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Are you really American? * 1
    #524709 - 02/08/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was thinking the other day about this.  I don't really consider myself to be an "American".  I never really gave much thought to reciting the pledge of allegiance, which is fucking crazy in the first place.  Anyway, I'm wondering if you guys and gals consider yourselves to be Americans (or British or where ever youre from)?  I am from america, but don't classify me as an american.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #524711 - 02/08/11 01:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a born and raised Texan.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #524714 - 02/08/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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FurrowedBrow said:
I was thinking the other day about this.  I don't really consider myself to be an "American".  I never really gave much thought to reciting the pledge of allegiance, which is fucking crazy in the first place.  Anyway, I'm wondering if you guys and gals consider yourselves to be Americans (or British or where ever youre from)?  I am from america, but don't classify me as an american.




I dunno, I think our Government is a joke.  I mean, I actually laugh sometimes when they're making speaches on tv n shit.  It's funny to me cuz it's horseshit.  I wish our soldiers the best.  I don't want any of them to get hurt, so I guess in that regard, I might be considered one.  But I'm not like wearing an american flag t shirt and jumping around n shit.  So I guess I'm an american if you look at my birth certificate :justdontknow:


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: KaptKid]
    #524719 - 02/08/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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KaptKid said:
I'm a born and raised Texan.




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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: MFDoom666]
    #524728 - 02/08/11 02:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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FarBeyondDriven said:
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FurrowedBrow said:
I was thinking the other day about this.  I don't really consider myself to be an "American".  I never really gave much thought to reciting the pledge of allegiance, which is fucking crazy in the first place.  Anyway, I'm wondering if you guys and gals consider yourselves to be Americans (or British or where ever youre from)?  I am from america, but don't classify me as an american.




I dunno, I think our Government is a joke.  I mean, I actually laugh sometimes when they're making speaches on tv n shit.  It's funny to me cuz it's horseshit.  I wish our soldiers the best.  I don't want any of them to get hurt, so I guess in that regard, I might be considered one.  But I'm not like wearing an american flag t shirt and jumping around n shit.  So I guess I'm an american if you look at my birth certificate :justdontknow:



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I'm a born and raised Texan.







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Re: Are you really American? [Re: iStoner]
    #524735 - 02/08/11 02:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ever hear the song 'Merican by the Decendents?

I think it describes my attitude toward America, and being an American to a T. I tried to pick a few lines from the song that reflected it, but I'm going to post the whole thing. Its not long, so read through it if you have an attention span that lasts over 30 seconds :lol:

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We flipped our finger to the king of England
Stole our country from the Indians
With god on our side and guns in our hands
We took it for our own
A nation dedicated to liberty
Justice and equality
Does it look that way to you?
It doesn't look that way to me
The sickest joke I know

Listen up man, I'll tell you who I am
Just another stupid American
You don't wanna listen
You don't wanna understand
So finish up your drink and go home

I come from the land of Ben Franklin
Twain and Poe and Walt Whitman
Otis Redding, Ellington,
The country that I love
But it's a land of the slaves and the ku klux klan
Haymarket riot and the great depression
Joe McCarthy, Vietnam
The sickest joke I know

I'm proud and ashamed
Every fourth of July
You got to know the truth
Before you say that you got pride

Now the cops got tanks 'cause the kids got guns
Shrinks pushin' pills on everyone
Cancer from the ocean, cancer from the sun
Straight to Hell we go




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Re: Are you really American? [Re: RasJeph] * 1
    #524753 - 02/08/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i dont really consider myself British, but im not too sure i know what being British even entails, i like fish and chips, and sunday roast dinners so that must make me a bit British :shrug: but i also think the royal family is a waste of space, the queen can suck my dick and i hate our govnerment. so that probably makes me not so british

judging by everyone living around me, the British culture predominantly revolves around television and booze, its the only things urban dwellers seem to be interested in. but all major cities in Britain are over populated urban wasteland, so it doesn't have much of a culture anymore, unless football and beer count.

but there are some awesome culturally rich places in the more rural locations, such as on the Cornish coast:awesomenod:

:lol: im rambling


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Shaggy420]
    #524754 - 02/08/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i want to hear moar.


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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Shaggy420]
    #524756 - 02/08/11 03:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

we hate our countries



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Re: Are you really American? [Re: MFDoom666]
    #524758 - 02/08/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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MFDoom666 said:
i want to hear moar.




dont think theres much else to say, its a simple country :lol:


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #524763 - 02/08/11 03:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think there needs to be some distinction drawn between people labeled by their country of citizenship and personal feelings such as patriotism.

I am not a strong patriot of the United States and I do not condone patriotism.  I accept that I am a natural-born American.

I guess I just don't let anyone pile on additional crap to a pretty simple term.  Politicians love to say an American should be this or that... its all bullshit to play on emotions, sympathies, and irrational thoughts.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #524766 - 02/08/11 03:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You were born, raised, and currently live here (I am assuming).  You are an American there really is no arguing that fact.  I understand you want to distance yourself from the world-image we have, as Americans.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #524769 - 02/08/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

love this country

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
    #524773 - 02/08/11 03:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I just live my life outside the whole grande ol' scheme because that scheme is way too complex ya know.  Just gotta do your part whether it be saving, killing, robbing, giving errybody got their thing to do.  America does have some great opportunities though and that's a fact.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Tangerines]
    #524778 - 02/08/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ill never consider myself to be "American".

The idea of it now makes me sick.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524780 - 02/08/11 04:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It doesn't matter what you consider.  You are what surrounds you.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Tangerines]
    #524781 - 02/08/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Tangerines said:
It doesn't matter what you consider.  You are what surrounds you.




Thats not true. Not even close to being true.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524782 - 02/08/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You are like a self hating black person. :lol: Just because other people who are similar to you act like idiots you cannot stand being generalized along with the idiots into one lump sum.

Accept it you are an American.  An American who doesn't agree with the idiots.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524785 - 02/08/11 04:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Tangerines said:
It doesn't matter what you consider.  You are what surrounds you.




Thats not true. Not even close to being true.




It's how other people perceive you.  You might be a cool dude, but thing about Arabs.  They probably would perceive you as some stupid American just because you live here :shrug:  Not necessarily just Arabs, but I think it made my point.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #524788 - 02/08/11 04:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

USA is an awesome place to visit and explore, for some of its beautiful landscape, nature and its varied cultures. but its not a country i personally would want to spend my life in, and i say the same for England.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #524792 - 02/08/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly.  He may not "consider" himself an American, but that does not change the fact that nearly everyone in the world would consider him an American. Sounds like denial saying you aren't what nearly 100% of people consider you to be.  That is like the Dr saying hey you have a multiple personalities and you saying no.

It's just a descriptive word that has many layers.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Tangerines]
    #524796 - 02/08/11 04:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)


Edited by kyuzo (02/08/11 04:24 PM)

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #524797 - 02/08/11 04:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

How can one actually be anything other than a human being? :confused:


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524798 - 02/08/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was born in England and then moved to France when I was an infant, so my first words weren't even English, they were French. I moved to Australia when I was ~2y/o and both my parents were Australian citizens when I was born; even though my dad was born in New Zealand (He had been living in Australia for +30years). My dad got me a passport for Aus and the UK the day after I was born, so I can live in either country.

I still call myself Australian though, this is a cool place to live when I think about it, sure I don't agree with everything the Gov does, but I don't think I know anyone who does. I don't like the new generation of Australia though, its bigoted and violent and I try my best to not be apart of it.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: drawde]
    #524799 - 02/08/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Sure we are all human, but we are not all American, we are not all Tall, we are not all fat, we all do not have brown eyes.  They are all descriptive words.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: drawde]
    #524800 - 02/08/11 04:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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drawde said:
How can one actually be anything other than a human being? :confused:





why would you figure someone's humanity was invalidated by their national identity? 

It's like asking if a Giraffe was still part of the animal kingdom.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Tangerines]
    #524810 - 02/08/11 04:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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KaptKid said:
I'm a born and raised Texan.



Quote:

Tangerines said:
It doesn't matter what you consider.  You are what surrounds you.




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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
    #524823 - 02/08/11 04:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you figured I was figuring something I was not figuring nor was really implying such with the words. Read it again.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: drawde]
    #524824 - 02/08/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

He did take it into left field, but you trippin' nigga


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Tangerines]
    #524825 - 02/08/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Tangerines said:
You are like a self hating black person. :lol: Just because other people who are similar to you act like idiots you cannot stand being generalized along with the idiots into one lump sum.

Accept it you are an American.  An American who doesn't agree with the idiots.




But I can go to fuckin Canada or where ever and gain the right to be a
citizen of that country if I please. Im am no more bound to the idea that
I am an american then I am bound to the idea that Im black even tho I am white haha.

Do I live in America? Yes. Do I have to consider myself an American?
Not at all. I do not just disagree with idiots but also well educated
arrogant pricks and that can be greatly generalized throughout the world
and also does not have to be bound to any specific region.

The whole shitshow is just another way to make divisions between the people.
And that is where so much trouble comes from. Actually thinking that we are
so much different that anyone else.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524826 - 02/08/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

rofl


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: King Koopa]
    #524828 - 02/08/11 04:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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rofl




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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524869 - 02/08/11 05:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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DeadHearts said:
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Quote:

Tangerines said:
You are like a self hating black person. :lol: Just because other people who are similar to you act like idiots you cannot stand being generalized along with the idiots into one lump sum.

Accept it you are an American.  An American who doesn't agree with the idiots.




But I can go to fuckin Canada or where ever and gain the right to be a
citizen of that country if I please. Im am no more bound to the idea that
I am an american then I am bound to the idea that Im black even tho I am white haha.

Do I live in America? Yes. Do I have to consider myself an American?
Not at all. I do not just disagree with idiots but also well educated
arrogant pricks and that can be greatly generalized throughout the world
and also does not have to be bound to any specific region.

The whole shitshow is just another way to make divisions between the people.
And that is where so much trouble comes from. Actually thinking that we are
so much different that anyone else.





American does not imply anything permanent.  Moving to, or becoming a citizen of, Canada will not change that you are an American.  You will still be in North America.  And even if you did go someplace that does not encompass the term American, you would still have been one.

It seems you are only creating a fictitious definition of America, the same way that politicians and ambitious speakers do.  You are taking a relatively simple term and bastardizing it to include your own meanings.

Pretending that the word has no merit or only serves to cause social or spiritual division is bull shit too.  It is still widely used in its correct form and, despite your personal beliefs, provides a functional description for those that need one.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #524873 - 02/08/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

To keep it as simple I believe quite the opposite.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524885 - 02/08/11 06:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

michigan, lol.


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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: MFDoom666]
    #524894 - 02/08/11 06:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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michigan, lol.




Nice man.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524895 - 02/08/11 06:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:tarantino:


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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: drawde]
    #524896 - 02/08/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds like you figured I was figuring something I was not figuring nor was really implying such with the words. Read it again.




I read your post again and it still seems to suggest one can't recognize national identity and shared humanity, at the same time

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524899 - 02/08/11 06:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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DeadHearts said:
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Quote:

Tangerines said:
You are like a self hating black person. :lol: Just because other people who are similar to you act like idiots you cannot stand being generalized along with the idiots into one lump sum.

Accept it you are an American.  An American who doesn't agree with the idiots.




But I can go to fuckin Canada or where ever and gain the right to be a
citizen of that country if I please. Im am no more bound to the idea that
I am an american then I am bound to the idea that Im black even tho I am white haha.

Do I live in America? Yes. Do I have to consider myself an American?
Not at all. I do not just disagree with idiots but also well educated
arrogant pricks and that can be greatly generalized throughout the world
and also does not have to be bound to any specific region.

The whole shitshow is just another way to make divisions between the people.
And that is where so much trouble comes from. Actually thinking that we are
so much different that anyone else.




People are extremely different, though

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
    #524901 - 02/08/11 06:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Let me ask you all what being "American" means to you??

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524905 - 02/08/11 06:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

it means beating a friend at a game of poker.

it means waking up early to shotgun beer before the big nascar race.

it means supporting our troops no matter how many babies they've raped and murdered.

it means the world to me.

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    #524906 - 02/08/11 06:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

My point with all this was getting at whether or not national identity is a good thing, right now, in the whole scheme of our collective survival.  At what point will there be no boundaries for us to identify ourselves, other than those of geographic locations - not national identity. 

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You were born, raised, and currently live here (I am assuming).  You are an American there really is no arguing that fact.  I understand you want to distance yourself from the world-image we have, as Americans.




I think you are misunderstanding.  I don't give a flying fuck what everyone else thinks of me.  If I travel overseas they'd call me an american, yes.  But that doesn't change my perspective.  This isn't really about avoiding America's world image.  I mean, it's on a basic level why do we all need to be so unrelentingly proud of the immediate area we are from?  I'm from Kansas, I'm not a Kansan. 

I do like what drawde said.  I would have said it a bit different though.  I just don't think that national pride serves any good for our species.  Though, it's certainly a good thing for individual nations.

oh also.....



lastly, i just want to bring this question forward...

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #524908 - 02/08/11 06:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

1) how would any answer I gave invalidate the fact that people are extremely different? 

2) If you're asking why i love this country, well, because it has an amazing system of civil rights and liberties.  Everything after that is kind of secondary

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My point with all this was getting at whether or not national identity is a good thing, right now, in the whole scheme of our collective survival.  At what point will there be no boundaries for us to identify ourselves, other than those of geographic locations - not national identity. 

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You were born, raised, and currently live here (I am assuming).  You are an American there really is no arguing that fact.  I understand you want to distance yourself from the world-image we have, as Americans.




I think you are misunderstanding.  I don't give a flying fuck what everyone else thinks of me.  If I travel overseas they'd call me an american, yes.  But that doesn't change my perspective.  This isn't really about avoiding America's world image.  I mean, it's on a basic level why do we all need to be so unrelentingly proud of the immediate area we are from?  I'm from Kansas, I'm not a Kansan. 

I do like what drawde said.  I would have said it a bit different though.  I just don't think that national pride serves any good for our species.  Though, it's certainly a good thing for individual nations.




I think this thread is a good example of how "good" national Identity is
for us. All it does and has even done in this thread is divide us. It led
to (in this very thread) ridicule of a different belief other than your own.

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So this thread is about rebellion?


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    #524914 - 02/08/11 06:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

no.  no, it's not.  i mean that wasn't in my head when i created this.  I suppose some aspects of this could be related to rebellion for some people.  I'm not one of them though.


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being American means being born and raised in America.  It's pretty simple really.  A descriptive word as to where you are from.

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1) how would any answer I gave invalidate the fact that people are extremely different? 

2) If you're asking why i love this country, well, because it has an amazing system of civil rights and liberties.  Everything after that is kind of secondary




Meh.

The differences you are talking about amongst the people of this world
are incredible trivial. When it boils down to it we are all the same.

Why can most not look someone in the eye from say Brazil or China and not
think of them as the same?

Its all bullshit.

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being American means being born and raised in America.  It's pretty simple really.  A descriptive word as to where you are from.




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    #524919 - 02/08/11 06:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I read your post again and it still seems to suggest one can't recognize national identity and shared humanity, at the same time




Seems rather conflicting with you last statement, but thats besides the point. How can there be separation and togetherness at the same time? This does not make sense. To me its one or the other. 

If "American" means "One who lives in America", then fine. But it is pretty obvious how "American" is used in so many different ways, and I think by rights a label must be something that is clearly and consistently defined.


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    #524922 - 02/08/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Because we are not the same.  The same means 100% carbon copys. A copy meaning from the same place.  Different places =/=same.

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Quote:

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Quote:

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1) how would any answer I gave invalidate the fact that people are extremely different? 

2) If you're asking why i love this country, well, because it has an amazing system of civil rights and liberties.  Everything after that is kind of secondary




Meh.

The differences you are talking about amongst the people of this world
are incredible trivial. When it boils down to it we are all the same.

Why can most not look someone in the eye from say Brazil or China and not
think of them as the same?

Its all bullshit.




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Re: Are you really American? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Quote:

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1) how would any answer I gave invalidate the fact that people are extremely different? 

2) If you're asking why i love this country, well, because it has an amazing system of civil rights and liberties.  Everything after that is kind of secondary




Meh.

The differences you are talking about amongst the people of this world
are incredible trivial. When it boils down to it we are all the same.

Why can most not look someone in the eye from say Brazil or China and not
think of them as the same?

Its all bullshit.




I will take a stab at that.....Our cultures of the world have not yet transcended their geographic and national boundries.  When that happens it will certainly take us one step closer to a world you described, where we are all the same.  This stuff kind of deals with the idea of a one world government.  I think a one world government is an inevitability.  im still not sure if this is a good thing.


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    #524927 - 02/08/11 06:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think there are a lot of completely different interpretations of the point of this thread. I think FB was trying to stimulate some intellectual discussion over what titles/labels actually mean to some of you, not get people to argue over what your nationality is.

If you go past simple nationality, the label of being "American" stems from nationalism. Nationalism and patriotism only divide people over trivial matters. It's the foundation for the "Us v. Them" mentality that America has about everything. You have virtually no choice over when or where you are born, yet people are labeled based on their place of origin.

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Seems rather conflicting with you last statement, but thats besides the point.




how so?




How can there be separation and togetherness at the same time? This does not make sense. To me its one or the other. 




I guess the same way as one can point to the fact that NYC and Chicago are both American cities, but distinct in their own special ways?

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I think there are a lot of completely different interpretations of the point of this thread. I think FB was trying to stimulate some intellectual discussion over what titles/labels actually mean to some of you, not get people to argue over what your nationality is.

If you go past simple nationality, the label of being "American" stems from nationalism. Nationalism and patriotism only divide people over trivial matters. It's the foundation for the "Us v. Them" mentality that America has about everything. You have virtually no choice over when or where you are born, yet people are labeled based on their place of origin.

I'm just a human.




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Quote:

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I think there are a lot of completely different interpretations of the point of this thread. I think FB was trying to stimulate some intellectual discussion over what titles/labels actually mean to some of you, not get people to argue over what your nationality is.

If you go past simple nationality, the label of being "American" stems from nationalism. Nationalism and patriotism only divide people over trivial matters. It's the foundation for the "Us v. Them" mentality that America has about everything. You have virtually no choice over when or where you are born, yet people are labeled based on their place of origin.

I'm just a human.




The "us vs them" mentality is extremely universal and am unsure how one could even begin to entertain the idea that it was , in some way, unique to america

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
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Quote:

kyuzo said:
Quote:

Far Stox said:
I think there are a lot of completely different interpretations of the point of this thread. I think FB was trying to stimulate some intellectual discussion over what titles/labels actually mean to some of you, not get people to argue over what your nationality is.

If you go past simple nationality, the label of being "American" stems from nationalism. Nationalism and patriotism only divide people over trivial matters. It's the foundation for the "Us v. Them" mentality that America has about everything. You have virtually no choice over when or where you are born, yet people are labeled based on their place of origin.

I'm just a human.




The "us vs them" mentality is extremely universal and am unsure how one could even begin to entertain the idea that it was , in some way, unique to america




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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
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Quote:

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Quote:

Far Stox said:
I think there are a lot of completely different interpretations of the point of this thread. I think FB was trying to stimulate some intellectual discussion over what titles/labels actually mean to some of you, not get people to argue over what your nationality is.

If you go past simple nationality, the label of being "American" stems from nationalism. Nationalism and patriotism only divide people over trivial matters. It's the foundation for the "Us v. Them" mentality that America has about everything. You have virtually no choice over when or where you are born, yet people are labeled based on their place of origin.

I'm just a human.




The "us vs them" mentality is extremely universal and am unsure how one could even begin to entertain the idea that it was , in some way, unique to america





he's not saying that.  he's saying that division IS a natural product of national identity.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
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Quote:

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Quote:

kyuzo said:
Quote:

Far Stox said:
I think there are a lot of completely different interpretations of the point of this thread. I think FB was trying to stimulate some intellectual discussion over what titles/labels actually mean to some of you, not get people to argue over what your nationality is.

If you go past simple nationality, the label of being "American" stems from nationalism. Nationalism and patriotism only divide people over trivial matters. It's the foundation for the "Us v. Them" mentality that America has about everything. You have virtually no choice over when or where you are born, yet people are labeled based on their place of origin.

I'm just a human.




The "us vs them" mentality is extremely universal and am unsure how one could even begin to entertain the idea that it was , in some way, unique to america





he's not saying that.  he's saying that division IS a natural product of national identity.





I was mainly responding to this remark: 
Quote:

It's the foundation for the "Us v. Them" mentality that America has about everything.




Also, as I said previously, there is nothing trivial about the ideas behind how and why governments operate

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    #524943 - 02/08/11 07:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If "American" means "One who lives in America", then fine. But it is pretty obvious how "American" is used in so many different ways, and I think by rights a label must be something that is clearly and consistently defined.




And this is probably what's causing confusion.


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I was thinking the other day about this.  I don't really consider myself to be an "American".  I never really gave much thought to reciting the pledge of allegiance, which is fucking crazy in the first place.  Anyway, I'm wondering if you guys and gals consider yourselves to be Americans (or British or where ever youre from)?  I am from america, but don't classify me as an american.





American - A person that recites the pledge of allegiance


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    #524962 - 02/08/11 07:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't really consider it to be a fucking choice whether or not to go through those motions.  it was forced upon me.  just like where i was born.  I have an american identity, i can't refute that.  I was raised here, it's my only home.  here's something im talking about.  If i went outside and stood on the town square and gathered a bunch of people around and pulled out an american flag from one pocket and a lighter and an excelerant from the other and set that flag ablaze.  It wouldn't be viewed as an act of freedom.  I would be labeled a terrorist.  :lol:  that's some deeply fucked up shit.


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What you say boy?!?!?!  You hate America?!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm fixin to kill you!!!!! :hillbilly:


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I bet you can explain it better when you're speaking about it. I am really not understanding.

you familiar with the term americanized?


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you mean like assimilated to american culture?


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yes yes.

So you're not american in the way that you try to "think and behave wordly" rather than being a product of your environment.


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I am a product of the energies of the universe and beyond.  that is just it.


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I consider myself California homegrown, born and raised.

and honestly, the term American is such a fucking ethnocentric term. Who's to say that Canadians and Mexicans aren't American, too? They do reside in the Americas. That's like saying only British people are the true Europeans, not the Yugoslavians, Spaniards, or the French.

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The "us vs them" mentality is extremely universal and am unsure how one could even begin to entertain the idea that it was , in some way, unique to america



I realize other people have already defended me a little bit, but I'll say for myself that I never said it was unique to the US. The Olympics is a prime example of how each nation is trying to beat everyone else, which leads to the "Us v. Them" nonsense.


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    #524998 - 02/08/11 08:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

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    #524999 - 02/08/11 08:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

omg. rip. :sad:


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: King Koopa]
    #525003 - 02/08/11 08:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i know, i was in jail when he died and went into a state of shock when i found out he passed on.

still can't believe it.


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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

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    #525023 - 02/08/11 08:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

American

(notice how definitions do not have anything to do with culture or beliefs - this is not more of a dividing description than saying today some people were happy and some were sad)

–adjective
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of or pertaining to the United States of America  or its inhabitants: an American citizen.
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of or pertaining to North or South America;  of the Western Hemisphere: the American continents.
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of or pertaining to the aboriginal Indians of North and South America,  usually excluding the Eskimos, regarded as being of Asian ancestry and marked generally by reddish to brownish skin, black hair, dark eyes, and prominent cheekbones.
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a citizen of the United States of America.
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Re: Are you really American? [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #525032 - 02/08/11 09:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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a steam locomotive having a four-wheeled front truck, four driving wheels, and no rear truck.





:goodnews:


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Far Stox]
    #525068 - 02/08/11 10:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Far Stox said:I realize other people have already defended me a little bit, but I'll say for myself that I never said it was unique to the US.




You stressed America in your original post, so I took it as you perceiving that this "us vs Them" mentality, is in some manner, exceptional here.  But being that we generally don't ethnically cleanse, or commit genocide, against our fellow citizens, that clearly isn't the case

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Far Stox said: The Olympics is a prime example of how each nation is trying to beat everyone else, which leads to the "Us v. Them" nonsense.




The Olympics are generally used as a venue to validate these distinctions, not where these distinctions are formed. 

It's like the medal races between the Soviet Union and the US, back in the early 80's.  Where the animosity wasn't over the actual event, but the fact that the event was seen as proof that one of these, mutually exclusive forms of social organization, was superior to the other.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
    #525115 - 02/08/11 11:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I am purely American. Mostly native American lol so I'm pretty much allll American. Do I agree with everything? No. Do I enjoy my freedoms (the ones we have left)? Yes. Do I vote? No. But I'm not gonna complain. Unless this patriot act kicks it up...and they tap my phone.


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    #525152 - 02/09/11 12:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i was born and raised in texas. i've lived all across the US. right now i call atlanta my home.

i appreciate america for the things that its given me. an opportunity to make my own life. a relatively safe place to call home.

but theres many things i dont like. the government, and our freedoms being slowly raped from us.

do i call myself an american? sure - based off location.

but i am more then that.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #525153 - 02/09/11 12:06 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

right on, sb.


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    #525154 - 02/09/11 12:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

hear hear


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: King Koopa]
    #525155 - 02/09/11 12:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)



i just got fucking HIGH from the resin in my chillum.

plus i'm the drunks on the bourbon.

living alive ftw.


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They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: still beLIEve]
    #525160 - 02/09/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ATL motha fucka!!
i miss the atlanta area
i used to live around there as a kid, moved around from downtown near Georgia State to Duluth to Birmingham, Alabama
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Re: Are you really American? [Re: meatcakeman]
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Re: Are you really American? [Re: jkell]
    #525172 - 02/09/11 12:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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jkell said:
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meatcakeman said:
ATL motha fucka!!
i miss the atlanta area
i used to live around there as a kid, moved around from downtown near Georgia State to Duluth to Birmingham, Alabama
i love that area of the south




Duluth,MN?





read it again, slowly this time :rofl:


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    #525173 - 02/09/11 12:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ahhh yes :rofl:
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haha maybe he hopped on a plane?

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    #525174 - 02/09/11 01:06 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

There ya go buddy! :lol:

Maybe he did, who's to say with these crazy youngsters and their hip hops and American Idols? :hank:


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nahh i was talking about duluth, ga.. didn't know there were multiple duluths though.... i kinda wonder what the other one looks like haha


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    #525176 - 02/09/11 01:19 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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nahh i was talking about duluth, ga.. didn't know there were multiple duluths though.... i kinda wonder what the other one looks like haha




haha yeah neither did I, they were both founded by the same guy though, go figure

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: jkell] * 1
    #525184 - 02/09/11 04:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

We were all taught to love our country as kids. So imagine my anger when I grew up and realized that for the past century this nation has been raped by greed fucks and political fascist.


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    #525228 - 02/09/11 09:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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still beLIEve said:
i was born and raised in texas. i've lived all across the US. right now i call atlanta my home.

i appreciate america for the things that its given me. an opportunity to make my own life. a relatively safe place to call home.

but theres many things i dont like. the government, and our freedoms being slowly raped from us.

do i call myself an american? sure - based off location.

but i am more then that.






My feelings exactly


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
    #525234 - 02/09/11 10:15 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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You stressed America in your original post, so I took it as you perceiving that this "us vs Them" mentality, is in some manner, exceptional here.  But being that we generally don't ethnically cleanse, or commit genocide, against our fellow citizens, that clearly isn't the case



Yeah, sorry for the confusion there, but I was stressing America because that was the topic of the thread. :shrug:

I will contest that we ARE committing genocide, though. If you look at all of the shit the American government did to the Native Americans and how poorly they stand today I think there is certainly a case of ethnic cleansing there.

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Far Stox said: The Olympics is a prime example of how each nation is trying to beat everyone else, which leads to the "Us v. Them" nonsense.




The Olympics are generally used as a venue to validate these distinctions, not where these distinctions are formed. 

It's like the medal races between the Soviet Union and the US, back in the early 80's.  Where the animosity wasn't over the actual event, but the fact that the event was seen as proof that one of these, mutually exclusive forms of social organization, was superior to the other.



But the underlying point is that each nation was trying to prove its superiority to the other. Luckily they were just going at it in competitive sports rather than with their massive nuclear stockpiles.


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I will contest that we ARE committing genocide, though. If you look at all of the shit the American government did to the Native Americans and how poorly they stand today I think there is certainly a case of ethnic cleansing there.




Committing? When was the last time you read about an Indian massacre? 

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But the underlying point is that each nation was trying to prove its superiority to the other.




Yes, because each group adopted forms of social organization that were inherently opposed to each other, and not because they were huge fans of volleyball.

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    #525633 - 02/10/11 05:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

January 19 1911

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    #525651 - 02/10/11 06:02 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was born in Seattle, and have lived most of my life in California, but I still consider myself just Russian and a quarter Greek. I don't really feel like just being born in America, should make me a Russian American or any of that bullshit. My parents had me born in America so I'd get certain legal rights/privileges, nothing more, nothing less :shrug:

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    #525653 - 02/10/11 06:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Thats thoughtful of them, my roommates parents did the same thing and he's russian also.

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Native American women were still being sterilized through the 1960s.  And I would consider the continuous denial of treaty and cultural rights to be genocide.


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January 19 1911





right, and to ignore this is like claiming that Turkey is still operating one of the largest imperial empires known to man

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Native American women were still being sterilized through the 1960s.


 

Actually, from my understanding, those sterilizations weren't a product of actual state policy (there was legislation intended to prevent the IHS from operating in such a manner).  In fact, in the infamous report from Rosenfeld, that originally highlighted the issue, it was attributed to doctors operating independently, and on the assumption that NAs were too dumb to use other forms of birth control and that they were preventing these people from creating an even larger burden on the state (NA were not the only minority targeted in such a manner, either)



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I will contest that we ARE committing genocide, though. If you look at all of the shit the American government did to the Native Americans and how poorly they stand today I think there is certainly a case of ethnic cleansing there.




Committing? When was the last time you read about an Indian massacre? 





I guess a more appropriate choice of wording would have been "we HAVE". Forced assimilation and the insanity of things like the Trail of Tears can attest to that. And I guarantee there were other atrocities that were committed that were simply left out of the history books of American school children. They already gloss over the significance of what was done to the Indians enough as it is.


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Quote:

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I will contest that we ARE committing genocide, though. If you look at all of the shit the American government did to the Native Americans and how poorly they stand today I think there is certainly a case of ethnic cleansing there.




Committing? When was the last time you read about an Indian massacre? 





I guess a more appropriate choice of wording would have been "we HAVE". Forced assimilation and the insanity of things like the Trail of Tears can attest to that. And I guarantee there were other atrocities that were committed that were simply left out of the history books of American school children. They already gloss over the significance of what was done to the Indians enough as it is.





But as I pointed out above, this ignores that nations, societies, and people change.

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    #525696 - 02/10/11 09:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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But as I pointed out above, this ignores that nations, societies, and people change.



So we've changed by moving on from killing them to merely bastardizing their images through sports teams and portraying them as the villains in nearly every Hollywood "Western" movie ever. Because at least we stopped killing them, right?

I realize bitching about what America did to the Native Americans in the past won't bring about any sort of reparations for them now, but it irks me to no end that our public schools (or at least mine) never once made the assertion that the government was committing genocide at some point. This (being the omission of the discussion of genocide by Americans) is the kind of shit I would expect from dictatorships, not the beacon of freedom and democracy across the world.


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    #525701 - 02/10/11 09:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

People, people! How about we talk about how much America has changed this way. George Washington grew marijuana on his plantation all the time! Do you see Obama buying grow lights and such? No...such a shame. In Jamestown, you had to grow pot in your yard, I'm pretty sure it was a law. :bigblunt:


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Far Stox said:So we've changed by moving on from killing them to merely bastardizing their images through sports teams and portraying them as the villains in nearly every Hollywood "Western" movie ever. Because at least we stopped killing them, right?




1) you originally made the accusation that genocide was still on going.  Then once I pointed out this was not true, you then resorted to citing past instances as if such policies can't change. Once again I pointed out how this was faulty.

  In light of this, now bitching about mascots and movie villains strikes me as a red herring

2) Yes, this nation has done bad shit in the past, and so has every other nation.  What is important is changing it for the better, and having such tools available that make this possible. 

3) Unless the government is funding these sports teams or penning these films, I am unsure how such are a reflection of the government's policy.  And short of the government infringing on someone's constitutional rights, there isn't much they can do (at least legally) to limit free expression

4) I'm not very sympathetic to such complaints, to begin with.  And find them overly PC

5) Yes, when we decided to stop killing them, it was a drastic improvement over killing them.  And am unsure how you could entertain anything less





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Far Stox said:I realize bitching about what America did to the Native Americans in the past won't bring about any sort of reparations for them now, but it irks me to no end that our public schools (or at least mine) never once made the assertion that the government was committing genocide at some point.




actually learned all about the trail of tears, the woman's suffrage movement, and slavery in numerous classes, during my school days


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Far Stox said: This (being the omission of the discussion of genocide by Americans) is the kind of shit I would expect from dictatorships, not the beacon of freedom and democracy across the world.




1) the beacon of freedom and democracy crap is exactly that: crap.  We push our national interests like any other nation state.  And though I often disagree with how this is done, I am unsure why my government shouldn't try to guarantee my safety and livelihood.  After all, if they don't, who will?

2) you can find examples of this in any nation, dictatorship or not. As far as i am aware, the US, being that it's an open society, handles the issue much better than most

3)Can some of it be intentional distortion of the historical record? Sure, but I suspect it is largely caused by the fact that there is no way to make history completely objective

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: Shaggy420]
    #525719 - 02/10/11 12:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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TrippyStoner420 said:
i dont really consider myself British, but im not too sure i know what being British even entails, i like fish and chips, and sunday roast dinners so that must make me a bit British :shrug: but i also think the royal family is a waste of space, the queen can suck my dick and i hate our govnerment. so that probably makes me not so british

judging by everyone living around me, the British culture predominantly revolves around television and booze, its the only things urban dwellers seem to be interested in. but all major cities in Britain are over populated urban wasteland, so it doesn't have much of a culture anymore, unless football and beer count.

but there are some awesome culturally rich places in the more rural locations, such as on the Cornish coast:awesomenod:

:lol: im rambling




Could'nt have said it better myself :thumbup:


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
    #525763 - 02/10/11 01:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like there are way too many understandings of this discussion that are being blurred by the limits of text.

Anyways, I'm grateful for the lengthy debate/argument/whatever you want to call it, but I'm tapping out of this one. :lol:


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: kyuzo]
    #525768 - 02/10/11 02:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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kyuzo said:
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CrayolaHalls said:
Native American women were still being sterilized through the 1960s.


 

Actually, from my understanding, those sterilizations weren't a product of actual state policy (there was legislation intended to prevent the IHS from operating in such a manner).  In fact, in the infamous report from Rosenfeld, that originally highlighted the issue, it was attributed to doctors operating independently, and on the assumption that NAs were too dumb to use other forms of birth control and that they were preventing these people from creating an even larger burden on the state (NA were not the only minority targeted in such a manner, either)



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CrayolaHalls said:And I would consider the continuous denial of treaty and cultural rights to be genocide


 

Genocide is the systematic destruction of a people, not mere repression




State, not federal, policies were still using sterilization as a punishment for minor crimes (like stealing) committed by NA women.

Cultural genocide is not repression.  It is a way to wipe out people by destroying what they hold most important and forcing them to adopt new systems.  It is the eradication of a way of life.  Typically cultural genocide is considered synonymous with genocide, but I chose to differentiate since the obvious cultural destruction lasted much loner with the NA than the unofficial war on their nations.


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Re: Are you really American? [Re: CrayolaHalls]
    #525825 - 02/10/11 03:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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CrayolaHalls said:
Native American women were still being sterilized through the 1960s.  And I would consider the continuous denial of treaty and cultural rights to be genocide.




Bingo. The people who taught the first European-Americans how to live on this land are still being fucked to this day.

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Re: Are you really American? [Re: BlueBerry_Swisher]
    #525846 - 02/10/11 04:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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A7X said:
People, people! How about we talk about how much America has changed this way. George Washington grew marijuana on his plantation all the time! Do you see Obama buying grow lights and such? No...such a shame. In Jamestown, you had to grow pot in your yard, I'm pretty sure it was a law. :bigblunt:




:what: :lol:

I think that's a little off topic but whatever :lol:


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