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Sham87 said:
mmmm I get mine in two

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still beLIEve said:
In my experience with Kratom there is a very, very thin line between feeling good and feeling sick.

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It's mostly the white vein strains, or any maeng da variety, that tends to induce a somewhat nauseated/dizzy shit feeling if I take a wee bit too much.


Over the years I've found there is a sweet spot or certain range in the dosage that works for me, that spot may be different for everyone.

2.5g on an empty stomach, followed by another gram or two after a snack is what works for me. Even after years of using this leaf daily, with occasional breaks, that amount will have me feeling like sunshine.

Taking more than 5g at once is too much for me...I'll feel nauseated, light headed & dizzy, hot & sweaty, just crappy all around. If there is a certain occasion that I do want to take more than my usual two teaspoons a day, I find it's best for me to space out that amount...something like taking 3g, after 30 minutes I'll take another 3g, then another 1g to 2g 30 minutes after that for a total of around 8 grams over a 90 minute period.




I've started going through a new vendor...very happy with the quality, on par with the other vendor I've gone through for a while but considerably cheaper. And they have green malay, which I haven't had in a long while, hands down my favorite strain.





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iStoner said:
i NEVER forget that snack/food after about 20-30min after dosing. Otherwise the dose just isnt as strong.

I've been using about 5-6grams lately. Trying to lower my dosage though. Shouldn't be hard.

Im running low, and so are funds.

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Indeed, I also wait about 20 to 30 minutes. Definitely notice a difference. I also try to have that snack be something wholesome... usually fruit or avocado, or something simple like an egg on toast with a bunch of black pepper & cayenne pepper (both of which have potential for potentiation, but larger amounts would likely be needed for it to be really noticeable)


When using kratom my meals & snacks are centered around the times I take it, gives a nice "structure" to my munching through out the day. I tend to eat a bit cleaner/healthier and less sugar through the day when using the leaf also.


I've been on a break for the past week or so, should be getting some later next week. I calculated my average daily intake over the past few months (not including the days I'm on break, only the days I take it), came out to 4.6 grams a day. For the past few months I've been consistently using it daily for 4 weeks, then a break of 3 to 7 days between.





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poor boy said:
Do it!

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vinsue said:
Been thinking a lot about Kratom recently.
Any info out there about it's effect on liver/kidney function?
I guessing it shouldn't be too bad if I'm not a pig about my use.
I doubt it's any worse than other things I've done.

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As for the effect on the liver & kidneys...I've seen this discussed a few times on various online forums that are centered around kratom, though not in thorough detail.

Most of the discussion was stories from people that have been using the leaf more or less daily for at least a few years, that have also had regular blood work/check ups on vitals done over the years. Everyone of these people said that their blood work/checks ups showed no detrimental effect anywhere .

Now as far as these people's age, history of health/drug use, whether or not they have hepatitis, etc etc....I'm not sure.

Kratom is a diuretic, it makes me pee about as much  as coffee does (perhaps a little bit more)...So one has to stay plenty well hydrated when using the leaf.






Just going on my own feelings...I suspect this leaf is more therapeutic, healing, & cleansing on the body (and mind) than it is harmful. Of course moderation is key with everything, but even there I find kratom to be rather difficult to abuse...Considering it tends to have a "ceiling" for most people, where at a certain point taking more doesn't necessarily get you "more" (other than more of the undesirable side-effects like I mentioned in my post at the top of this page).

Like most medicinal plants, like cannabis, there's a whole bunch of alkaloids & active components in kratom that work in harmony with each other to provide a "whole" is greater than the sum of its parts. There are a few alkaloids in kratom that have affinity for opioid receptors, but if I remember correctly only one of the alkaloids is a full-agonist, another being a partial-agonist (so the the opioid receptors are not getting tickled anywhere as vigorously as they would from pharmaceutical opioids)....

....And I believe there is even an opioid-antagonist in the mix as well, which has a longer half-life than the agonists (So everything is in balance, just like how the CBD in cannabis balances out the effects of THC)....I believe this is why respiratory-depression does not seem to be an issue with kratom even though it does have some action on opioid receptors, I'm pretty sure there has never been a fatal overdose with kratom....

I think this is also why any "withdrawal" after regular use is relatively minimal to non-existent among most people. In my experience, any "withdrawal" lasts no more than 48 to 72 hours and mostly consists of a bit of lethargy through the day, perhaps a bit irritable, and some difficulty getting to sleep....but even then it's mostly just returning to how I feel with out the leaf....and when I taper my daily amounts down for a few days before taking a break there's practically no hint of any withdrawal. As far as cravings for it, I have none when I take breaks....I have more cravings for coffee and more difficulty taking a break from coffee than I do kratom.





Not to compare plants...but I consider kratom to be on par with cannabis as far as the medicinal potential and what it has to offer, and the way it seems to provide a "balancing" affect on the bodies various systems (and mind). Kratom is said to be loaded with anti-oxidants, I've heard more so than green tea.

Among all the alkaloids in kratom, here is the wide-array of properties this leaf holds (other than it's buzz).....Immuno-stimulant, potential cancer preventative, antioxidant, anti-aggregant, antibacterial, anti-diabetic, anti-hepatitic, anti-inflammatory, anti-leukemic, anti-mutagenic, antiviral,  anti-hypertensive. (Of course some of the alkaloids that hold those properties might only found in only trace amounts)



It's some terrific medicine. Gives me energy (depending on the strain), takes the edge of any anxiety, lifts my mood, makes me more social, relieves aches & pains, relaxes muscles, helps with sleep (depending on the strain), etc etc etc....




...anyway, sorry for the long ramble, I tend to do that sometimes. If anything it just goes to show how highly I hold this leaf...it's my favorite medicinal-plant, after cannabis.






-OM



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