Home | Community | Message Board


World Seed Supply
Please support our sponsors.

Community >> The Smoke Lounge

Welcome to the Growery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Amazon Shop for: Delicious Bacon, Fresh Lard, Hemp, Petri Dish

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflineTomCollins


Registered: 10/06/09
Posts: 2,943
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Another glorious victory against vegans!
    #657879 - 02/07/13 02:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Aaahhh! I love scientific inquiry, especially when it backhands the most logically absent mantras on healthy diet and lifestyle.

Quote:

Methods: Interventions Replacement of dietary saturated fats (from animal fats, common margarines, and shortenings) with omega 6 linoleic acid (from safflower oil and safflower oil polyunsaturated margarine). Controls received no specific dietary instruction or study foods. All non-dietary aspects were designed to be equivalent in both groups.

Conclusion: In this cohort, substituting dietary linoleic acid in place of saturated fats increased the rates of death from all causes, coronary heart disease, and cardiovascular disease.




Here is a list of poly-unsaturated fats, percentage indicates increase in risk of CHD and CVD compared to saturated fat from butter and lard.

Quote:

Salicornia oil - 75%
Safflower oil - 74.62%
Evening Primrose oil - 73%
Poppyseed oil - 70%
Grape seed oil - 69.6%
Sunflower oil - 65.7%
Hemp oil - 60%
Corn oil - 59%
Wheat germ oil - 55%
Cottonseed oil - 54%
Soybean oil - 51%
Walnut oil - 51%
Sesame oil - 45%
Rice bran oil - 39%
Argan oil - 37%
Pistachio oil - 32.7%
Peanut oil - 32%
Almonds - 24%
Canola oil - 21%
Chicken fat - 18-23%




Too bad about the hemp. We could burn some of these oils probably.

It seems like good ol butter is here to save the day, by making our hearts healthy beating machines!

But on a more serious note, be very careful around your health professionals, especially if they try to give you advice with diet or lifestyle.

Whenever my doctors give me advice, I always question it and read whatever academic literature on the internet I can.

The relationship between cannabis and psychiatric disorders for example, is not positive at all, but the methodology of the studies is idiotic - the studies don't actually prove anything because in many cases, there are huge confounders.

This is the case in nutrition too. For a while people thought coffee was unhealthy and causes cancer, until they discovered lots of coffee drinkers smoke cigarettes and there are still people around who think saturated fat clogs arteries.

These are some of the people giving you advice on how to be healthy and what to feed your children.

It's because of this that the last 60 years of health policy in the west, has resulted in an ocean of blistering hemorrhaging blobs for people, of which we're all aware.

So please, if you know a vegan, a vegetarian or anyone that follows either a low-fat, high-fiber or the American Diabetes Association recommended diet eat a stick of butter in front of them and if they so much as say anything, give them this link:

http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707


--------------------
andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657884 - 02/07/13 03:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fail to see how this proves anything Spencer.

Also a little thought, you should thank each and every one of us for lowering the demand for your dietary content thereby decreasing cost. There are only so much resources to go around. Some day we may all be vegans, choice or not.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineNothing Is


Registered: 05/02/08
Posts: 590
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins] * 1
    #657885 - 02/07/13 03:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just because you're vegan doesn't mean it's wise to eat too much vegetable oils. But a responsible vegan diet beats the bullshit most Americans eat and I don't need a study to know that's right.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineTomCollins


Registered: 10/06/09
Posts: 2,943
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: drawde]
    #657908 - 02/07/13 04:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
Fail to see how this proves anything Spencer.




:lolsy: Did you read the study? lol I don't know how it could be more clear.

No but srsly, what I'm showing here is that many health professionals (doctors, epidemiologists, nutritionists, health workers, social policy makers, bob marleys, etc) are just as misinformed as the people they're trying to help, and our model for scientific inquiry has severe flaws in this field. This has led to massive population wide problems, but we all know this.

But also, if this flew over your head, the other reason I posted this was to inform the community about possible misinformation they may believe. So in that effect, I'm doing a public service and you should thank me - but you don't have to! :yesnod:

Quote:

drawde said:
Also a little thought, you should thank each and every one of us for lowering the demand for your dietary content thereby decreasing cost. There are only so much resources to go around. Some day we may all be vegans, choice or not.




You (along with others) are lowering the demand of my dietary content?  Butter and meat? Fruits and veggies?  :shrug:

Do you even know where you are right now? :vaped:


--------------------
andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineTomCollins


Registered: 10/06/09
Posts: 2,943
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657909 - 02/07/13 04:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also, veganism will always be a choice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat


--------------------
andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657910 - 02/07/13 04:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It doesn't prove anything about vegetarianism/veganism... its about specific types of oils, not sure how that could be any more clear. There are a substantial amount of other factors to take into consideration before drawing such a correlation, of which the study does not do.

By choosing not to consume animal products, which are the most expensive kind to begin with, I lower the demand and increase the supply... basic economics- cheaper for those who do consume those products.


Edited by drawde (02/07/13 04:56 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: drawde]
    #657911 - 02/07/13 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also I don't understand the sample population chosen, seems like they need some control groups.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleMagashM
The Feminizer
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/21/08
Posts: 6,498
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657912 - 02/07/13 04:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Here we go on this stupid argument again on which diet is the best I see it coming.


It's as simple as this. We live in America folks (most of us here do anyway) the rule here is, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you eat to much of it.

:omgawesome:


--------------------
All creatures tremble when faced with violence. All creatures fear death, all love life. If we can only see ourselves in others, then how could we possibly hurt another creature?


:growingweed: Join us at the Growery! :growingweed:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657914 - 02/07/13 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Spency said:
Also, veganism will always be a choice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat




For the affluent


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: Magash]
    #657916 - 02/07/13 04:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Magash said:
Here we go on this stupid argument again on which diet is the best I see it coming.


It's as simple as this. We live in America folks (most of us here do anyway) the rule here is, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you eat to much of it.

:omgawesome:




Nah man.. this is about a study.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineTomCollins


Registered: 10/06/09
Posts: 2,943
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: Magash]
    #657917 - 02/07/13 04:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
Also I don't understand the sample population chosen, seems like they need some control groups.




They had one experimental and a control. It's right in the abstract!

Quote:

Magash said:
Here we go on this stupid argument again on which diet is the best I see it coming.




lolsy... so much hostility....

I mean I don't know what dwardes talking about but I posted about the controversy behind poly vs saturated fats, and just added in a personal annotation about epidemio-history.

Anyway, back on topic...

It's just amusing that the worst tasting oils are also the most toxic, but they're marketed as safe alternatives. It's really terrible and we should be cautious!


--------------------
andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657918 - 02/07/13 05:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I mean controls as in, individuals without recent coronary problems.
All you could possibly say from this is poly's could be a problem if you have had problems. :shrug:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineTomCollins


Registered: 10/06/09
Posts: 2,943
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: drawde]
    #657919 - 02/07/13 05:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
For the affluent




I love debating...

Apparently the real cost behind en vitro meat is the nutrient soup they have to grow the meat in, BUT....

Quote:

Commercial: The growth medium should be inexpensive to produce.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat#cite_note-discovery_2008-28

Also, according to this article http://discovermagazine.com/2008/oct/22-ill-have-my-burger-petri-dish-bred#.URQj3KXC1zA

The new plant based growth mediums they're working on will be vegan compliant! So you can eat it meat in the future too with your hippy friends!


--------------------
andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineTomCollins


Registered: 10/06/09
Posts: 2,943
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: drawde]
    #657922 - 02/07/13 05:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
I mean controls as in, individuals without recent coronary problems.
All you could possibly say from this is poly's could be a problem if you have had problems. :shrug:




It's a cohort. They selected 458 men with events, there were many people without events in the study.

You can't study heart disease on people who don't get it. lol.


--------------------
andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleStonethM
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/06/08
Posts: 24,084
Loc: No where ville, USA Flag
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: Magash]
    #657923 - 02/07/13 05:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Magash said:
Here we go on this stupid argument again on which diet is the best I see it coming.


It's as simple as this. We live in America folks (most of us here do anyway) the rule here is, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you eat to much of it.

:omgawesome:



:ilold::getstoned:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineGreenHorns
boulevardier
Male


Registered: 01/10/13
Posts: 1,191
Loc: funkytown Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657933 - 02/07/13 05:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i read this as "intravenous" and got images of someone mainlining bacon drippings.

Quote:

Spency said:

Quote:

Methods: Interventions Replacement of dietary saturated fats


--------------------
wiggy wham wham wazzle


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: TomCollins]
    #657935 - 02/07/13 05:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What really gets me here spencer is your attitude. This is a meta-analysis of 458 people studied in the 70s. Some glorious victory. :rolleyes:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleDeadkndys420
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/28/12
Posts: 7,834
Loc: █████
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: drawde]
    #657942 - 02/07/13 06:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
By choosing not to consume animal products





Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledrawde
 Arcade Champion: Balloon Bomber

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 4,789
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #657944 - 02/07/13 06:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We are discussing diet not lifestyle. Diet is entirely possible.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineGreenHorns
boulevardier
Male


Registered: 01/10/13
Posts: 1,191
Loc: funkytown Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: Another glorious victory against vegans! [Re: drawde]
    #657947 - 02/07/13 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

thats a funny pic none the less.


--------------------
wiggy wham wham wazzle


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]

Amazon Shop for: Delicious Bacon, Fresh Lard, Hemp, Petri Dish

Community >> The Smoke Lounge

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* I am now a vegetarian who is with ME???????
( 1 2 3 4 all )
SalviaNshrooms9090 5,851 68 08/29/11 12:27 PM
by THEBats
* Vegetarians / Vegans
( 1 2 all )
beatyou 2,462 26 06/20/08 03:14 PM
by THEBats
* Going Partly Vegan NobodyImportant 871 8 09/17/11 10:46 AM
by CosmicFool
* been kinda sick lately
( 1 2 3 4 all )
FRACTALife 6,253 63 10/27/10 10:26 PM
by Slave of Cthulhu
* So unhealthy... Slave of Cthulhu 1,134 15 04/14/11 11:36 PM
by alienscience
* Smoking weed
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
Steve Buscemi 6,627 88 07/09/10 01:35 AM
by Kilroy
* another let's bitch about taking a tolerance break thread.... *DELETED*
( 1 2 all )
Pandor 5,461 22 10/04/11 01:50 PM
by iam23
* post reasons for butthurtedness here
( 1 2 3 all )
impgl
4,594 45 11/09/08 01:30 PM
by impgl

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: FurrowedBrow, Harry_Ba11sach, Stoneth, Dr. Siekadellyk
1,298 topic views. 2 members, 122 guests and 367 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Sporeworks
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2016 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.071 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 16 queries.