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First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 01.05.15]
    #749876 - 09/26/14 02:26 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

This is my first grow, using a small florescent grow spot lamp & available window light.
Yesterday, i re-potted them from 1.5 gallon to 3 gallon pots.

I read a bunch beforehand & i liked the idea behind
LST because it's just like doing bonsai, it's very therapeutic.
 
These first 2 photos are the blue dream. It took to shaping quite nicely:





The pineapple express didn't like LST.
I wasn't expecting the branches to produce branches to produce branches & now i don't really know what i should do, training-wise. It's become quite the monster. i just removed the ties all-together & i'm probably going to just let it do it's thing unless you have other suggestions?
I rotated the pot in the various photos so u can kinda see what's going on with it:




Any other suggestions you'd like to give me i would appreciate. thank you. =)
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EDIT Update 11/14/14 (about 7 weeks since initial post)
(Mods please move this to grow logs if you'd like)

Here is the new setup, my buddy gave me a t5 8 bulb floro for free.:smile:
I fixed my neighbor's PC so he bought me a box fan that sits in the window to draw in fresh air. The oscillating fan my mum gave me.

I started 12/12 3 weeks ago.



Here is the photo exposed to show the DWC clone box i made, wrapped in Bubble Foil below the table.


2 days ago, after seeing signs of pests leaving crud on both plants,
I removed most of the fan leaves & then treated the plants with an insecticidal soap from home depot.

Here is a shot of the Blue Dream afterwards:


Here is a shot of how i tied down & shaped branches:


These 2 side shoots literally grew 3" overnight after removing the fan leaves:


Both plants are showing this dark green banding on the fan leaves, anyone know what it is?


I feed them shultz 10.15.10, fish emulsion & super thrive the same way
Dr Bud feeds his plants in his tek. (although i let the soil dry out between feedings)

Here is the Pineapple Express.
It's a very bushy spindly plant, trying to manage the branches away from each other for breathing room has been challenging. at this point i'm only tying her down to keep a level canopy with the Blue Dream:





That's it for now. It's been fun!
I plan to give the clones a short veg time & throw them in to flower right away, I also plan to build a DWC bucket to see how i like that method.
Eventually i'd like to go with a full hydro/NFT system once i acquire all the necessities.

Constructive criticism is always appreciated, Thanks!

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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: 40oz]
    #749878 - 09/26/14 07:52 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

What kind of growing medium are you using? That second plant looks a little stressed but that is likely from the repot.

Look into fimming/topping to keep it from getting too tall and just keep it trimmed. It will cause it to bush out more but as long as you keep it trimmed it should be no problem for you. The only thing is your amount of light, window light is all but a waste in my opinion I would at least buy as many of those lights as you can without it causing too much heat. That is my best advice for your situation.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: mhbound]
    #749880 - 09/26/14 09:33 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Really though you can get 150watt HPS for under 100$. I bought one for like 60+shipping



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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: mhbound]
    #749996 - 09/26/14 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 days ago)

If that's sand on top of soil, be aware that a layer of sand on top will stop oxygen from getting to the roots.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: mhbound]
    #750031 - 09/27/14 02:26 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

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What kind of growing medium are you using? That second plant looks a little stressed but that is likely from the repot.

Look into fimming/topping to keep it from getting too tall and just keep it trimmed. It will cause it to bush out more but as long as you keep it trimmed it should be no problem for you. The only thing is your amount of light, window light is all but a waste in my opinion I would at least buy as many of those lights as you can without it causing too much heat. That is my best advice for your situation.



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Really though you can get 150watt HPS for under 100$. I bought one for like 60+shipping






growing medium was some organic potting soil from home depot.
I'm not sure if i'm sold on the fimming technique quite yet, i think i'm going to take 2 clones off the BD, fim one & then compare dry weight to see for myself.
After reading a bunch, what i think i'm gonna do is defoliate the fan leaves from the PE and tie the branches away from each other so they aren't crowded fighting for light. Hopefully that'll be enough to stop the spindly growth.

As far as the window light goes, it's not diffused but hard light coming through my windows, so they get a good dose every day. I just had a baby recently so liquid assets are nil', i have to work with what i got. just the way it goes. =)


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #750033 - 09/27/14 02:51 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

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If that's sand on top of soil, be aware that a layer of sand on top will stop oxygen from getting to the roots.




It's reptile sand, calcium carbonate i believe.
When i first got the clones, my wife over-watered them & it attracted the fungus gnats.
I had to put that sand over the top to keep them from breeding, reduced my watering to once every 3 days and I fired my wife. My strategy was 100% effective. That was during the time they were in 1.5 gallon pots, they were covered with sand for about a month without any noticeable effects, the plants didn't mind at all.
I imagine it has something to do with atmospheric pressure being around 14.7 lbs psi.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: 40oz]
    #750034 - 09/27/14 04:07 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

that might actually be a good idea to aid with gnat control. Yea I don't know how big a problem the reduced oxygen will be, but could potentially cause some mild problems. I know putting woodchips or bark mulch on top has some benefits for organic grows, but I don't know if it would stop gnats.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: Midgetpawn]
    #750035 - 09/27/14 04:10 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

hey you should learn the tautline hitch and make your hung light more easily adjustable!



there may actually be a better knot for adjusting taut rope or string, but I just like and know this one.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: 40oz]
    #757240 - 11/14/14 06:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

bump: Update in original post.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: 40oz]
    #757268 - 11/14/14 10:03 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

What on earth is that white stuff all over your plant?


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: captain.koons]
    #757286 - 11/14/14 10:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Hey man.
About this defoliation thing you mentioned. I gotta say that I really believe that you want as many leaves as you can get with the exception of pruning scraggly bottom branches on tall plants.
  The best plants with the biggest buds got those buds from energy absorbed by the leaves...
Pulling leaves can really bum on a plant and yours look kind of sparse as is. Just my 2 cents since you asked...  &Best of luck brutha


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: oeric mckenna] * 2
    #757288 - 11/14/14 11:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Pulling all the fan leaves was a mistake. If you want more power you don't go out and yank solar panels off of the roof.

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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
    #757289 - 11/14/14 11:28 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

You can defoliate in flower and it improves yield especially(only) when your canopy is over crowded. Anything green is going to be photosynthetic but you need a large mass of buds before you even think of doing that.

You should also know your genetics as it would be a very good way to stress your plants and possibly throw nanners.

Absolutely no reason to do it in veg or with CFLs or whatever you're using.  The reason why it works well under HID is there's an abundance of foliage for the amount of light being shined down on the canopy. so photosynthesis is driven well when your canopy is thinned as it's got the maximum (or close) amount of light exposure it would be getting with all those extra leaves sitting in the shade.

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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: captain.koons]
    #757300 - 11/15/14 12:32 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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What on earth is that white stuff all over your plant?




the white stuff in the pots?
It's reptile sand, calcium carbonate. kept the gnats from laying eggs in the soil. It had no noticeable effect on the plants when i put it on months ago.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #757305 - 11/15/14 12:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey man.
About this defoliation thing you mentioned. I gotta say that I really believe that you want as many leaves as you can get with the exception of pruning scraggly bottom branches on tall plants.
  The best plants with the biggest buds got those buds from energy absorbed by the leaves...
Pulling leaves can really bum on a plant and yours look kind of sparse as is. Just my 2 cents since you asked...  &Best of luck brutha




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Pulling all the fan leaves was a mistake. If you want more power you don't go out and yank solar panels off of the roof.

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You can defoliate in flower and it improves yield especially(only) when your canopy is over crowded. Anything green is going to be photosynthetic but you need a large mass of buds before you even think of doing that.

You should also know your genetics as it would be a very good way to stress your plants and possibly throw nanners.

Absolutely no reason to do it in veg or with CFLs or whatever you're using.  The reason why it works well under HID is there's an abundance of foliage for the amount of light being shined down on the canopy. so photosynthesis is driven well when your canopy is thinned as it's got the maximum (or close) amount of light exposure it would be getting with all those extra leaves sitting in the shade.

Never do this in veg.





This post is a synopsis of this thread that explains why i did it. The dude in the icmag thread posted photos of this tek in action & reasoned why removing fan leaves makes the plant focus on bud sites instead of fan leaves.
After seeing those photos of his buds i was a believer. :shrug:

Do u guys know what this is? Both plants are showing this dark green banding on the fan leaves.
It happened when i recently switched nutes from 5.1.1 to 10.15.10+fish emulsion+superthrive:
i'm not sure if the banding is normal or not :confused:


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: captain.koons]
    #757306 - 11/15/14 12:57 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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You should also know your genetics as it would be a very good way to stress your plants and possibly throw nanners.


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Haha... all the local growers I know here call em "nanners" too.
I call them female pollen sacks not that it matters...
Man, they're highly valuable on one hand too though if you should encounter them.

Oh and hey, from the personal brain archives. Heres a neat experiment on the detriment of defoliation directly to bud development. Yes the buds will grow but... compare:

Take a plant and strip all large leaves off a single branch. That branch will have smaller buds than elsewhere.  seems to me from my experience that its generally a branch to branch idea


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: oeric mckenna] * 1
    #757308 - 11/15/14 01:35 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Man, they're highly valuable on one hand too though if you should encounter them.




For what? If your talking feminized seeds you don't use those nanners.

That's how Soma makes his fems and they always go hermie and throw enough nanners to draw a pack of monkeys.

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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
    #757309 - 11/15/14 01:43 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

okay, so i take it the dark green is nothing to be concerned about? :shrug:


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: 40oz]
    #757312 - 11/15/14 02:13 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I'd worry more about the yellowish tinges, & yes to make female seeds. certainly.
Only plants that are stressed very badly give herm problems in the future generations. maybe our opinikons differ.  its a biological response for survival that occurs in nature though.  I like to use the ones that kick out on overly aged buds.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #757313 - 11/15/14 03:06 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Only plants that are stressed very badly give herm problems in the future generations.




I've been making and selling feminized seeds for 8 years and I know for a fact that this is totally untrue. Companies that know what they are doing use age as a stress test to try and force male flowers. Those that show them are throne out. The same goes for plants that throw them with light stress or water stress. The companies that use the age method of making their feminized seeds are just plain lazy breeders who don't give a shit about their customers. Every one of them has non-stop complaints. Soma Seeds is a prime example. They were one of the best selling seed companies for years with strains like Lavender.
Then he released his fems made with that method. The method of using old flowers that throw male flowers is called rodilization.
Now look at Soma Seeds. They are the clown show of the seed world. Check out his forum at ICMAG. He got so many complaints for his fems (and remember he is a master grower and has been since the 70s) that he's having to sell rolling papers now and different products to keep his business alive.

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  its a biological response for survival that occurs in nature though




Absolutely true. The thing is that it also purposely throws a ton of hermies in order to prevent the plant from having the same problem from whatever environmental factor caused it.

and last how is the plant going to continue the next generation if all the seeds are female? There would have to be hermies in order to make up for there not being any males that caused the for the hermies flowers in the first place. So if what you say is true and fems made from old flowers reliable then the  plant would be making itself extinct on the next generation.  :wink:

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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
    #757314 - 11/15/14 03:22 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

The offspring of these plants seem to be coded with that same panic gene and definitely produce female pollen sacks in the future.  I've perhaps personally been lucky with the true herm issue doing this but then again, I'm not selling seeds. I've mainly used this to keepp strains alive and preserved when no  males were available.  Shit man, I still have my NY purp from '98 because I did this. This plant currently acts just like any other standard male pollen produced plant ... well so far anyway.
I used gibberelic acid on a mother at the time.  I rated how pissed off and mutated the individual offspring were by how many female pollen sacks they'd produce. The ones with only a few were used.  Believe me I understand what's happenening but hey you're probably right and if I were selling these I'd definitely not want the gene pool intergrity being questionable. its helped me out though.
  In fact, that strain now has calmed down and doesn't even produce female pollen sacks , "nanners" unless it gets light leaks or other stressers


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: oeric mckenna]
    #757315 - 11/15/14 03:41 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I see what you're saying but if I were to do this it would be irresponsible of me to do so. I have to have the rate of hermies in my fems the same as my regular seeds.

Still using gabrillic, you are a man of the 90s. One time when board try STS. (of course if what your doing is working why fuck with it that's why I say when your board).

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and doesn't even produce female pollen sacks , "nanners" unless it gets light leaks or other stressers




This is exactly what I can't let happen. That's why the plants are stressed tested. When one of the plants show male flowers under any kind of stress out she goes. To be truthful with you even plants that are used to make regular seeds should be stressed tested.

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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
    #757316 - 11/15/14 03:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

so um, dark green on the fan leaves is caused by.................................??? :smirk:


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: 40oz]
    #757318 - 11/15/14 04:08 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Dr Bud is a retard from what I can see.

He is using as he puts it

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1176 Watts of CFL's under Flower at once




OMG how stupid is this. CFL lights for one are not cooler then HID lights. With less then 350watts of hid he could be getting the same amount of light he's getting with 1176 of cfl light. Ahhhhh...I'll save this for another day.


Now that striping on your leaves I've only seen a few times and it was caused (in my case) by some disease that was caused by plant pests. Revive works well for fixing plants.



Now training the plant the way you did is cool but with a plant that small you're gonna have a bunch of tiny little buds. Try (if you're bored and want more smoke) to do a larger amount of untopped plants in one space. (it worked for me anyway)
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
    #757324 - 11/15/14 07:18 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Magash, although I think CFLs suck too, you need to consider how easy they are to cool regardless of their effeciency, the bulbs have a lot more surface area so air cooling them with a fan blowing over them and trailing to an exhaust is very effective. For this reason they can be placed incredibly close to the light. Their shape makes them essentially like a radiator, they produce more heat per watt but they shed that heat well so it's not hard to control.

You also need to consider the lumens at their average distance to the plant in both scenarios. the CFLs also win hands down on the score cards for even distribution due to their shape and number of bulbs / square foot.

CFLs can compete with HID under optimal conditions which are many times harder to achieve using CFLs and require much higher plant counts and the right variety that stays very short.

Setting up a proper cabinet or tent is also going to cost heaps of money, unless you're stealing the bulbs.

FWIW, my friend did a 2x2 cab using less than ideaal 13w bulbs and crammed as many he could into there. He ended up with a QP of tight but small nugs. I guess that's a bit over .5gpw, which is probably about what the average HID grower does. I was working for a power company at the time and would be in charge of managing light control/energy savings at Costco, Walmart, etc remotely, interestingly enough you can save thousands of dollars a month at those buildings shutting off every other light or dimming them. DURRRR Anyways, my pay cheque was short 14 hours most of which was overtime so I was pretty steamed. My boss kept telling me to come into work on my days off to sort it out because I'd call him and he'd be in his car and is too stupid to use a bluetooth headset and didn't want to get pulled over. Anyways, he was always late and didn't care to sort things out and I ended up coming there 3 times before everything was said and done. I told him I want an additional 10 hours for having to come into work as per the labor board rules, he refused. I filed a complaint and he cut my hours. I had a friend working there who loved to play hookie and had a doctor friend who would right us sick notes, as they were required to get your paid sick days. We both called in sick for ALL 11 of our sick days for the year in January and they were beyond fucked. Both of us came back on the same day in good spirits, wearing matching outfits, and were canned on the spot. There was some gong show about them trying to fire us for insubordination so we wouldn't be entitled for unemployment insurance. We ended up getting it but had had to fight for it. Anyways we both stole a bunch of shit from a storage room as we were leaving including 2 huge boxes of CFLs which were all 7 and 13w. We gave my buddy all the 13w ones to use for his cabinet.

Also using the proper bulbs, ie higher than 13w per cfl and more appropriate wavelengths/color would probably increase that .5 gpw figure a bit.

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    #757330 - 11/15/14 09:07 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Magash, although I think CFLs suck too, you need to consider how easy they are to cool regardless of their effeciency, the bulbs have a lot more surface area so air cooling them with a fan blowing over them and trailing to an exhaust is very effective. For this reason they can be placed incredibly close to the light. Their shape makes them essentially like a radiator, they produce more heat per watt but they shed that heat well so it's not hard to control.

You also need to consider the lumens at their average distance to the plant in both scenarios. the CFLs also win hands down on the score cards for even distribution due to their shape and number of bulbs / square foot.

CFLs can compete with HID under optimal conditions which are many times harder to achieve using CFLs and require much higher plant counts and the right variety that stays very short.

Setting up a proper cabinet or tent is also going to cost heaps of money, unless you're stealing the bulbs.




Yeah great but what does it have to do with this garden or the one he's using as a example. I never said anything different then what you have but since going by his pictures he dosen't have any of the limitations that would need cfl lights.

This cabinet uses them in the top for the reasons you gave.


So Going by the pictures in this thread his garden would be better off with a hid then cfl light since heat isn't a issue and he only has a few plants and doesn't need to spread out the light. Also if he continues to grow his plants in the form of small bushes (which is kind of cool looking cause they look bonsi) he's going to have issues with light penetration which can be handled better because of what you said. The fact that the light comes from a centralized source and not spread out would help in this garden. With this garden he's wasting money using a light source that converts more of it's energy toward making heat then the hid light does. 

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Also using the proper bulbs, ie higher than 13w per cfl and more appropriate wavelengths/color would probably increase that .5 gpw figure a bit.

I'm almost curious enough to try CFL now.




:thumbup: go for it. Won't work well for me I need light penetration past the 1 foot mark.


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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
    #757335 - 11/15/14 09:47 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

It is relevant because you can't compare HID to CFL at the same distance, which means you can't say 350w of HID > 1200 CFL. Sorry I didn't quote, I'm using a browser that doesn't let me hit the quote button and redirect, so I need to c/p and write in the [ quote ] [ /quote ]

ALSO, the pictures appear to be on a work bench or something, not in a light tight area with ventilation which sets off some alarms in my head. I guess he could use the circulation fan.


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    #757346 - 11/15/14 10:23 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Look I know you like to troll me and argue for the sake of arguing but his bench has nothing but open space around it like it's in a bedroom and a small hid big enough for those plants isn't gonna be a issue.

Now I'm gonna go to the lounge and say the sky is blue. You can then come and say "no it's light blue" and then tell us why.

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    #757349 - 11/15/14 10:34 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Hey you guys know I'm kidding around right?

Me and Koons have known each other for years.  :awetongue:

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    #757350 - 11/15/14 10:35 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

:frown:

I like to think of it as stirring the pot. Me and you make up like 20% of the posts made on this forum in the last week.


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    #757352 - 11/15/14 10:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

YOU ACTUALLY HAD ME GOING!

YOU JERK.

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    #757353 - 11/15/14 10:40 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I like to think of it as stirring the pot. Me and you make up like 20% of the posts made on this forum in the last week.





lol.....I'm still laughing. Thanks man. :lmafo:


Well I gotta go spread some pollen. Today is Sweet 16 and Gina day. (gina is a strain of mine not just the rag who is yelling at me for working in the garden all night). :justdontknow:

You know I had to buy a house in Australia to keep this one happy :rolleyes:

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    #757354 - 11/15/14 10:41 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

What was the Gina make up?

I have a million things to do myself. I think I'll start doing those now.


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    #757356 - 11/15/14 10:45 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Gina--Sweet 16 X GDP x Trainwreck

Have a good one :elmo:

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    #757363 - 11/15/14 11:47 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

and it's named after your lady?

Is she a sweet trainwreck? :crazy: jk


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    #757380 - 11/15/14 12:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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and it's named after your lady?

Is she a sweet trainwreck? :crazy: jk




Nah, she's actually the glue that keeps the business and the household together. I let her deal with the clubs, make all the appointments and crap while I just have to grow nowadays.


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YOU ACTUALLY HAD ME GOING!

YOU JERK.

I started to get the feels.




You handled it rather well with your response. I thought for sure I'd get ya to crack on that one. :crazy2::lol::crazy2:


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    #757478 - 11/15/14 05:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Dr Bud is a retard from what I can see.




:lol: dude you almost made me choke on a pop tart.

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He is using as he puts it

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1176 Watts of CFL's under Flower at once




OMG how stupid is this. CFL lights for one are not cooler then HID lights. With less then 350watts of hid he could be getting the same amount of light he's getting with 1176 of cfl light. Ahhhhh...I'll save this for another day.




The photos of his buds are impressive with what he's working with. it gives me hope with my little dinky set up. :wink: don't rain on my parade Magash. :sad:

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Now that striping on your leaves I've only seen a few times and it was caused (in my case) by some disease that was caused by plant pests. Revive works well for fixing plants.





Well that doesn't surprise me. the soil i bought from home depot is infested with all kinds of macroscopic bug life. I of course did not know until i looked at the drain holes wit a macro lens.  :whoa:
you sure it doesn't look like Mag def? or a zinc def? all the leaves i've compared it to on the internets point to those two?


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Now training the plant the way you did is cool but with a plant that small you're gonna have a bunch of tiny little buds. Try (if you're bored and want more smoke) to do a larger amount of untopped plants in one space. (it worked for me anyway)
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yes exactly what i intended to do! i cloned a bunch in that box below the
table, i was gonna let them veg for a week or so and throw them in the 12/12.

I don't really smoke much, actually, i'm trying to find a plant that works for me for my medical needs (we talked about your Cannibal strain in your haze thread a few weeks ago for this reason) once i get that i'll be smoking everyday but this grow hobby i picked up is mostly for my wife smoke-o-saurus rex.
This is what happens when she doesn't get her smoke on for the day:

t=55s

SO yeah, i'm just trying to grow as many nuggets as i can with what i got to keep her at bay
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    #757480 - 11/15/14 05:57 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I've heard good things about Revive. I've never used it, I think it came out after I ran AN.

As for the soil, you can pasteurize it next time. My friend on his first grow bought a crap ton of soil because he was scared of plant counts. He lived somewhere where he figured 3 is the number so he bought some huge ass planters I forgot the exact size and baked soil to kill everything in it. If you care about soil biology, which is beneficial to root growth and general plant health, you could inoculate it with tea or just add a bunch of worm castings.


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    #757484 - 11/15/14 06:13 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Most like the bugs are fungus gnats or thrips in the soil you just bought.

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you sure it doesn't look like Mag def? or a zinc def? all the leaves i've compared it to on the internets point to those two?





Fucking shit I'm a retard. I put up the pic of the revive and didn't tell why. If you have a mild nutrient def then use the revive. For bugs use azamax its suppose to be harmless to people.

Damn that was stupid of me. :justdontknow: (shut up Koons)

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don't rain on my parade Magash. :sad:




I'm not, I think you can do better.


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    #764130 - 01/02/15 04:03 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

well Magash, you predicted just everything that was gonna happen.

I did/do have thrips and the fungus gnats.

The thrips, i find maybe one or two grubs about once a week and i go over just about every leaf every night to kill those little snotty motherfuckers.

The fungus gnats are more of an annoyance than anything.

you said i would have issues with light penetrating the canvas,
and now all the undergrowth (that i probably should have pulled out earlier) are all pale & limp. I tried to put a CFL down there to give them a little more light but it's been a week and there is really no difference.
Unless you guys say otherwise, i am going to pull the undergrowth.
My only concern is if it will interfere with flowering (branch tips just now started budding/flowering)

I didn't realize it but for a few months, there was major light leakage
coming in from the curtain that extended my 12/12 cycle into more like 18/6.  :foreheadslap:

So without further rambling, here is my puny little plant that isn't so puny anymore:

The plant is about 3 feet tall from the top of the pot.
I put sticks between the branches so the colas aren't soo crowded together.
so much for 'cool little bonsai's eh? :lol: :smirk:

Here is the bottom undergrowth looking like day old salad:



and here is the PE:



I've had a stigma against this plant because it's more shrubby than it is branchy & didn't really train as easily as the BD.
but i think it was mostly because my buddy gave my wife a dried up plant for free (that had the same characteristics) because he said it wasn't worth his time trimming it. (it had little pocket buds at the nodes instead of colas)

SO i just assumed that i'd get the same deal. but that's really not the case,
There s flowering going on the entire length of the branches, more so than the BD.

well I've rambled enough. time for Z's.
oh, can anyone predict how much longer i've got until harvest? it's been foreverrrrrrrrrrrr  :facepalm:


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    #764148 - 01/02/15 12:01 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

How long to harvest??
Hmm... well if light was preventing a 12/12 or less schedule,  um... about 8 weeks perhaps. (Or more)
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    #764164 - 01/02/15 02:28 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Use Monterey's Garden Spray with Spinosad to quickly and efficiently destroy thrips. I'm not sure how well it works on others, but its a guaranteed/safe/organic/effective solution against thrips.


Thripe damage


Typically found on the underside of the leaf, often next to the vein hiding.


life cycle. Later in life they turn black (some) and start to fly. I though I was dealing with Gnats because of it (I could have been also) but they went away with thrips.

The solution:


Its a bacteria they found it in the 70's under a defunct sugar cane factory in the Caribbean and have found that it is like a thrip apocalypse.  Usually one spray will cut their numbers back to near extinction, but a second spray a week or two later and you'll be thrip free for awhile. I get them seasonally because I live next to grain fields that get harvested twice a year.

I would start with that if you can confirm you have thrips, then get something that treats fungus gnats if you still have the problem.


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    #764273 - 01/03/15 09:07 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

i'll keep it in mind if t gets out of control. The thrips i have never get passed the 2nd stage. just lethargic fat little grubs (i read they were called greenhouse thrips). i've only found 2 in the passed week of daily heavy inspection of both sides of the leaves. they also only hang out in the middle section of the plant.

I've been experimenting with Coco/perlite instead of soil in hopes it will reduce the bugs, the only downside i can see is the plants show deficiencies alot easier than soil plants go. I'm assuming there isn't much micronutrients as there is in soil.

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    #764933 - 01/11/15 04:07 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Pic update:
Here's a shot of the BD, gettin fatter, she's about 3 feet tall from the top of the pot:


a little closer:


obligatory cola shot:


she's starting to fill in with buds :feelspokeman:


Here's the PE, she's a shorty, about 2 feet tall:


If you zoom in you can see Thrip damage/residue on one of the fan leaves in this first pic. I'm trying hard to keep them under control without having to resort to pesticides. I inspect just about every leaf every day,
I also use a vaccuum+hose with the brush attachment and vacuum the undersides of the leaves with an upward stroke from the bottom to the top. It works great with no damage to the plant.



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    #764949 - 01/11/15 12:49 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Dang those are pretty nice for flowering under the t5 !  Thats y your plants got so tall and strechy.

I would be careful with that light on the ground two. Something falls,next thing you know your house is on fire.


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    #764955 - 01/11/15 01:44 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

For your thrips, a non-pesticide approach that may be more effective than using a vacuum cleaner, try these:

1.  Predatory nematodes.  Also very effective against fungal gnat larvae.
2.  Sticky blue traps for the thrips.  Sticky yellow traps if gnats.
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    #764994 - 01/11/15 06:14 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Montereys is gentle on the plants, I've even sprayed unrooted clones and had no problems. Nothing else seems to get rid of them, only cut their numbers. Your early enough into flower that you'll be fine using it.

Your infection looks pretty mild. I usually just left the thrips go at it if they came back during flower. For the most part they seem to like the lower leaf and avoid the sticky resin areas. I think if you left those plants as they are and then treated the next batch of plants with spinosad you'll be fine. Your already killing them off as you see them, and its not hard to spot new damage.

Before I had the spinosad I would crush the one's next to the veins with my fingernail against the leaf, and the one's in the open just crush/rub out with my finger. Its kind of fun when your on a roll.

I also used a wet sponge to wipe down the under side of leaves to try and mechanically remove any eggs that might be on there, cleaning it from time to time so to not just wipe them on to other leaves.


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