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Dreaming of a semi vertical modified scrog?
    #502945 - 12/04/10 03:05 AM (6 years, 8 days ago)

Hello all,

I had an idea I'm not sure if it's unique or how popular it is or what. I'll upload a picture tomorrow to illustrate what I want to do but for now you will have to use your imagination.

I want to stack beds of soil or coco, each bed being 30cm high there will be 3 beds per unit and possibly 4 units to place around a series of vertical bulbs, the bottom one will have a bottom, but the other two will have no top or bottom. Let's pretend the bottom bed is 3.5 ft(105cm), the middle 2.5 ft/75cm, and the top 52.5cm/1.75 ft wide, and let's say that they are all 3 ft(90cm) long.

This leaves us with the dimensions this gives us a total of


3.5x3x1=10.5 cubic ft
2.5x3x1=7.5 cubic ft
1.75x3x1= 5.25 cubic ft for a grand total of 93 cubic ft assuming we use 4 of these contraptions! That's a lot of freaking soil! 1.5 cubic ft = 30lbs of soil so this all would weigh roughly 1860 lbs!

Given the dimensions of the beds they would be like stairs getting thinner as they go up. Alright here's for the dream scrog bit I'd like to utilize a domed shape scrog net but I don't know how I'd construct one. This would be ideal for a single bulb, but wouldn't matter as much when multiple bulbs are used, then I'd just go with straight vertical. I'd like to set this up in a basement with 3kw of light and see how efficient I can make a soil grow. The roots would have a ton of space, I'd probably only be looking at 20-36 plants or so for 3kw but I'd expect fat fat fat yields.

Any ideas on how to shape the net? If not I think multiple lights and a different stacking method would be best!

Thanks all,
MA3087


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Re: Dreaming of a semi vertical modified scrog? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #506889 - 12/20/10 07:26 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Id do it like this if you wanna go vertical



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Re: Dreaming of a semi vertical modified scrog? [Re: Loekino]
    #506890 - 12/20/10 07:33 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Did you even read the original post? My original idea and a climbing vertical scrog or whatever are unrelated.


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Re: Dreaming of a semi vertical modified scrog? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #506921 - 12/20/10 11:03 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i did, just didnt sound like you where very sure about it so i just threw in some coins!


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Re: Dreaming of a semi vertical modified scrog? [Re: Loekino]
    #506929 - 12/20/10 11:56 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Ok fair enough.

I did consider the shelving style V-scrog but it's not very practical in my opinion.


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Re: Dreaming of a semi vertical modified scrog? [Re: maryanne3087]
    #516347 - 01/20/11 08:48 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

So if you do the traditional horizontal grow you use 100% of the light.
If you do the vertical scrog, technically you are using 200% of the light. The stadium style only uses 140% of the light.

For the amount of work it is, I'm not sure it is worth it. You can just as easily stuff 2x the plants under lights horizontally, then cut the tops of the plants and leave the bottoms for an additional week or two. How efficient can you really be?


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Re: Dreaming of a semi vertical modified scrog? [Re: BigBudz]
    #519846 - 01/27/11 08:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Leaving the bottoms of plants in flower for an extra week or two is never the answer for efficiency in my opinion. I and everyone I know who is concerned with results have not done this, I'd rather discard them to start with. 2 weeks could be more than a quarter of a crop my friend, you think you're going to improve your yield by 25% in that time?

If you've ever actually done or witness well executed v-scrogs, horizontal grows, barb bulb grows, etc you'll see that the technical data supporting X % more canopy space, etc doesn't translate into yield especially when factors such as grams per watt/time are taken into consideration.

There's also problems running V-SCROG when you run as many lights as I'd want to run in my setup without limitless floorspace.

I feel like these beasts are too complicated to crunch without testing.

This is my dream, my dream may not make complete sense on paper but I am dreaming of a semi vertical scrog that is under a parabolic or something of sorts, climbing but not fully vertical, and with near limitless root space for a soil grow.


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