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First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 76/Flowering Day 29) [Re: viper33802]
    #628063 - 06/16/12 12:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Ok guys I am now in my 5th week of flowering. I think I have the heat & phosphorus issues under control now. My only issue is the rate in which this hungry girl is sucking up that water. I am going to get a larger resivior for next time. It will save me a lot of work. I was looking for a black rubbermaid tub (or something similar) to use and a small water pump. I should have that done by the time  iam ready for the next run.

Here are a few new pics her. What do you guys think?


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 76/Flowering Day 29) [Re: viper33802]
    #628064 - 06/16/12 12:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

im havin the same issue with one of my plants sucking up about a gallon of water every day. topped it off last night with a half gallon, then another half gallon today and put in nutrients for 1 gallon.

i really wish i had an RO machine... and a larger res like you're talking about. definitely going to stick with hydro after this grow, but im going to get a better setup.

as for the buds, :awesome:

lookin really good. weird leaf tips curling down though. not sure what that is, but i know it's something. i can never remember.

hows the smell? weak/strong?


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 76/Flowering Day 29) [Re: Pilze]
    #628074 - 06/16/12 02:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

the smell is not too bad. keep in mind i am exhausting air into my attic. but non-the-less once you open that bedroom door it smacks you in the face. the buds themselves are getting a sweet almost citrus smell. The buds smell strong but overall not too strong. it is taking restraint not to go grab a lower bud to try.

As for the leaves, the tips are burnt and not going to straighten back out. This is my theory to what caused it. I think there are 3 contributing factors:

1 - It was way too hot in there for a while (about 90F) until i added the exhaust. that lowered it to about 85F. Now adding the A/C it is at about 78-80F. Not where I would like it but better than where it was. once i get a better hood that should be resolved 100%

2 - As we talked about previously I for sure was having a phosphorus issue. now it is corrected but some damage is done

3 - (This is what I am blaming the phosphorus on) My resivior size. I can add nutes in the AM and get the pH to a perfect 6.0 but about 10 hours later (and 1/2 gal less nutes)the pH is always way too high.

The swing in pH throughout the day is causing the plant not to be able to absorb the phosphorus. Or that is my theory anyway.


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 76/Flowering Day 29) [Re: viper33802]
    #628076 - 06/16/12 02:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

drop the ph to 5.5


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: Pilze]
    #628912 - 06/22/12 06:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Just a minor update for yous guys. I have made quite a few mods to my grow space. I have now upgraded to 600w HPS. Also, I have added mylar sheeting to my walls. I have also made a "ghetto" mode to my cheap reflector. I added two pieces of glass, ducting, and 2 120mm 12vdc fans. What a difference it has made to my growspace.

First, changing from 400w to 600w raised my room temp by about 10 degrees. OUCH!

I lined my walls with mylar.

So I then tried to add 1 piece of glass to my reflector to make my own air cooled reflector. I added ducting & fans. It worked ok but nothing great. So I then decided to add another piece of glass under the first an made an air baffle to draw the air between the pieces on glass. Wow, what a difference. My room is now cooler than ever before (w/ the 400w bulb)

I also tapped into my ac ducting to bring fresh a/c into my grow space instead of just blowing fresh air in.

**My TDS meter should arrive today

I know this girl has gotten heat stressed but I am trying to learn from my mistakes to prepare for my next grow. What do you guys think?



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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: viper33802]
    #628921 - 06/22/12 09:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

man you did a lot of work! i like the upgrade from 400 to 600 HPS. check out air cooled hoods after this grow. theyre really nice to have. although yours seems to do the job! only thing is, you want tempered glass, not just any glass will work.

what kind of TDS meter did you end up ordering? the one you linked me to? i picked up a truncheon yesterday, that thing is fucking awesome! if your TDS meter ends up screwing up, i would look into bluelab :smile: theyre expensive, but they're pretty important investments. you wont be sorry.

BTW is that just one plant? i probably know this but i just woke up and ma brain is fuzzy.


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: Pilze]
    #628923 - 06/22/12 09:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Pilze said:

BTW is that just one plant? i probably know this but i just woke up and ma brain is fuzzy.




Yeah man, only one lonely girl. next go round gonnna have two, & the larger reservoir. that fans got to get off the floor soon. Like my 8000 lumens of supplemental CFL light getting to those lower buds?


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: viper33802]
    #628926 - 06/22/12 09:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yea i want to find a better hydro setup next grow. larger res and my own RO machine is going to make things a hell of a lot easier.

didnt even see that extra lighting. thats going to make a nice difference. i need to think of a way to get my T5 setup in my tent...


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: Pilze]
    #628939 - 06/22/12 10:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Pilze said:
i need to think of a way to get my T5 setup in my tent...




If you have another outlet on your timer hook it up. hang it from your tent sideways with some hemp twine (or whatever you got laying around). Why not? what could it hurt?

What did you have in mind as far as a hydro setup for your next grow?


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: viper33802]
    #628942 - 06/22/12 10:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

my light turns on in 10 minutes. im going to check everything and see if i can figure out a way to set up my T5s

idk what kind of hydro setup im going to use next time. i need to keep looking around at different styles. maybe a 2x4 ebb and flow tray. thats what my grow tent was made for.


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: Pilze]
    #628948 - 06/22/12 11:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Pilze said:
my light turns on in 10 minutes. im going to check everything and see if i can figure out a way to set up my T5s

idk what kind of hydro setup im going to use next time. i need to keep looking around at different styles. maybe a 2x4 ebb and flow tray. thats what my grow tent was made for.



Dont forget to take pictures... :cool:


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: viper33802]
    #628949 - 06/22/12 11:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

oh i did. lol

ill post them on my grow log in a minute, gotta upload. it wont be in the grow log section of the post, not the first post. but the newest one. im trying to keep my log from getting too full of unnecessary pictures and just post updates every week of flowering.


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: viper33802]
    #628967 - 06/22/12 01:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

viper33802 said:
So I then tried to add 1 piece of glass to my reflector to make my own air cooled reflector. I added ducting & fans. It worked ok but nothing great. So I then decided to add another piece of glass under the first an made an air baffle to draw the air between the pieces on glass. Wow, what a difference. My room is now cooler than ever before (w/ the 400w bulb)

 




What do ya'll think of my "modified" reflector? I am quite proud of that monstrosity.


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Re: First DWC bagseed 400w MH/HPS (Day 83/Flowering Day 36) [Re: viper33802]
    #628969 - 06/22/12 01:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Not bad for a jimmy rig.


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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.

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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 86/Flowering Day 39) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #629373 - 06/25/12 06:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

OK GUYS I NEED HELP!! I HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!

Here are a few pics from yesterday morning




Here are pics from this evening



Here is a quick summary
Hydro Growers:
1. Are you growing from seed or clones? seed (unknown genetics)
2. How old are your plants? 86 days
3. How tall are your plants? 32"
4. What type of hydro system are you using? DWC 5GL Bucket system (No top feed)
5. What brand/type of nutrients are you using? Botanicare Pure Blend
6. What is the Ph of your nutrient solution? 5.5 - 6.0
7. What is the PPM/EC of your tap water? 150ppm
8. What is the PPM/EC of your nutrient solution? Bloom 1000ppm/25ml  Hydroplex 200ppm/5ml
9. What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? 73F night  79F day (add frozen water bottle twice a day)
10. Does your PPM/EC show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check? fall; but yesterday rise, fall again today
11. Does your pH show a rise or fall when you do your daily check? rise
12. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything? tap water, 3-5 times total, 2 during flower
13. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? 600w HPS with 108w CFL
14. How close are your lights to the plants?HPS - 14" CFL - 8"
15. What size is your grow space in square feet? 15 SQFT
16. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space? 72F night 80F day
17. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space? none
18. How much experience do you have growing? 1 previous soil grow

I have had a dark root issue for a while. I have added 3-5ml 35% H2O2 a few times to combat that but not for more than a week. I notice some new white root growth up high. Is that a sign my other roots are dying? Also, as anyone who has been following this thread knows I have had curled leaf tips since shortly after starting flowering. I have tried to get my room temp lowered to help this thinking it may be heat related. I also starting adding Hydroplex to supplement phosphorus. After I started adding the Hydroplex the number of leaves I was loosing dropped so I thought I resolved the issue.

Now as of today, I have a lot of leaves that have yellowed and developed necrotic spots in a short amount of time. What do you guys think? I tried to provide as much information as possible but if I messed something please ask. Any assistance would be awesome.


mod: can/should I duplicate post in Doctor's Diagnosis?


Edited by viper33802 (06/25/12 06:32 PM)


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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 86/Flowering Day 39) [Re: viper33802] * 1
    #629411 - 06/26/12 01:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What the hell is the temp of your water.  Your roots look like shit.


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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 86/Flowering Day 39) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #629439 - 06/26/12 05:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9. What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? 73F night  79F day (add frozen water bottle twice a day)

But let me clarify. As soon as I got my 600w bulb in about 2 weeks ago my temps shot up. my nute solution had to be close to 85F for a day or so. To assist in lowering that temp I wrapped my bucket in mylar so it would reflect the light instead of absorbing the heat. I also built the "ghetto reflector" then too. I have a small desktop fan blowing on my bucket. Now my water temps are about where they were before 77-79 during the day. I have done everything I can think of to lower my temp. Well, except use a second ac unit. I cannot afford to do that nor do I think it should be needed. But a 600w bulb in a small 15 SQFT area... that is a lot of heat for that small space.


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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 86/Flowering Day 39) [Re: viper33802]
    #629440 - 06/26/12 06:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

what do you guys think about this?



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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 86/Flowering Day 39) [Re: viper33802]
    #629441 - 06/26/12 06:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I just Made a modification to my grow space. I added a horizontal sheet of mylar at the height of the bucket. I cut slits  in the sheet to allow the plant to slide in. Then I added a small fan to circulate air through the shaded covered area



I hope his will help. Does it look too late to help at this point?


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Re: First DWC bagseed 600w MH/HPS (Day 88/Flowering Day 41) [Re: viper33802]
    #629545 - 06/27/12 06:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

well, she is dying. yesterday she did not hardly absorb any nutes. I am beginning a flush today as I don't think she will make it another week. I will start a new grow of Black Widow in about a week or so. I will keep you guys posted.


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