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    #589584 - 09/30/11 08:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: OoBYCoO] * 1
    #589602 - 09/30/11 10:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Monsanto has actually done a lot of good in 3rd world/ developing countries with the genetic engineering of drought-resistant food crops and higher nutritional values of said crops. I know they have caused a lot of conflict but they arent all bad news


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    #589607 - 09/30/11 11:26 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

That might be so, but I'm more concerned about their actions here in the US.  Most foreign governments have BANNED the use of GMO's!  India is suffering horrendously b/c of them!  They do WAY more harm then good IMO.


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    #589609 - 09/30/11 11:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

How is India suffering from GM Crops?

What action here in the US? the fact that they are suing farmers who try to use their patented seed and claim that they dont know how it got into their field?

How do GM Crops do "way," more harm than good?

I am just looking for a debate here, not trying to make ya mad. It's a field of study that I am heavily involved in


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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: Picklez]
    #589618 - 10/01/11 12:52 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

lol  I'm not mad, well not at you anyway.  :laugh2:

There is PLENTY of documentation on what's going on in India regarding Monsanto.  Monsanto recently bought out their major seed co's to get rid of the competition and gain market share.  The farmers are committing suicide in India b/c they take loans out on their farms to buy Monsanto's expensive seeds for them only to fail.  There have been MASSIVE uprisings and protest in India b/c of it.  Do some of your own research.  I'll try to find some of the stuff I'm referring too for you.  Some of it is also in the video I posted.  :wink:

I guess we can't continue the debate unless you do some research b/c the majority of research shows that they do in fact do "way" more harm then good.  Nat Geo has done docu's on it... look at "Sex, Drugs, and Plants."


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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #589620 - 10/01/11 01:08 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

National Geographic Wild: Sex Drugs and Plants: Sex, Drugs and Plants' gives an insight into the fascinating world of plants. By feeling, "hearing," smelling and tasting, these plants continue their journey through the undergrowth, in a bid for survival. Scientists and experts reveal the skills and tricks that plants use to survive, with predatory plants using every trick in the book to entice a meal, including sniffing out their prey. Exploring the defences plants employ to save themselves from harm, featuring the amazing acacia, which commands an ant army to fend off unwanted visitors. Experts also investigate how human intervention affects the plants, including a fascinating look at how technological advances could change the future of farming. From commanding ant armies to defend them or ‘sniffing’ out their prey, plants use all the skills and tricks at their disposal to survive

http://www.putlocker.com/file/1781GD34TL7S3#

skip to 34:00  and that's just ONE example!


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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: OoBYCoO] * 2
    #589623 - 10/01/11 01:11 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

My problem with GMOs besides the fact that I dont agree with modifying nature on a global scale is this, what happens when the pollen from the GM crops blows out into true nature, we could get some weird mutant plants, or we could create plants that cant survive their normal environment or who knows, anything could happen really


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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #589624 - 10/01/11 01:12 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, usually I can play the devils advocate for corporations, but Monsanto is just sleazy, and if we had a decent judicial system they wouldn't exist anymore. Being said, I don't think a good answer is to push for "GMO" labeling. Anything that is going to raise the cost of food products is going to cause people to starve.

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My problem with GMOs besides the fact that I dont agree with modifying nature on a global scale is this, what happens when the pollen from the GM crops blows out into true nature, we could get some weird mutant plants, or we could create plants that cant survive their normal environment or who knows, anything could happen really





Or worse yet, the pollen could blow miles onto someone elses crops, and then when they harvest their seed for next year, Monsanto sues them because they "stole" their intellectual property (their corn genetics).

This shit actually happens.


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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #589625 - 10/01/11 01:15 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I have done YEARS worth of research on GM crops and Monsanto. I just havent heard anything about farmers in India committing suicide because they cant afford their seeds. Plus you have to look at the positives of what they are doing also. They are creating food with more nutritional value than regular crops. Their crops are more drought-resistant and severe weather tolerant. They have GM crops that are able to grow in places where normal crops would not be able to grow (places like Africa)

As someone who has done tons of research on the subject, I am still torn as to whether or not GM ares a good thing or a bad thing. There is always 2 sides of the story.


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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: Picklez]
    #589628 - 10/01/11 01:29 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Well here's some news articles to help you out w/ that...

http://motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2011/09/monsanto-denies-superinsect-science
http://www.scidev.net/en/news/mexican-trial-of-gm-maize-stirs-debate.html
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2011/04/05/3182831.htm?WT.mc_id=science_twitterfeed_enviro&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+abcscience_enviro+%28Environment+news+and+features%2C+from+ABC+Science%29
http://www.naturalnews.com/033216_GMO_contamination_lawsuits.html#ixzz1Tx53JlvN


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Mississippi and Iowa, two big farm states, were recently tested for glyphosate levels in the air and water. Researchers found the key ingredient of Monsanto's Roundup herbicide in every stream sample tested, Scientific American reports.

The magazine quotes Paul Capel, environmental chemist and head of the agricultural chemicals team at the U.S. Geological Survey Office, saying: "It is out there in significant levels. It is out there consistently."

But Capel said more tests were needed to determine how harmful the chemical, glyphosate, might be to people and animals.

Real-Life Examples Speak For Themselves
However, while a politically-guided agency needs more tests—and probably more tests after that—to make a public statement regarding the health effects of the chemical, some people don't need tests to be sure what those effects are.

People like Viviana Peralta in San Jorge, Argentina. Peralta's baby daughter suffers acute asthma attacks every time a crop duster sprays herbicides and pesticides near her house, which sits in an agriculture-rich province 600 kilometers from Buenos Aires.

A Le Monde story tells of Peralta's experiences, saying that she eventually made the connection between her daughter's asthma attacks and the chemical sprayings—a suspicion that a pediatrician would later confirm. Glyphosate was found present in Ailen's blood.

Le Monde reports more about the town of San Jorge:

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  In San Jorge, cancer rates have spiked 30% in the past 10 years. Residents say that following a crop dusting, their lips turn blue and their tongues swell. Chickens die. Dogs and cats shed their hair. Bees disappear and birds become scarce.




And, the story continues, San Jorge is not alone:

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    In the province of Chaco, which borders Paraguay, a study carried out over the past 10 years in a town called La Leonesa suggests that cancer rates have tripled while the incidence of malformations has quadrupled. The situation has created tensions between residents and rice farmers, who use glyphosate and spray from airplanes...

    Andres Carrasco, an embryologist from the University of Buenos Aires, published a study in late 2010 demonstrating the toxic effects glyphosate can have on amphibian embryos. His work has earned him no shortage of enemies. He was physically attacked on a visit to La Leonesa and the conference he was scheduled to give there was canceled.




Carrasco is quoted saying he hasn't even made any new discoveries. "I just confirmed what other scientists had already discovered. The scientific evidence is there. Above all, there are the hundreds of [ill and malformed] people who are the living proof of this health emergency."

Apparently, though, that scientific evidence is not enough for the U.S. Geological Survey Office, or any other federal government agency, to show much concern about the effects of glyphosate on public health, despite finding it in every water sample tested.

(To be clear, the EPA is reviewing the chemical, but more than 30 years into its use and with a deadline for a decision still years away, it's not exactly treating it with any urgency.)


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Re: The World According To Monsanto [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #589629 - 10/01/11 01:33 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

So, do you not see any benefit in GM crops at all?


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    #589630 - 10/01/11 01:38 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Not when our land is fertile and in no need of them in the first place, just for the sake of "so-called" improved yields and resistance to pests when we've been doing fine for centuries and the fact that these "so-called" benefits don't even end up being the case.


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    #589631 - 10/01/11 01:39 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

what about lands that are not able to grow traditional crops but are suitable for GM crops? places like 3rd world countries


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    #589635 - 10/01/11 02:07 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

GM Crops save lives, no doubt. One also has to consider that these crops begin to be grown in other 3rd world countries, sometimes with government subsidies. This makes them very cheap, and while it may feed more people for less money, it will also cause poor farmers to lose everything as they can not compete in the market with GM crops.

Without governments backing Monsanto it probably wouldn't exist, at least in the capacity it does today.


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    #589636 - 10/01/11 02:10 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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That might be so, but I'm more concerned about their actions here in the US.  Most foreign governments have BANNED the use of GMO's!  India is suffering horrendously b/c of them!  They do WAY more harm then good IMO.



THE US DOES NOT NEED THEM!


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    #589637 - 10/01/11 02:15 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I will agree that the United States doesnt need them. But they are certainly beneficial in parts of the world where people die from starvation everyday and food supplies are scarce.

Plus it is a fact that food sustainability is a pressing issue as the world's population continues to grow and populations continue to move from urban areas to rural land that was once viable farming land. That applies to the United States as well. It's only a matter of time. Unless the Rapture happens first :lol:


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    #589643 - 10/01/11 03:01 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I agree w/ you on sustainability, but that's not necessarily a matter that GMO's will solve.  That's more a problem of society.  :wink:


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    #592577 - 10/17/11 07:45 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Scientists under Attack - Genetic Engineering in the magnetic Field of Money

This is a documentary thriller about how Agro-Chemical multinational corporations victimize international scientists to prevent them from publishing their scary findings.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl17bh_scientists-under-attack-part-1_tech
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    #592686 - 10/18/11 04:14 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

A Silent Forest: On the growing threat of genetically engineered trees - STP EDITION


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