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OfflineRustyShaklford


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Soil mix?
    #124925 - 09/23/08 01:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I got some shroom growin shtuff layin around soo

coco coir
Jiffy mix (sphagnum peat & perlite w/ lime, it at 7-7.5 ph.)
Vermiculite, maybe to help it hold water?
Gypsum - to keep the peat's ph where its at.

My first time growing buds indoors, ditchweed ran a muck out at the hunting spot so all that bud is screwed. I got all the necessary lights, space, and my bro has some mg fertilizer handy i just dunno what kind of nutrients i'll need to have in the soil.


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OfflineSirius
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Re: Soil mix? [Re: RustyShaklford]
    #124953 - 09/23/08 07:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What are you using to measure your pH? The metal probes you stick into the soil aren't going to be very accurate, but if you are measuring with some kind of chemical test kit or a pH wand, I'd recommend only using the coco. :wink:

That sucks about your outdoor plants. :mad2: I don't know if MG fertilizer is going to work very well for you; it might be better to find a good line of hydroponic nutrients.


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: Sirius]
    #125025 - 09/23/08 02:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah none of that stuff has nutrients in it. It's all pretty much barren. I hate to keep doing this but if you pop over to icmag and look under their Organic soil the sticky organics for beginners has some good organic recipes for soil. Personally I'm going to be running Fox Farm Ocean Soil with something like 40-50% perlite in it and possibly some blood meal added before hand. Water with water and molasses (have to find molasses ><) and possibly some guano teas and such. Good luck.


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125029 - 09/23/08 02:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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BlargIAmDead said:
I hate to keep doing this but if you pop over to icmag and look under their Organic soil the sticky organics for beginners has some good organic recipes for soil.




If you hate doing this, then you need to go over there, steal the information, and post it in a thread here, and even go so far as to make a wiki article about it for the front site. :razz:

:grin: :jah:


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: Sirius]
    #125035 - 09/23/08 02:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thievery! Bad :spank:! Will go yank the info now :laugh:


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125036 - 09/23/08 02:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Its in the name of science, and art, and all that... not to mention getting you to stop sending people elsewhere. :nono:


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: Sirius]
    #125038 - 09/23/08 02:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yanked and posted good sir!


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125080 - 09/23/08 05:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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BlargIAmDead said:
Yeah none of that stuff has nutrients in it. It's all pretty much barren. 


 


Coir has no nutrients? I dunno about weed but I've used coir hundreds of times as a bulk substrate (for shrooms, which require a f'ton of nutes), it's highly nutritious for boomers, just lacks some nitrogen so i added coffee grounds to the mix in order to gain more than 2 flushes. . . BTW a friend will hook me up with bat guano and some kind of nitrogen additive, i have no idea what it is but he uses it, or used to at least.


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: RustyShaklford]
    #125152 - 09/23/08 11:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I believe coir is basically nutrition less for weed. Weed != shrooms. If you grow in coir you're basically growing soiless. :wink:


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125223 - 09/24/08 10:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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BlargIAmDead said:
I believe coir is basically nutrition less for weed. Weed != shrooms. If you grow in coir you're basically growing soiless. :wink:




Yes, coco coir is treated as a soilless mix, but it isn't as if coco doesn't have nutrients in it. There is something that occurs in coco (or soil or whatever) called cation exchange, which basically involves how electrolytes are taken-in and released by the coco. When you administer nutrients, the coco will take in magnesium and calcium, and it will release potassium and sodium. :wink:


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: Sirius]
    #125405 - 09/25/08 03:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I see  :strokebeard:....Still wouldn't call it a soil :P


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #125415 - 09/25/08 11:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Bah i feel like i'm re-learning shrooms again.  What is the difference between a soilles medium and a soil? Is soil medium literally based off dirt or what?  This is confusing meh.

BTW i'm trying the mix i originally posted, and also a rough mixture of quality, kansas dirt, it came straight from between my huge tomato garden and a huge compost pile.  Throwing in jiffy mix and verm with it, but dunno if i should add any coco coir?

Sorry but another question: I've read on here that trichodermia mold is benificial to herb, in what way though?  One of the small outdoor plots has some trich infected substrate in it and um, yes or no to that?


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: Sirius]
    #125427 - 09/25/08 01:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Sirius said:
When you administer nutrients, the coco will take in magnesium and calcium, and it will release potassium and sodium. :wink:




thats some nifty shit!  got any links explaining it?


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Re: Soil mix? [Re: Chapter 4]
    #125965 - 09/27/08 01:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Trichoderma IS useful to plants so I don't think it would hurt to toss an infected chunk in there. If you have a compost pile that is good quality soil....USE THAT! :laugh:

Make a nice mixture of compost, perlite, coco, and some other nutrients (worm castings, bone/blood meal, kelp). Since you would already have compost in there maybe feed the mixture for three days with some water and molasses (damp not sopping and turn it daily) and you'll have some outstanding soil for your plants. This wetting and turning process it to promote beneficial bacteria and fungi that will break down the blood/bone meal and other nutes to give the plants available carbs :smile:. (At least that's my understanding to this point)


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