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Yield/ should i take off my scrog net?
    #443357 - 07/08/10 10:12 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

let me start off by saying, I'm not worried about yield. my goal is to grow a healthy plant that is potent i would rather grow 7 grams of real head banging piff then 5 ounces of okay bud
with that said this is the information i can give, i have never grown so i don't have the slightest clue what a plant will produce.



harvest factors 2 strains

*strain A : Indica 10-20% / Sativa 90-80%, flowering time between 12 to 13 weeks,Yield (Indoors): 500 to 600 gr/sqm
*strain B :Type : Indica 40% / Sativa 60%, flowering time 9 to 11 weeks,

*1&1/2 square foot scorg nets with 2inch squares

(* 3.5 months veg not 4
16 hours of light for 3 month under a 250 watt MH W/at least 7 hours of sunlight a day. then about 2 weeks still of veg in only natural sunlight July to august in northern hemisphere)

started from seed

* had some super cropping

*5 gallon buckets w/ mixed soil.

*full east to west sunrise/set

if needed they will get full length of recommenced flowering time up 14 weeks for these strains

please tell me if there some harvest factors i left out

can i look for an ounce a plant?


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Re: Yeild [Re: grod31]
    #443362 - 07/08/10 10:20 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

So long as you don't fuck anything up real bad you shouldn't have too much trouble pulling an Oz from each of those.


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Re: Yeild [Re: grod31]
    #443364 - 07/08/10 10:22 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

You will get more than one ounce per plant.  I'm 99% sure you will get more than 2 ounces per plant.  I am not very experienced you will have to wait for another reply buy I can tell you your guesstimate of 1 ounce per plant is very very humble.


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Re: Yeild [Re: grod31]
    #443371 - 07/08/10 10:29 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

quality not quantity :highfive:


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Re: Yeild [Re: Shaggy420]
    #443406 - 07/08/10 11:19 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Or... Quality and quantity. :awethumb:


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    #443441 - 07/08/10 12:04 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Yeild [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #443447 - 07/08/10 12:14 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i dont see why strain would make much of a difference but
they are Red dragon and Hawaiian snow


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    #443451 - 07/08/10 12:19 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Yeild [Re: grod31]
    #443453 - 07/08/10 12:21 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Hah, that does make a difference. I bet that Hawaiian Snow will be a good yielder. Are  these gonna get flowered outside?


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Re: Yeild [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #443454 - 07/08/10 12:25 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

true very true
im use to the mushroom world where strain dosnt make the slightest difference, so i have grown to hate "strains"
but thank you for the input
and thanks for the comment
:awesomenod: :thumbup:
i would still like to hear from anyone else.
i cant find many outdoor scrogs at all online


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Re: Yeild [Re: grod31]
    #443455 - 07/08/10 12:29 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

yeah man they are chillen right there for the rest of there lives.
i panicked and started to force flower her(HS) because im in the northern hemisphere and she can flower for up to 14 weeks so i guess she will have closer to 3 months veg for her.
whoops.. sorry for the double post..


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Re: Yield [Re: grod31]
    #443461 - 07/08/10 12:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i have been debating on taking the scrogs off, that's actually the last thing i said in my grow log
I'm worried they will get huge i have a fairly well used waterway on the other side of that fence as well as neighboring houses so i don't want them to get huge but if more people tell me it would be beneficial i don't really have a choice do i?


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Re: Yield [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #443477 - 07/08/10 01:12 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

From what I've heard that Hawaiian Snow will get pretty damn tall if not kept under control..


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Re: Yield [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #443478 - 07/08/10 01:13 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i just went to look at my girls and upon close inspection i can see pre flowers!
so that's a lot sooner then what i had thought.
so i have to edit my original post to 3 months veg not 4
will this cut off 1/4 of the yield you guys were saying.
im flowering  :dancer:


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Re: Yield [Re: grod31]
    #443492 - 07/08/10 02:15 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I think yield can be estimated by the thickness of the main stem at the bottom. Also given the method you are using for growing, I'd guess more like 6 oz per plant. That said, by the time the plants are harvested, the main stem at the bottom should be at least an inch, if not 2 in diameter.


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Re: Yield [Re: fungi]
    #443614 - 07/08/10 06:28 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah mj is very different from mushrooms(shroomery is where I originally started). With mj traits vary from strain to strain. I'll be keeping an eye out on the Red Dragon. I've been thinking of adding it to my collection.


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Re: Yield [Re: Jeff Funk]
    #443653 - 07/08/10 07:07 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

my god 6oz each that would be crazy.it wouldnt leave much room for improvement in 5 gallon buckets.
you guys are are making me feel like i can modestly expect 2 oz each, does that sound right?
What is the feeling on my scrog nets?
should i take one off to see if its better? i think thats what ill do.


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Re: Yield [Re: fungi]
    #443661 - 07/08/10 07:13 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I think yield can be estimated by the thickness of the main stem at the bottom. Also given the method you are using for growing, I'd guess more like 6 oz per plant. That said, by the time the plants are harvested, the main stem at the bottom should be at least an inch, if not 2 in diameter.





I think thickness is moreso related to age of the plant, I have a plant in my current grow thats younger(less veg, same time in flower) by a couple weeks than the others, and you can definitely tell its gonna outproduce some of the older ones that have larger main stems.


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Re: Yeild [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #443691 - 07/08/10 07:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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With 4 months veg time I personally would expect in the area of at least 4oz per plant, but then again I do not know what strains you are using.

I bet my left nut you get at least an ounce per plant, ha. That would seriously be pathetic yield, expect bare minimum 2oz a piece but as I said, personally I would be looking at 4 and up.




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Re: Yeild [Re: Inverted]
    #443695 - 07/08/10 07:40 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Leave the scrog, don't touch them, just let them get huge from now on...

You could even pull 6 if done right.  Hell, I'm looking to pull up to 30 Oz off of some of mine.


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Re: Yield [Re: Inverted]
    #443766 - 07/08/10 09:31 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

well I'm trying to do it right.
what would be the deciding factors?
i have the time to baby them, and i have been.
i have minimal funds for more nutes but i have fox farms that i am using and i am happy with. i am running out of micro nutrients and superthrive do you think i should suck it up and buy those? is there really a product that can give me more buds?
also remember i would rather better bud then more bud.
i usually only water when i can see they need it. if they don't show signs of dehydration ill give em water after 4 days.
i know im not over watering or nute burning because my earthworms are still alive


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Re: Yield [Re: grod31]
    #443795 - 07/08/10 10:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Just chill bro, how much nutrients do you have, you say "Fox Farms" but that could mean anything really.

Be more specific on exactly what you HAVE, and what size container and how much is left and whatnot.  It looks like you already have them trained into the scrog, and honestly it looks like it is creating many more tops and very even, I believe you will have a higher yield if you keep it, but just let them go now, no more training because it looks like the screens is pretty full as is.  You don't need SuperThrive that is more for the early stages and transplants.  You probably want to suck it up and buy some Micro Nutes, but this is dependent on exactly which nutrients you are using because they could have them included.


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Re: Yield [Re: Inverted]
    #443825 - 07/08/10 11:07 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Inverted: I love that fuckin' avy. Where did you find that?

What plant of yours is turning out 30 zips?!?! Is that an outdoor grow?


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Re: Yield [Re: 81renaissance]
    #443862 - 07/08/10 11:44 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Local artists, called "Pretty Lights"





Yeah man we have some huge outdoor monsters...  Picture update coming in a few days :lol:


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Re: Yield [Re: Inverted]
    #443874 - 07/09/10 12:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

this is what i was using

the grow big i will stop using now that i see preflowers
the big bloom will be done in one or two watering
and i have a full container of tiger bloom (but the container reached 90F i dunno if that's bad..)
i have blue agave nectar (in the raw and organic)
besides that i have a buddy who has a crazy arsenal of all the nutrients that i would ever need, but i could just use those from time to time.
i was planing on training only the apical top from now on, its still the main stem even after all that training. i never topped even though i really wanted to most of the time.


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Re: Yield [Re: grod31]
    #443945 - 07/09/10 09:43 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Just because you see preflowers does not mean that the plant is about to start flowering.  My plants have been on the verge of flowering for 2 months now, pistils EVERYWHERE, but they are just telling you that they are sexually mature and ready to bust into bloom.

Just pinch the top off man, I know it's hard to do but you will not regret the results and it won't even slow the growth of the plant down it will just re-allocate the resources to other growth tips.  Also, just stick with the 3 part series you have there, you should be just fine.  I used to use NO BLOOM nutrients as I was an organic grower at first, and I still got a lot of big colas, but they do help increase yields noticeably.  Just look up other posts/threads on the fox farm series you have and how people use them, as I have heard the feeding schedule they (Fox Farms) provide is flawed.


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Re: Yield [Re: Inverted]
    #443995 - 07/09/10 10:56 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

so your saying i should still use veg nutes?
i dunno if i will pinch the tallest top off but i will continue to super crop or give it or them weighted hooks.
oh yeah and the first time i looked at that feeding chart i decided never to look at it again. Besides i was only supposed to use the "grow big" every other watering. and i gave it to my plants almost every time and they loved it, of course i used 1/4 strength in the begging then 1/2 and eventually close to full.

but overall you are saying

* keep the scrog nets on
* continue to keep the plant happy/proper nutes
* if finished correctly its possible for four ounces each plant
:awesomenod:

what are your views of trimming lower branches. I already have but should i continue?


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Re: Yield [Re: grod31]
    #444089 - 07/09/10 11:43 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah you got it, and with the branches it's something you gain with experience because you learn what will and will not produce, but a surefire way to figure that out is to wait until about 4 weeks into flowering to cut out everything that you can visually see isn't producing like the rest, it will turn out to be a waste of trimming.


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Re: Yield [Re: Inverted]
    #444119 - 07/09/10 12:24 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Local artists, called "Pretty Lights"





Yeah man we have some huge outdoor monsters...  Picture update coming in a few days :lol:




I saw Pretty Lights at Coachella! They kick ass! :jacked: (sorry)


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Re: Yield [Re: 81renaissance]
    #444282 - 07/09/10 07:32 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

That's fucking awesome dude!  Yeah I love em' and it doesn't hurt that they are from MPLS.  :yesnod:


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Re: Yield [Re: Inverted]
    #444467 - 07/10/10 10:16 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

i think the stem wont get  much bigger because the scrog nets have the plants fully supported, so the plants don't realize they need a thicker stem.
do you think i i should go back to veg nutes for a lil or stick with the flowering nutes?


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Re: Yield [Re: grod31]
    #444754 - 07/11/10 12:34 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

They will get a thicker stem regardless.  Stem thickness is dependent on strain, root system mass, and amount of vegetation.  Also a plant with more branching will have a thicker stem than an untrained "christmas tree".


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    #444890 - 07/11/10 11:33 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

thanks :thumbup:
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Re: Yield [Re: grod31]
    #446190 - 07/14/10 09:56 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yah dood, it looks like you trained the plant right. They look bushy. If they grow for another 4 months they will be at least 2 to 3 times larger. Plus they grow a little during flowering. Those are going to be beasts.


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    #446194 - 07/14/10 10:04 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the comment feel free to follow or comment on my grow journal
also i would hope they grow more then  "a little " during flowering :cool:


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    #446327 - 07/14/10 03:15 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah more like double in size.  :yesnod:


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    #448161 - 07/18/10 08:27 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

fuckin a
these girls have to go inside
will my yield decrees dramatically if i flower these under a 1000 watt hps and not outdoors?


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    #448165 - 07/18/10 08:45 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah because you will have to flower immediately instead of vegging them to be huge.


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    #448167 - 07/18/10 08:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

they are already a nice size bigger then when i took those pics a lil over a week ago. 
There is only so long before the red dragon will start to bud anyway, maybe 2-4 weeks max they both already have their preflowers.
And i have been force flowering the Hawaiian snow since July first; as i said originally.
so0o, if they get the same veg time will my yield decrease dramatically?
will the bud not be as dense?

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you responded right away the first time, where did you go ?


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