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OfflineFrozenReality
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Re: Lungs [Re: elcharrosays]
    #347454 - 01/14/10 07:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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elcharrosays said:
How fucked do you think yours are?

I've been coughing up specks of black stuff (sometimes more like giant globs) for the better part of the last 2 years and from what I understand it's a good thing. When your lungs are given time to rest they attempt to repair themselves and the tiny cilia that are coated in tar stand up and begin expelling the gunk. I've been spitting a lot lately but if my body is trying to get rid of something I'd rather not just swallow it back down.

I've noticed it's a lot more prevalent in the mornings and continues throughout the day until I smoke anything and then it returns to just a yellowish phlegm. Kind of like my body just temporarily regresses after being reintroduced to smoke and gives up on healing itself. This began when I quit smoking cigarettes but I definitely notice smoking weed is a major contributing factor. I've read plenty about how marijuana smoke isn't as harmful as cigarette smoke and that thc can actually negate some of the carcinogenic effects of smoking but I guess I'm just realizing this stuff still takes it's toll, especially if you smoke yourself retarded with it.

Like I said, been coughing shit up for about 2 years now and I'm kind of wondering when it's ever going to end.. which also leads me to wonder just how exactly filled up with tar my lungs must be.

Been smoking weed for 9 years, 5 on the daily, smoked a pack a day for 3 years and have had 1-3 loosies every couple of months since.




congradulations you officially talked me into buying a valcanoand It only took the first paragraph. I dont smoke cigs but maybe once a year, a few cigars here and there and smoke pot maybe once or twice every other weekend for the past 6 years, I like to keep my tolerance down so I get more from less and well after what I read in your post.. fuck that.

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Re: Lungs [Re: FrozenReality]
    #347455 - 01/14/10 07:54 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

you would not say that if 60% of the population smoked meth... like they do cigs.


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Re: Lungs [Re: Homosapian]
    #347456 - 01/14/10 08:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't smoke cigs so I'm not really sure.  I'm sure my lung capacity has gone down some what but I've never coughed up any black shit or had any problems breathing.


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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

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Re: Lungs [Re: Homosapian]
    #347457 - 01/14/10 08:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck double post.  I thought the growery was supposed to prevent this from happening.


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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:

Edited by THEBats (01/14/10 08:09 AM)

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Re: Lungs [Re: Homosapian]
    #347463 - 01/14/10 08:32 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Homosapian said:
why in the world would you smoke meff :sad:




Because a guy with an assault rifle told me if I didn't hit it I was a NARC.

Good reason in my book.

My uncle/cousins lives were ruined by meth, it was quite a blow to have to do it psychologically.

But shit happens.


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Re: Lungs [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #347470 - 01/14/10 08:44 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I've read that living within a mile of a major interstate highway can alone cause up to 1% loss of lung function per year...

Then there's the dust, mold and allergens too.

Unless you're a total health nut, there's probably just as much other shit going on with your lungs than just smoking anyway...

I recently switched to american spirits though, so I'll probably live forever now.

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Re: Lungs [Re: DudeTron]
    #347474 - 01/14/10 08:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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FrozenReality said:
you officially talked me into buying a valcano




Check out www.fuckcombustion.com and do some research if you don't feel like spending 500 bucks on a vape.  Some really good options are discussed there.  Purple Days, Silver Surfer, Vriptech, Arizer, and they're all hundreds of dollars less.


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Re: Lungs [Re: 81renaissance]
    #347525 - 01/14/10 11:40 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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81renaissance said:
Quote:

FrozenReality said:
you officially talked me into buying a valcano




Check out www.fuckcombustion.com and do some research if you don't feel like spending 500 bucks on a vape.  Some really good options are discussed there.  Purple Days, Silver Surfer, Vriptech, Arizer, and they're all hundreds of dollars less.





yes indeed do your research first.  Volcano's for some reason are viewed as the Holy Grail of vaporizers, which I thought so too until I started looking at other options.

fuckcombustion is a wonderful resource, after you do your research there PM me and I'd be happy to assist you in finding the vaporizer that's right for your needs if that forum doesn't answer your questions.


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Re: Lungs [Re: Fox]
    #347530 - 01/14/10 11:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I have a silver surfer and it rocks :thumbup:

vaporizing definitely is a different high than smoking though, and a lot of people don't really like that


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Re: Lungs [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #347532 - 01/14/10 12:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

true, but the type of high is also largely dependent on the type of vaporizer used, method of vaporizing, and quality of cannabis used.


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Re: Lungs [Re: Fox]
    #347533 - 01/14/10 12:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm... do any vapes have a similar high as smoking? my SS is a much more clear headed high, but sometimes it's way too light for me. if I'm looking to get baked it's just not really possible with that utensil


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Re: Lungs [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #347535 - 01/14/10 12:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

does the SS have a variable temperature setting?


If so, you might be setting it too low.  Having a low setting, depending on how efficient the vape is, will only vaporize THC which will account for that clear head high.  Crank the temperature up and you will effectively vaporize the majority of THC and also CBD and CBN, among other cannabinoids that are responsible for the "baked" high.

THC has a lower boiling point than most other cannabinoids.


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Re: Lungs [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #347537 - 01/14/10 12:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

kelly and slater brah, slater and kelly.


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FurrowedBrow said:

They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Re: Lungs [Re: Fox]
    #347544 - 01/14/10 12:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

it does have variable temp, but it's touchy. sometimes it's too hot and the weed will actually ignite, which obviously is not the goal


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Re: Lungs [Re: MFDoom666]
    #347550 - 01/14/10 12:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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MFDoom666 said:
kelly and slater brah, slater and kelly.





:rofldrunk:

zack and jesse bitch


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Re: Lungs [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #347551 - 01/14/10 12:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:finger:


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FurrowedBrow said:

They should teach african engineering at the college level.  mcgyver 101

Harry_Ba11sach said:

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Re: Lungs [Re: MFDoom666]
    #347552 - 01/14/10 12:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl:

screech and lisa :lmafo:


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Re: Lungs [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #347553 - 01/14/10 12:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

you might have to do a bit of experimentation.

If you can get a thermometer and make an accurate reading, this guide should help you:

Phytocannabinoids, their boiling points, and properties

Δ-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD)
Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN)
Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC)
Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

Δ-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ-8-THC)
Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Resembles Δ-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant





Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties

β-myrcene
Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

β-caryophyllene
Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool
Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone
Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

α-pinene
Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

α-terpineol
Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol
Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

borneol
Boiling point: 210*C / 410 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Δ-3-carene 0.004% 168 Antiinflammatory

Δ-3-carene
Boiling point: 168*C / 334.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory





Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties

apigenin
Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin
Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A
Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

β-sitosterol
Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-α-reductase, inhibitor

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If you want a vaporized high very similar to a combusted high, you need to try and get the heat setting just a hair under actually igniting the herb.  However this does in fact negate the use of a vaporizer because the closer to ignition the more toxins you release.  Turn the heat up to just before ignition and take a big hit, blow the vapor cloud into a light and observe the color... it should have a blue hue to it.  That would be benzene, a nasty chemical.  Turn the heat down slightly and you will see the blue disappear, meaning the benzene is left behind in the plant matter.

Keep this in mind though, something that many people overlook when considering vaporizers...  Igniting cannabis actually lets out toxins that cause lethargy, which is a big precursor to the "baked" feeling.  Add on top of that using a butane lighter and flint smoke, you ingest a lot of nasty chemicals that all work together to produce certain effects.  Just as you would essentially get a different high if you use matches or a wic rather than a lighter... do you ever see any connoisseur cigar smokers using bic lighter? no way!  When you make the leap to vaporizing, you're cutting out a significant amount of toxins, most of the ones which cause lethargy.  This indeed gives you a much clearer high, so it's not possible to get 100% the same high from vaping than you would from smoking.  It's a trade-off.  The wonderful thing about vaporizing is that once you have the technique down and you understand the workings of the whole system, you can essentially pick the kind of high you want.  Would you like a clean, "up" wake-n-bake, how about a locked on the couch stone, a high good for outdoor sports...?  it's great fun!


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Re: Lungs [Re: Fox]
    #347574 - 01/14/10 01:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Why didn't you add a stal to the cigarette one?


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Re: Lungs [Re: Fox]
    #347576 - 01/14/10 01:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

holy shit man I've been looking for a breakdown like that for years

:bow2:  :bow2:  :bow2:


but yeah regularly vaporized weed definitely lacks that certain je ne sais quoi. Feels a lot like the difference between sativa and indica, vaporizing feels a lot more heady and not so much body stone. I've always just attributed it to the fact that you're only vaping THC and a lot of the extra cannabinoids are left behind in the duff. I always save my vaped weed to either bake with or smoke when ridiculously desperate.

vaping is awesome but a lot of the time you just really want that full spectrum high and the sensation of smoke is a major part of the ritual.


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