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US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries
    #590875 - 10/06/11 08:04 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/06/ap/business/main20116878.shtml

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Feds target Calif. pot dispensaries for closure

(AP)  SAN FRANCISCO — Federal prosecutors have launched a crackdown on pot dispensaries in California, warning the stores that they must shut down in 45 days or face criminal charges and confiscation of their property even if they are operating legally under the state's 15-year-old medical marijuana law.

In an escalation of the ongoing conflict between the U.S. government and the nation's burgeoning medical marijuana industry, at least 16 pot shops or their landlords received letters this week stating they are violating federal drug laws, even though medical marijuana is legal in California. The state's four U.S. attorneys were scheduled Friday to announce a broader coordinated crackdown.

Their offices refused Thursday to confirm the closure orders. The Associated Press obtained copies of the letters that a prosecutor sent to at least 12 San Diego dispensaries. They state that federal law "takes precedence over state law and applies regardless of the particular uses for which a dispensary is selling and distributing marijuana."

"Under United States law, a dispensary's operations involving sales and distribution of marijuana are illegal and subject to criminal prosecution and civil enforcement actions," according to the letters signed by U.S. Attorney Laura Duffy in San Diego. "Real and personal property involved in such operations are subject to seizure by and forfeiture to the United States ... regardless of the purported purpose of the dispensary."

The move comes a little more than two months after the Obama administration toughened its stand on medical marijuana. For two years before that, federal officials had indicated they would not move aggressively against dispensaries in compliance with laws in the 16 states where pot is legal for people with doctors' recommendations.

The Department of Justice issued a policy memo to federal prosecutors in late June stating that marijuana dispensaries and licensed growers in states with medical marijuana laws could face prosecution for violating federal drug and money-laundering laws. The effort to shutter California dispensaries appeared to be the most far-reaching effort so far to put that guidance into action.

"This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. The administration is simply making good on multiple threats issued since President Obama took office," said Kevin Sabet, a former adviser to the president's drug czar and a fellow at the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Substance Abuse Solutions. "The challenge is to balance the scarcity of law enforcement resources and the sanctity of this country's medication approval process. It seems like the administration is simply making good on multiple statements made previously to appropriately strike that balance."

Greg Anton, a lawyer who represents dispensary Marin Alliance for Medical Marijuana, said its landlord received an "extremely threatening" letter Wednesday invoking a federal law that imposes additional penalties for selling drugs within 1,000 feet of schools, parks and playgrounds.

The landlord was ordered to evict the 14-year-old pot club or risk imprisonment, plus forfeiture of the property and all the rent he has collected while the dispensary has been in business, Anton said.

Marin Alliance's founder "has been paying state and federal taxes for 14 years, and they have cashed all the checks," he said. "All I hear from Obama is whining about his budget, but he has money to do this which will actually reduce revenues."

Kris Hermes, a spokesman for the medical marijuana advocacy group Americans for Safe Access, said the warnings are part of what appears to be an attempt by the Obama administration to curb medical marijuana on multiple fronts and through multiple agencies. A series of dispensary raids in Montana, for example, involved agents from not only the FBI and U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, but the Internal Revenue Service and Environmental Protection Agency.

Going after property owners is not a new tactic though, Hermes said. Five years ago, the Department of Justice under President George W. Bush made similar threats to about 300 Los Angeles-area landlords who were renting space to medical marijuana outlets, some of whom were eventually evicted or closed their doors voluntarily, he said.

"It did have an impact. However, the federal government never acted on its threats, never prosecuted anybody, never even went to court to begin prosecutions," Hermes said. "By and large, they were empty threats, but they relied on them and the cost of postage to shut down as many facilities as they could without having to engage in criminal enforcement activity."

Besides the dozen dispensaries in San Diego and the one in Marin County, at least three shops in San Francisco already have received closure notices, said Dale Gieringer, director of the California chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.

The San Diego medical marijuana outlets put on notice were the same 12 that city officials sued last month for operating illegally, after activists there threatened to force an election on a zoning plan adopted to regulate the city's fast-growing medical marijuana industry, City Attorney Jan Goldsmith said. A judge on Wednesday ordered nine of the targeted shops to close, while the other three shut down voluntarily, Goldsmith said.

Duffy, the U.S. attorney for far Southern California, planned to issue warning letters to property owners and all of the 180 or so dispensaries that have proliferated in San Diego in the absence of compromise regulations, according to Goldsmith.

"The real power is with the federal government," he said. "They have the asset forfeiture, and that means either the federal government will own a lot of property or these landlords will evict a lot of dispensaries."





It's being talked about every where else I turn.  I might as well bring it up here for discussion.  Or just to make anyone else aware of this.  I was at a hydro store today and learned that the dispensaries up here are really preparing for this.  This press conference tomorrow should be interesting and deplorable. 


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #590880 - 10/06/11 08:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: RasJeph]
    #590881 - 10/06/11 08:43 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

i read the first half then got bored and skimmed

shit makes me sick. don't sit right with me at all.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: RasJeph]
    #590883 - 10/06/11 08:47 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Seriously.
What a disappointment.:frown:


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: iwasaClown]
    #590888 - 10/06/11 09:01 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

The same thing happened here, there is no doubt it will go nationwide.Oh well, not a great loss, IMO most were way over priced any way. Wondering what will happen in Colorado, from what Ive seen on the news the state invested quite a bit of manpower to inspect grows and dispensaries, if they close them down,some state employees jobs will be lost.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: iam23]
    #590893 - 10/06/11 10:58 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Election season.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: Steve Buscemi]
    #590921 - 10/07/11 01:08 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Marijuana has always been a political issue. Theres 90,000 MM cardholders in my state. At over 100 dollars per registration, it keeps some state workers employed. Wondering if it might be a break-even kinda thing, wherein the state doesnt profit that much.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #590923 - 10/07/11 01:27 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

It's a shame how federal law can override a local, state law.

This is fucked; the people want medical marijuana. :rabble:

This kind of shit makes me think that the government is seriously profiting from
MJ being illegal... but, how? Through arrests? Through dirty business with cartels?
Reptilians? :ancientaliens:?

We live in fucking bizzaro world!


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: m00nshine]
    #590965 - 10/07/11 11:34 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, , its the other way around, it was voted in. The consensus is that they want people to closet their use. Its probably a fair trade, considering the benefits of legal use. Its just my opinion, no need to flame. MM is here to stay, until complete legalization, that is.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: RasJeph]
    #590969 - 10/07/11 11:44 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, what's obama going to say about it I wonder?

I'm preparing to rage pretty hardcore and getting me some protest thangs.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #590971 - 10/07/11 11:47 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

From FSR's "fuck the MPAA" I say. "Back the fuck off or you're fuckin dead, yellin 1337 on a motherfuckin fed "... "fuck what you heard, it's all a scam, if they at your door burn em in a van."


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #590977 - 10/07/11 12:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, I would rather closet my use and remain legal. Closing dispensaries doesnt affect card holders that much where I am. They didnt start popping up until a couple years after the law was passed and werent open very long. Most people grow their own or have a caregiver. The only people it affected were the owners of the dispensaries, at least here, anyway.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: iam23]
    #591058 - 10/07/11 05:37 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #591088 - 10/07/11 09:54 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul 2012 end Federal prohibition. Abolish the DEA.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: DungenessDank]
    #591089 - 10/07/11 09:56 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Hes starting to look better and better by the day to be honest.

I still dislike his pro-life stance, but if I have to sacrifice one belief to support many others I guess thats how its gotta be.


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    #591090 - 10/07/11 10:01 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Some bitch once said "Ron Paul supporters are white males who care more about their right to smoke pot than a woman's right to her own body", which was a huge fucking fallacy. I don't know if anyone wants to be bored by the libertarian stance on abortion, but essentially there is none. It is an individual choice.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #591354 - 10/09/11 09:53 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

nnnnooooooooooooooooo...


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: DungenessDank]
    #591448 - 10/10/11 03:46 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Some bitch once said "Ron Paul supporters are white males who care more about their right to smoke pot than a woman's right to her own body", which was a huge fucking fallacy. I don't know if anyone wants to be bored by the libertarian stance on abortion, but essentially there is none. It is an individual choice.




See, even I (who dislikes his pro-life stance) will understand that's a bullshit statement. If Ron Paul ever actually passed a Pro-life bill he's get bitch slapped by all his supporters, unless he included a state an opt-out ability. I mainly just dislike that he IS pro-life among other things. :shrug: But you already know I like him in congress, so I don't need to talk more.

I doubt he win's the nomination. I'll consider him if he makes it though, but until then I'm sticking with "anyone that's not republican." :lol:


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #591449 - 10/10/11 03:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

:cheers:

I'm confident he is going all the way, otherwise I'd have no reason to care about presidential politics. I vote for the guy who wants to kill the least amount of innocent people.


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Re: US Attorney's go after CA Dispensaries [Re: DungenessDank]
    #591451 - 10/10/11 04:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

What we need are more clandestine operations, snatchin' up peeps we don't like dawg. (As terrifying as it sounds, even to me, it's much MUCH better than a war). Whether you agree things like 9/11 were faked or not it's not hard to see that extended wars turn the people that disagree with them into doom-sayers who will believe anything that supports there cause. (Read: Youtube conspiracy theorists recording random things and ranting about how it's the NWO doing shit).

Not to bash conspiracy theorists, just when I see a video recording what is a completely typical con-trail trying to tell me it must be dangerous I have an urge to go drop kick small children. And people that think HAARP is out to control the weather, but this second one I get pissed much less about than the con-trail's must all be chem-trails videos.





BUT BACK ON TOPIC! :lol:

I am still confident that something will happen, but I think protesting is really going to be the best way to make sure our voices are heard about this. I borderline like that candidate that bashed the DEA/DA for these actions, it's like today's politicians can't google search/read the erowid article over marijuana. When they tell me WHY it's ok for it to be banned, and for alcohol and tobacco to be allowed to be recreational drugs I'll be able to tell them why they are stupid. :shrug:


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