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 Budmanman
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 I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? 
#380777 - 03/09/10 05:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm?
I want nutes that are equally as good but not equally as expensive.
And is it ok to switch nutes mid grow?
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MushrooMan420
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Budmanman]
#380829 - 03/09/10 07:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well the cheapest thing to do is long term investments=buying in bulk
If you like organic stuff I use pure blend pro line but it is about the same price as Foxfarm.
Not knowing better I used the two interchangeably on my recent grow and it didn't do noticeable damage.
Nevertheless, I have been told by hydroponic growers that this is a bad idea and I will hurt my plants.
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 Hawksresurrection
Registered: 12/04/08
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: MushrooMan420]
#380916 - 03/09/10 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, Fox Farm is pretty much on the low end price wise of quality nutrient lines.
I wouldn't switch mid grow. But I've seen people do it with out consequence.
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Budmanman
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#381131 - 03/10/10 12:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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huh really? long ago I heard on this site I believe that fox farm is pricey and not really any better than some certain brand of nutes.
Must of been false info I suppose. well good to know at least
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Budmanman]
#381137 - 03/10/10 01:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think it's all that pricey. Especially compared to Advanced Nutrients and equivalents.
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Lucid
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#381179 - 03/10/10 08:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude go get yourself some floranova veg and bloom, 28$ a bottle and it will last you a long ass time. Magash said he use to use the super expensive nutes but he tried flora nova and it was just as good!! Hope that helps!
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Lucid]
#381540 - 03/10/10 09:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Floranova is more expensive than Fox Farm. Fox Farm is a relatively inexpensive nutrient. At 15.00 bucks for a quart size bottle, I'd say that's VERY reasonable. As compared to Floranova which is about 25-28 per quart.
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MushrooMan420
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#381559 - 03/10/10 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn you only pay $15, my hydroponic store chrages me $17 a qt. bottle for FoxFarm.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: MushrooMan420]
#381564 - 03/10/10 09:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well either way it's still one of the cheaper ones.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#381569 - 03/10/10 09:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hawksapprentice said:
Floranova is more expensive than Fox Farm. Fox Farm is a relatively inexpensive nutrient. At 15.00 bucks for a quart size bottle, I'd say that's VERY reasonable. As compared to Floranova which is about 25-28 per quart.
But what's the usage rate? you only use about 6ml/gallon of the Floranova line... the Foxfarm nutes might be cheaper by volume but don't you use like 15-20ml per gallon?
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#381582 - 03/10/10 10:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never used more than 10. I use up to 10 with Floranova as well.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#381585 - 03/10/10 10:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm interesting. I use Floranova at about 8ml/gallon.... interesting if Foxfarm has the same application rates and still lower prices. Might have to look into that.
I really want to try Advanced the most but fuck the damn prices.
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Pilze
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#381595 - 03/10/10 10:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya. advanced would be cool to play with. im using fox farm right now, (this is my first grow BTW) i think im just going to stick with fox farm from now on, but if i switch over to hydro i would definitely be using advanced nutrients. way cleaner solution than fox farm. big bloom really dirties it up, but that doesnt matter when using soil.
i agree, fox farm seems to be fairly inexpensive compared to other brands, but all ive ever heard about fox farm has been great stuff, and im definitely getting awesome results. im flushing my plants now so im not using nutrients anymore. i still have pretty much a full bottle of grow big, about 90% left of the tiger bloom and 75% left in my second quart of big bloom, and ive barely touched the cha ching.
id stick with fox farm. it seems pretty solid if you have the main 3 and the 3 micro nutrient solubles.
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Pilze
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#381599 - 03/10/10 10:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Harry_Ba11sach said:
hawksapprentice said:
Floranova is more expensive than Fox Farm. Fox Farm is a relatively inexpensive nutrient. At 15.00 bucks for a quart size bottle, I'd say that's VERY reasonable. As compared to Floranova which is about 25-28 per quart.
But what's the usage rate? you only use about 6ml/gallon of the Floranova line... the Foxfarm nutes might be cheaper by volume but don't you use like 15-20ml per gallon?
grow big: 5 mL
tiger bloom: 10-15mL
big bloom: 60 mL
all per gallon of course. thats what it says on the back of the bottles. (not in mL, i did the conversion) but the fox farm feed chart differs at times.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Pilze]
#381609 - 03/10/10 10:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I don't use their Big Bloom, I use Liquid Karma instead.
As far as mucking up your water in hydro. There's nothing wrong with that. Just because the water stays a bit more clear, doesn't really mean that it's better. FloraNova mucks it up a ton, but if your using the proper additives anyways it's going to get mucked up anyways.
I'd rather have it murky, that means there's more seaweed and kelp extract as well as bat guano and earthworm castings in there helping out your plants.
Also if your using something like Sub-Culture, which you should be, your going to get a bunch of gunk building up on the roots and along any tubing that's there as well. All beneficial gunk mind you.
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Ganjaryan
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#381615 - 03/10/10 10:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alaska brand fish fertilizer is around 7$ a bottle and works great. they sell it at home depot. its all natural and they have veg and bloom nutes.
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Inverted
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#381655 - 03/10/10 11:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your theory doesn't have much logic to it.
Fox Farms nutrients are MORE EXPENSIVE.
FloraNova is a 2 part all inclusive nutrient, where as to get the same coverage with FF, you have to buy all (3) bottles ($17/each) of liquid, plus use the powder additives (would need at least 2/3 stages @ $24/each)
Or you could Get FloraNova Bloom + Grow for $50, and if you really feel the need, you could get a powder supplement to go along with it for extra confidence.
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Lucid
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Inverted]
#381672 - 03/11/10 12:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inverted said:
Your theory doesn't have much logic to it.
Fox Farms nutrients are MORE EXPENSIVE.
FloraNova is a 2 part all inclusive nutrient, where as to get the same coverage with FF, you have to buy all (3) bottles ($17/each) of liquid, plus use the powder additives (would need at least 2/3 stages @ $24/each)
Or you could Get FloraNova Bloom + Grow for $50, and if you really feel the need, you could get a powder supplement to go along with it for extra confidence.
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dutc2006
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Lucid]
#381709 - 03/11/10 02:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea I use a single cheaper PK booster (1-52-34) in lieu of Beastie Bloomz and Cha Ching and save some money. In the Beastie Bloomz stage I just use a little less. Works perfect.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Inverted]
#382260 - 03/11/10 09:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inverted said:
Your theory doesn't have much logic to it.
Fox Farms nutrients are MORE EXPENSIVE.
FloraNova is a 2 part all inclusive nutrient, where as to get the same coverage with FF, you have to buy all (3) bottles ($17/each) of liquid, plus use the powder additives (would need at least 2/3 stages @ $24/each)
Or you could Get FloraNova Bloom + Grow for $50, and if you really feel the need, you could get a powder supplement to go along with it for extra confidence.
Not at all. If your using floranova, which I do then you also should be feeding floralicious as well if you want to stick with your method of using a products full line.
You can use Fox Farm with out the BB without a problem. And like I think I said said, I prefer Liquid Karma to BB anyways.
If we want to get technical you should also be using a mycorrizhae type of product on top of your regular nutrient regimen. As well as a product like Sweet. Also Root Accelerator would be a good addition as well.
But this is all if your just wanting to improve the quality and yield that your get in the end. You can run the full cycle with just grow and bloom without a problem if you don't have much money or are wanting to be cheap.
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Inverted
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#382263 - 03/11/10 09:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I was basically getting at the most bang for your buck type of deal.
I use FN and use Cha Ching with it, and also a little fish and seaweed fertilizer, and molasses. I just couldn't justify throwing down $60 for the FF trio, when I have heard better reviews from FloraNova... To each their own, and whatever works for ya! I might try FF next grow or maybe for my OD plots...
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Inverted]
#382268 - 03/11/10 09:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fox Farm does spectacularly, again it's not what I grow with, but it's a great line up. But Floranova is NOT cheaper if you factor in that you need to buy Floralicious to become equal to the trio line as you say.
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#382274 - 03/11/10 09:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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" But Floranova is NOT cheaper if you factor in that you need to buy Floralicious to become equal to the trio line as you say."
FN isn't the cheapest that part true.
But my yeilds went up when I quit using Floralicious by over 1/4 oz. per plant.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Stoneth]
#382275 - 03/11/10 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wait a second... you stopped using floralicious and your yields went up?
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#382277 - 03/11/10 09:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes sir.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Stoneth]
#382278 - 03/11/10 09:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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how does that work? did the potency go down or something?
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#382288 - 03/11/10 09:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not that I can tell and I smoke enough I should notice.
My reason I quit using it was I noticed the water in the res was the same color as the day I mixed it.
So first I cut back the dosage and seen no signs of changes other than the healthier plants seemed to grow better.
So I took it out altogether and later harvested my first 1/2 lb plant ever.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#382291 - 03/11/10 10:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like I said, I prefer Liquid Karma to Floralicious.
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#382297 - 03/11/10 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hawksapprentice said:
Like I said, I prefer Liquid Karma to Floralicious.
Sounds like something to try in the near future.
I like gaining the experience.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Stoneth]
#382301 - 03/11/10 10:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you have extra money and want to increase the "funk" of your bud, I wholly recommend you get a product called Budswell. It will seriously give your plants WAY more stink.
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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#382307 - 03/11/10 10:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rly?
I don't really need more smell from my FN runs.
But I'll add it to my BC room tho.
I wasn't happy with the first harvest from that room so I working with it to make me happy.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Stoneth]
#382337 - 03/11/10 11:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can always use more smell man....ALWAYS. I'm talking about the stanky mother fucking danky with that additive. I've never used BC so I can't really comment on that.
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masterkush420
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 Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#416226 - 05/11/10 11:36 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I use Botanicare Pure Blend Pro nuits....works great for me! 
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ThUmB pRiNt
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#423420 - 05/24/10 07:33 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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So what exactly do u use? Would u be so kind as to post a list of all the nutes u use even all the extra ones.....PLEASE!?
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#423776 - 05/25/10 02:20 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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I don't know what all hawksapprentice uses, but I'll list mine just for fun. Keep in mind I do a hydro grow, I know very little about soil.
veg.
After seedlings are really for feed, I use
5 ml per gallon Floranova grow, 3 mls fulic acid per gallon, 3 ml Rootjuice per gallon, and 1 ml Superthrive per 3 gallons.
I run this til the plants are a foot tall usually two to three weeks.
Flowering.
Week 1 4 ml Floranova grow per gallon, 4 ml Floranova Bloom per gallon, 4 ml Liquid Koolbloom per gallon, 3 ml fulic acid per gallon, 3 ml Rootjuice per gallon, 5 ml Snow Strom Ultra, 1 tsp Budswell dry per gallon, and 1 ml Superthrive per 3 gallons.
At the beginning of week 2 I don't change the res I add 8 ml Liquid KoolBloom per gallon topping off res and run this thru week 3.
Week 4 and 5 8 ml Floranova Bloom per gallon, 4 ml Liquid KoolBloom per gallon, 3/4 tsp Dry KoolBloom per gallon, 5 ml Snow Strom Ultra per gallon, 1 tsp Dry Budswell per gallon, 3 ml fulic acid per gallon, 3 ml Rootjuice per gallon, 8 ml FloraNecter per gallon, and 1 ml Superthrive per 3 gallons.
The first two days of week 5 I use Gavity at 2 ml per gallon, I'll repeat that at week 7 as well.
Week 6 and 7 8 ml Floranova Bloom per gallon, 8 ml Floranecter per gallon, 1 tsp Budswell per gallon, 1 1/2 tsp Dry KoolBloom per gallon, 3 ml fulic acid, and 1 ml Superthrive per 3 gallon.
I run my ph at 5.8 to 6.2 while feeding.
Week 8 for the first three days I run either FloraKleen at 8 ml per gallon or ClearX at 15 ml per gallon both products work well.
To finish out week 8 I run just water at a ph of 7.0 til harvest.
Hope this helps a little.
Edited by Stoneth (05/25/10 05:55 PM)
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ThUmB pRiNt
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Stoneth]
#423849 - 05/25/10 05:39 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Thanks stoney 
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#423853 - 05/25/10 05:57 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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No problem man.
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ThUmB pRiNt
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Stoneth]
#424440 - 05/26/10 10:43 PM (16 years, 8 days ago) |
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Any pics of the results?
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Stoneth
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#424756 - 05/27/10 04:44 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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ThUmB pRiNt
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Stoneth]
#424870 - 05/27/10 10:57 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Thanks again Brother!!!
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ThUmB pRiNt
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#429366 - 06/06/10 02:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So what do u use throughout the whole grow? I really like your results. VERY NICE!
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starrider
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Re: I use fox farm nutes and soil. What nutes are just as good and cheaper than fox farm? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#429968 - 06/08/10 03:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dude, you pay for what you get. If you want yuor plants to grow buy Fox Farm but if you want to starve your plants buy the cheap shit. Keep in mind, don't take any short cuts in growing. Your plant will know.
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