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Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms??
    #804343 - 01/26/16 01:54 PM (1 year, 25 days ago)

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curious if anyone on here it's familiar with companion planting with fungi?

And if you are familiar with this, do you have any personal experience or any information on the subject?

No I do not myself have any experience, I have very little info because there is very little information to be gathered to date.

This is a topic that is currently being researched and will probably soon be released and marketed in different ways I imagine. It is quite hard to find any information on the subject yet the very little information that is out shows quite some promise

I know of one book out that will be released and printed in April if I remember right I'm hoping it's a pretty good book

I have dug around on the internet and found people claiming that Reishi mushrooms are the one you want to use for cannabis

Which brings me to my experiment I will be carrying out relatively soon. Soon as I can cut some clones and start experimenting with the clones.

I've also read that the leftover broth from strained liquid culture benefits plants so I'm going to start experimenting by making liquid cultures straining off the mycelium and then using the leftover broth to water my plants at different dillutions with different species..

My goal is to figure out which species cannabis likes.

In time, I will do an outdoor true companion planting. As described in mycelium running by paul stamets and organic mushroom farming and mycoremediation by tradd cotter.

They plant mycelium from a specific oyster mushroom variety and get double the yeild from Brussel sprouts in mycelium running by doing so.

It's basically a layer of mycelium over the dirt. U place straw on top of the mycelium to keep it moist so it doesn't dry out. When u water the water passes through the living mycelium each time... I'll try to find some links


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804349 - 01/26/16 02:18 PM (1 year, 25 days ago)

I've seen people try to use the mushrooms as a CO2 source but unless you have an acre of mushrooms growing you won't make a difference. This is the only reason I see people growing mushrooms and cannabis in the same area.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #804351 - 01/26/16 02:21 PM (1 year, 25 days ago)

Also you want trich mycelium in your soil. They do benefit from that.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #804380 - 01/26/16 10:29 PM (1 year, 24 days ago)

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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804634 - 01/28/16 10:49 AM (1 year, 23 days ago)

https://books.google.com/books?id=NPI8_-omzvsC&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=Brussels+sprouts+king+oyster+mycelium&source=bl&ots=3aoy83ep1J&sig=zNH0LkCS5K7ENy-JW3shkUo30OM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ7--C7czKAhUJ52MKHXrZCtgQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=Brussels%20sprouts%20king%20oyster%20mycelium&f=false

About pg 192 there are pics of the size difference in the brussel sprout plants and the actual brussel sprouts. Along w a good read...

This link is simply page 192 from Paul stamets book mycelium running on the web..


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804638 - 01/28/16 11:40 AM (1 year, 23 days ago)



This is a pic from tradd cotter book. Organic mushroom farming and mycoremediation.

The cannabis would go in between the buried reishi logs. Fully colonized w ganoderma lucidum mycelium. I'm starting to think the polysaccharides are what the plants are liking. I have nothing to back this up just speculations, as of now.

Cannabis benefits largely from reishi mycelium being present maybe reishi polysaccharides? ??

Brussel sprouts benefit from kind oyster mycelium.. Maybe polysaccharides? ??

What will we find out next...?


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804640 - 01/28/16 11:44 AM (1 year, 23 days ago)

http://radicalmycology.com/2013/11/15/amateur-mycologist-makes-new-mushroom-plant-companion-discovery/

This is a prime example of the type of info that's out on companion planting yet. Lol... not much... great link


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804641 - 01/28/16 11:47 AM (1 year, 23 days ago)



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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804684 - 01/28/16 10:38 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

I don't have experience actually doing it and im really not sure which ones would be good companions for cannabis (sorry) but I do grow both. Not an expert but some things to consider.
It all starts with whats in your soil and what mush your growing.
For example:
Compost is a growing sub for both plants and mush. If you have wood mush your going to want sawdust or woodchips or even straw in soil for them to feed off. People colonize substrates with mushrooms and bury them in soil if they get contaminated to still fruit them.
Mushroom mycelium needs to stay damp (not soaked by any means) but idk if conditions would be too consistently damp for the plant roots or not
Not sure how density of mycelium/plant roots would effect one another.
Cultivating mush you have to consider contams (prior to 100% colonization).
Putting into soil with correct sub id assume mycelium will keep growing if conditions are correct onto other food sources.
Also the mushroom compost would in turn be beneficial to the plant by feeding overtime and possibly beneficial bacteria.

I am currently growing both to experiment with the same idea myself. People do this in their gardens but doing it in containers I think would be a little tougher. Id love seeing Portobellos growing next to my beans or cubensis growing with my herb lol! Very cool stuff!


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: mushroomyz08]
    #804700 - 01/29/16 12:27 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

i believe the issue is that cannabis and mushrooms like different conditions. cannabis likes it to dry out regularly and problems arise if it is kept wet, which mushrooms thrive on.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804702 - 01/29/16 01:03 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

Different species like different environments. Try to find something compatible. Oyster mushrooms are very easy to grow but spores can be a mess! I'm sure some mushrooms can tolerate more dry then others but I haven't looked into such a thing. Mush cakes CAN dry out (unintentionally) and be rehydrated, to what extent im not sure but anything is possible.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: mushroomyz08]
    #804707 - 01/29/16 02:17 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

There is no issues. It's being done...

It's been being done for ten plus yrs now. Look at the links and read mycelium running and one would know this...

The link shows ONE of many ways. Then another one of the links shows another way of doing it (w the brussel sprouts..)

I will be doing this, I will come back and post my results here this yr w my indoor experiments.

I'm most excited for outdoor experimemts , which may possibly happen this yr.

Another one of the links describes how someone has been getting a berry plant twice the size by companion planting w nameko mushrooms...

The picture of the logs would be logs colonised with mycelium that are buried as pictured and then your plants would be in rows in between the very logs this is companion planting with mushrooms...one  example of it at least..


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804708 - 01/29/16 03:46 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

it wont work the same way for all plants or mushrooms.

the negatives of fungi in the soil may outweigh the benefits if your trying to grow a good product. people come into problems such as mold from high humidity, or fungus gnats. Thats why we use mycorhizal fungi in the soil which lives in the roots and does not fruit so does not require high humidity conditions. these mycorhizal fungi are very popular today and can be found in just about any grow shop.

i would like to point out that reishi is not mycorhizal, also the mycelium becomes so dense it is almost like rubber which would effect drainage.  they also produce a huge amount of spores which might not be safe to smoke, alot of people complain just from breathing them in. just my observation.

i have read mycelium running front to back many times, i also have done many companion planting in my garden. i have had huge success with strawberry plants. but strawberry, and brussel sprouts, are alot easier to grow than cannabis.

i think you should definately try it. but do a side by side test with a few clones from the same mother and compare them.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804709 - 01/29/16 03:54 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

i would be interested to read where people have suggested reishi would be a good candidate to grow with cannabis. because i could not find any examples.

however i am interested in the effects of watering plants with mycelium water, perhaps metabolites come into play here, as i believe they may have many potential health benefits.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804720 - 01/29/16 09:49 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

It's been being done for ten plus yrs... if u understand mushrooms and plants one can see many applications that don't raise any contam concerns at all...

Yes, u have to dig hard to get info on the subject. That because it currently being studied and no one wants to release their findings yet. If u took the time to read the mycelium running book or link ud realize being a mychorizal species or not is irrelevant. It doesn't need to be a mychorizal species to be utilized for companion planting By any means. In fact all the examples of companion planting using fungi and zero mychorizal species have been used yet that I know of.

The reishi would be applied by burying logs as pictured, then planting ur starts in rows in between the burried colonozed logs. So I'm not sure how drainage and ect would be concerns. Spores? ? Not a concern here... we wouldn't be fruiting the reishi or any of the mush species used for companion planting

I always use good mychorizea. All my experiments will be carried out w plants previously treated w mychorizea.

If u have read mycelium running u would understand that companion planting isn't done with mycorhizea species...

Any mushroom grower who has a wide understanding will know what I'm talking about.

I'll put up a link for u. It took me days to find. This is brand new stuff here u guys...

Some bottled plant nutrients lines contain polysaccharides.  This is why I previously stated that I think the water soluble  polysaccharides may be the key here.

Yes reishi won't be the magic species for every plant. For strawberry the best companion planting culprit may be lions mane mushrooms. We don't know yet.

I will have clones that done get treated to compare, taken from same mother..

I think ur missing some of the concept maybe..?

http://www.instafotom.com/dragonflyearthmedicine/photo/922664734038702255_590327573

This is where I found dragon fly earth medicine stating it's reishi for cannabis.. I believe u will have to go back through all the comments to see the comment where dragonfly earth med claims it's reishi u want for cannabis


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804728 - 01/29/16 12:25 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

i think your being a bit bias, after all you were asking for experience. why ask for a discussion and get defensive? i stated that i HAVE read mycelium running many times, i own it and it is my favorite book. i also have done MANY companion planting.

the link your provided is broken, and if there isnt a single example of reishi companion planting with cannabis how can you be so sure? you have a pre set bias that is effecting your ability to think open mindedly. if you really want to discuss this topic with people, dont get so defensive about it and lets real talk.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804729 - 01/29/16 12:27 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

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It's basically a layer of mycelium over the dirt. U place straw on top of the mycelium to keep it moist so it doesn't dry out. When u water the water passes through the living mycelium each time... I'll try to find some links




this is going to cause the most problems, specifically the "doesnt dry out". cannabis requires oxygen to the roots. this is one of the most common problems growers may run into.

also logs, especially burried and kept moist, attract many varietys of insects. i know this because i DO have experience growing on logs outdoors and partially buried.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804757 - 01/29/16 03:38 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

It's clear to me u don't fully comprehend what I'm talking about Wether or not u have read mycelium running. I'm tryin to explain it can be done and has been being done. Even in mycelium running log cultures are depicted w plants in between them. In the permanent culture farm depiction.

It's frustrating when u tell someone it's been being done. And ur looking for good input. And u have someone coming w pure skepticism like it's too good to be true. Take it or leave it they say...

I don't want this thread getting clogged up

My statement u quoted is me trying to describe exactly what is done in mycelium running. It cause no problems.

If anyone who understands that this doesn't cause problems wants to input go ahead. I don't wanna keep trying to persuade ur opinion and prove ur skepticism wrong. We'd be having a real convo if u understood this is being done already...

Dragon fly earth medicine made the reishi claim in a long chain of comments in the link which I will post the url to. I'm not so sure of this. There is no way for me to be sure. But u bet ur ass I'm starting my cannabis experiments w my reishi culture. Lol. I'll break out my other 15 cultures on agar from refrigeration after the reishi...

I'll be doing tests w agarikon, lions mane, coryceps, bears tooth, maitake, serra oysters, all of which I have on agar and grow and make supplements out of.

If bugs get onto the plants there is always a simple solution... no bigy..


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804759 - 01/29/16 04:12 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)



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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804760 - 01/29/16 04:17 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

so your looking for opinions, but only ones that are the same as your own. that is not a discussion. i no longer see the point of this thread. you seem like you have it all figured out.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804761 - 01/29/16 04:20 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

also i would be interested to see one example that reishi and cannabis can be grown together, not an anecdotal suggestion, but a real documented grow or pictures.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804762 - 01/29/16 04:22 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

www.panduvie.com/dragonflyearthmedicine/photo/922664734038702255_590327573

I'm not trying to be a dick so forgive me. It's the lack of being able to fully express ones self through text. Plus I'm on a smart phone. Makes getting what I'd like to say across hard. Lots of little button pushing...

When I first pulled up this link. The reishi part was the comment up at the moment. It's been a yr or so and now u will need to go through the comments. I found this after having already e mailed dragon fly earth and directly asking which fungi would be best for herbaceous plants... they gave no valid response.

I emailed them cause I know that they work w Paul stamets in creating their mychorizea... and they r cannabis specific company. Neither fungi perfecti nor dragon fly earth will disclose this info. E mail them about fungi companion planting see what ya get. I've done it already. Fungi perfecti gave few cool links which I'll put up...


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804763 - 01/29/16 04:24 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

Good luck w that... u can't find any documentation on companion planting w fungi.

The closest thing may be the book mycelial mayhem which I habent read.

Why?? Cause it new and we need to be getting in on it man... do you think that they stopped with brussel sprouts? They figured out that brussel sprouts a double in size in mycelium running in 2000. I guarantee they've been doing all kinds of research since then with different species and different plants in just haven't released the info yet


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804764 - 01/29/16 04:25 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

However I will be doing companion planting with cannabis this year and I will come back to this thread I guarantee you and I always keep my word so make sure you log in


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804765 - 01/29/16 04:28 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

I haven't seeing the point of your post except for you trying to enlighten yourself on how companion planting works

As I stated I was looking for people with experience who understood the whole concept

So in other words all of the things that you brought to talk about weren't really valid in this thread so you should go back and just delete your posts if you wish to be so negative and please do take your posts elsewhere

Do a Google search on books containing information about companion planting with fun guy 1 year ago and there are 0 maybe one

Mycelial mayhem is the first book to come out to cover this topic


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804766 - 01/29/16 04:29 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

ill be interested to see the results.

dont get me wrong im not saying it cant work out at all, i was bringing up my concerns through my experience in both growing cannabis, reishi, and companion planting for years. the fact that you question my experience means nothing as you do not know me or my experience. i was simply discussing the topic that you asked for opinions on.

it would be great in theory if it did work, as you could grow two of the best medicines around at one time.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804767 - 01/29/16 04:31 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

not once did i ask a single question about how companion planting works, you have, countless times explained it for no reason without me asking. its pure arrogance. you even stated you have no experience with companion planting.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804768 - 01/29/16 04:34 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

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i believe the issue is that cannabis and mushrooms like different conditions. cannabis likes it to dry out regularly and problems arise if it is kept wet, which mushrooms thrive on.




Maybe I'm confused?? Why if u understand companion planting would u be concerned about this? It's the things u have said that made me assume

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it wont work the same way for all plants or mushrooms.

the negatives of fungi in the soil may outweigh the benefits if your trying to grow a good product. people come into problems such as mold from high humidity, or fungus gnats. Thats why we use mycorhizal fungi in the soil which lives in the roots and does not fruit so does not require high humidity conditions. these mycorhizal fungi are very popular today and can be found in just about any grow shop.

i would like to point out that reishi is not mycorhizal, also the mycelium becomes so dense it is almost like rubber which would effect drainage.  they also produce a huge amount of spores which might not be safe to smoke, alot of people complain just from breathing them in. just my observation.

i have read mycelium running front to back many times, i also have done many companion planting in my garden. i have had huge success with strawberry plants. but strawberry, and brussel sprouts, are alot easier to grow than cannabis.

i think you should definately try it. but do a side by side test with a few clones from the same mother and compare them.




And then the point where u say reishi isn't mychorizal. Why would this matter I wonder? These are things I personally wouldn't even consider as a concern of any sort


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804769 - 01/29/16 04:37 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

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i believe the issue is that cannabis and mushrooms like different conditions. cannabis likes it to dry out regularly and problems arise if it is kept wet, which mushrooms thrive on.




Maybe I'm confused?? Why if u understand companion planting would u be concerned about this? It's the things u have said that made me assume




because, based off of my experience, this is the concerns and observations i have on a problem that will arise from growing certain mushrooms that require alot of moisture with cannabis.

you asked for opinions by people who have experience, i was trying to suggest a potential problem.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804770 - 01/29/16 04:41 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

Perhaps we can skirt this whole subject by me bringing up the point that I will be using reishi liquid culture broth and watering my plants with that indoors as a method to get around everything you are concerned about lol. I'm doing this because of my thought, is it the water-soluble polysaccharides that benefit the plant? Is it the fact that the mycelium is present near the plant and maybe forms some sort of relationship? They can't say exactly why the Brussels got so big... I'm hoping it's the water soluables leaching into the soil. If so u might think liquid culture broth would be beneficial. I'm pretty sure I've read that it is in a search... can't remember where Google or shroomery


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804771 - 01/29/16 04:46 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

I hadn't thought that it could be the metabolites so you could gather metabolites as tradd described in his book. Get half cup of metabolites and try watering w that at diff dillutions also...

Great book tradd cotter organic mushroom farming and mycoremediation


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804772 - 01/29/16 04:48 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)

i would be interested in how polysaccharides effect the plants. also the mushroom metabolites.

in mycorhizal fungi, the plant has evolved to live very specifically and symbiotically in the roots and benefits by regulating water to the roots and making nutrients more available to the roots. nature has answered your question on the best species to use already.

in decomposers, mushroom species break down material such as straw or saw dust into soil. this mushroom compost makes nutrients available to the soil, sort of like a slow release fertiliser. in a soil mix that already has plenty of nutrients available, this would in theory be unnecessary.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804773 - 01/29/16 04:52 PM (1 year, 22 days ago)



This is off topic but cool... out of tradds book.. this pic is also...

Perhaps u could partially burry the reishi log to off set problems like a fee of the logs r in this pic..?


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804776 - 01/29/16 05:08 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

the problem with growing on logs is that it requires alot of moisture to allow the mycelium to be in a state where it is not dormant. most people run a sprinkler or drip system regularly on their log cultivation. the most effective use of water would be to take the logs perhaps twice a month and submerge them into water for 24 hour. this allows them to soak to capacity on water without most of it running off, into the soil, which would cause extra problem for the cannabis.

ive grown many, many, mushrooms on logs. if you want them to fruit, you really need alot of humidity in the area, not alot of wind to dry out the logs, and not in full sun. most mushrooms do not like full sun, and yet cannabis does.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804777 - 01/29/16 05:09 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

I'll be giving away a wedge of reishi and one random wedge to people who have agar skills and wish to participate in this...


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804778 - 01/29/16 05:15 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

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i would be interested in how polysaccharides effect the plants. also the mushroom metabolites.

in mycorhizal fungi, the plant has evolved to live very specifically and symbiotically in the roots and benefits by regulating water to the roots and making nutrients more available to the roots. nature has answered your question on the best species to use already.

in decomposers, mushroom species break down material such as straw or saw dust into soil. this mushroom compost makes nutrients available to the soil, sort of like a slow release fertiliser. in a soil mix that already has plenty of nutrients available, this would in theory be unnecessary.




I see your point here, however with the brussel sprouts they used King oyster mycelium and got double the yeilds. How do u propose this happened? It wasn't just the mychorizea...

Probably nowhere in nature will you ever find brussel sprouts and King oysters living together however when you artificiate this the brussel sprout yeild doubles and triples sometimes even


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804779 - 01/29/16 05:21 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

i cant say i know for sure, but i would theorize that the brussel sprouts grew twice as big because, a side by side comparison was done between two plants in similar conditions, one getting a slow release fertilizer effect from the decomposing straw, and one not. one has more available nutrients and so it grows bigger.

we usually have no problem getting enough nutrients for cannabis, in fact it is more common to have issues with too much nutrients.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804780 - 01/29/16 05:21 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

I can still see burried logs working maybe. Or maybe just use reishi mycelium in place of King oysyers as is done in mycelium running. If reishi won't colonized straw...

Well a friend being a rookie got reishi to colonize peat. So u could use peat in place of straw. As ur top layer just as was done w the Brussels in mycelium running


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #804781 - 01/29/16 05:22 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

i have had reishi 100% colonize straw easily. however, i could not get it to fruit.


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804782 - 01/29/16 05:24 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

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i cant say i know for sure, but i would theorize that the brussel sprouts grew twice as big because, a side by side comparison was done between two plants in similar conditions, one getting a slow release fertilizer effect from the decomposing straw, and one not. one has more available nutrients and so it grows bigger.

we usually have no problem getting enough nutrients for cannabis, in fact it is more common to have issues with too much nutrients.




And I would have no idea so I will ask, would brussels normally possibly be lacking nutrients?

I have a hard time imagining just the extra nutrients being available from broken down straw would be the cause myself

The link that I provided shows how a lady got her berries to be twice as big also that's it large statement I lean more towards it may be the water soluble polysaccharides or the metabolites myself time will tell I believe soon I think this information will be released to the public it perhaps maybe in mycelial mayhem there may be some new companion planting with fungi information in that book


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: lingzhi]
    #804783 - 01/29/16 07:00 PM (1 year, 21 days ago)

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i have had reishi 100% colonize straw easily. however, i could not get it to fruit.




Good to know, we could apply it as in mycelium running w the king oysters and Brussels. Keep the colonized straw moist enough to keep reishi alive. We don't need to have it fruit, just need to have the mycelium as a companion planting partner


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Re: Cannabis companion planting with mushrooms?? [Re: Nevar44]
    #805104 - 02/02/16 02:05 AM (1 year, 18 days ago)

I'm quite interested in your strawberry results. Cool to see someone else taking initiative.

My gf is gonna be doing a funded companion planting experiment through her college this semester. Exciting stuff that's aside from any experiments of my own


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