For now, I'm happy w cutting edge for the cleanliness of the products heavy metal analysis.

However, if I can find a good clean testing powder I may try it out in time. I'll have to start looking now...

Also, I wouldn't buy anythung from GH before or after the switch. I would imagine their stuff still tested w lots of arsenic and zinc before the switch....

It kinda seems like it's pick your poison with most nute lines if u check out the analysis of em all through the link I posted:blazed:

Well I looked a little deeper. It seems general organics line is no better than GH. The maxibloom from GH looks decent I guess but I'm no expert lol...

Dmtcorey I'm not saying Remo is bad either just noticed high zinc levels off the bat. Higher zinc than GH by far if I'm not mistaken... anyways...

The aapfco would be my go to guide.

I discovered aapfco by purchasing a bag of "pro soil mix" "aaa mix". The bag had the website address on it... proudly stating check out our analysis online...

It's a company out of Oregon... I might pick some up again. I returned it because it didn't say it had lime or wetting agent... so I assumed it had no lime or wetting agent..

I emailed the company they told me they aren't allowed to state Wether or not it has lime or wetting agent and it does in fact have ph stabilizers and wetting agent in it...

I'll put up the email and quote it if anyone would like...

I'd love to see ur guy's nute lines reported heavy metal analysis added up :smile:

It seems that more than one brands organic line actually contains more heavy metals than the non organic of the same brand... botnicare and gh in specific

Time to do some homework...


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Nevar44]
    #806939 - 02/29/16 05:05 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but I'm going to continue using GH flora series. The stuff works great. I'm just curious though, how harmful are those heavy metals in the end? I flush my plants for 2 sometimes 3 weeks anyways, wouldn't everything be flushed out by then?


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Grit]
    #806941 - 02/29/16 08:01 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

No worries bro to each their own.

Flora Nova isn't too bad...

Floralicious is soooo full of zinc it's worse than miracle grow itself

About the heavy metals being flushed out.... this question is hard to answer for myself.

It comes down to the CEC aka the "cation exchange capacity". So it depends on ur soil mediums cec.

Zinc is a cation, so it's gonna be held in the soil to a certain degree.

If it was an anion it wouldn't be a worry... at least that's my best guess..

Since it is a cation, it is a worry. Not all stuff can be flushed out so easily. Especially if the soil is holding a lot of it...

I'd puff ur flora Nova flowers.., but not consistently cause it'd be like supporting Monsanto in my book...

I would not puff ur floralicious flowers tho wayyy to much zinc in there....

6000 ppm of zinc in floralicious :eek:


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Nevar44]
    #806943 - 02/29/16 09:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Which  floralicious product are you referring to?


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Nevar44]
    #806945 - 02/29/16 09:08 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I've never used floranova, so I can't speak on if it's good or bad. I use the micro grow and bloom with almost all of the supplements especially floralicious.

Now when you say floralicious has all this zinc, which one are you talking about? Because there is floralicious grow, bloom and plus. I use the plus from start to finish. Even a couple ml in the ez cloner. Also GH make a florakleen, I don't use this, but I understand it's for leeching all the salts and build-up from the substrate. Would the florakleen take all leftovers of heavy metals from the substrate?


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Grit]
    #806949 - 02/29/16 09:19 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

The bloom in specific has the High zinc levels...

the grow doesn't have nearly as much zinc, neither does the plus...

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/suppinfo.aspx?pname=1029

The first link is all of gh products... click which one u want the analysis of...

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=3726

The second link is a link to the analysis of the floralicious bloom in specific... highest zinc levels I've noticed yet

I'm serious when I say miracles grow itself has less zinc... :/

I just noticed this today...

Ty guru for getting me on the rights tracks :smile:

It seems the flora bloom is the main one w hellllla zinc... I'd not use the bloom for sure...

The micro and grow seem ok, I'm no pro here ima newb...

As far as ur question about the flora leeching stuff... it's not on the list. I assume it's hlc tho which does flush stuff out better cause it's a heavy anion... I think that's how it works lmao not sure don't quote me read this and find out urself.... it should help yes

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/cation-exchange-capacity-of-mediums-and-affects-on-fertigation.63913/

Sry for the off site link, its good info tho and I didn't Wana copy paste the entire statement and clog the thread lol..


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Nevar44]
    #807321 - 03/05/16 01:33 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:eek:

These guys have an add on Craigslist in my area if u look for used grow equipment u will see it...

Checked them out, they top the list w the shitty shit out there I know of yet lol...

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=6185


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: Nevar44]
    #807450 - 03/07/16 08:46 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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yo mag whats up with only using powdered nutrients ?

NPK Industries has a powder line btw!





Yeah there powder is probably the best powder nutrient out. I put up a post in the cult forum that is a complete breakdown of nutrients and it's done by NPK's head scientist guy. The problem with their powder is that Pablo Escobar would have made more money selling that stuff. They price it threw the roof.

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lol cool man ,i just learned about there raw line here as i was looking around for my switch up nuts .
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http://www.aapfco.org/


http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/ProductDatabase.aspx

Click the second link, search by company name...

Find ur favorite nutrient line... it shows the heavy metal analysis of ALL products.

Print them out, add them up... see what u get...

I'm gonna post the cutting edge solutions analysis... the whole line all added up....

Then I'll compare that to general organics..

General organics is full of zinc and Cobalt and Molybdenum and that's their organic line..... :/

The rest is up to u guys :rockon:



great post 44 ,heavy medals was the reason i stopped using the Alaskan fish fertilizer ,going go though some of your info here soon bro thanks for sharing


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Re: general hydroponics sold out to Monsanto's front company scotts ..maricle grow [Re: dmtcorey]
    #807456 - 03/07/16 10:32 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

For those organic guys...

Lots of guano is high in zinc and arsenic...

Here is a link to some roots organics guano that not so great looking...

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=6122. Nitro guano

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=6123 phos guano (Lotta arsenic)

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=6129 seabird guano (bet it has radiation in also Thays not tested for... from the seabird..


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