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OfflineMr. Hands
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What am I doing wrong here?
    #321822 - 11/26/09 10:29 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I have two ebb and flow tables.  One I use for a week of vegetative and then the first three weeks of fruiting.  Then I move it to the other table for the last five weeks of fruiting.  I am using B.C. nutrients (B.C. Boost, B.C. Bloom, Awesome Blossoms, etc..).  I am following the instructions and making sure that the PH is good. 

Things look great for the first few weeks then about week 4-5 of fruiting I start seeing a rust-type thing invade my leaves.  It continues and by the time it's ready to harvest the fruits are stringy and never reach their full potential.  My PH is 5.8-6.3, but I am experimenting with 5.6 now to see what happens.

Should I try different nutes?


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #321832 - 11/26/09 11:36 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

That is really peculiar that this happened to you. I picked up the "recipe for success" starter kit with the bc bloom, boost, etc. i used the awesome bolossom and all that and I encountered the same thing. I thought it was some kind of bug i hadnt discovered yet. i cant believe i read this. the problem became apparent when a month into flowering and the yield was way off. I only got 1/4 p from a 1000w and was pissed! i used to use flora nova and it was boss! i'd swithc to flora nova! i plan on it if i ever get going again.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: joshisstoned]
    #322004 - 11/26/09 03:40 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I have used the recipe for success with great results, you have to flush weekly though.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #322029 - 11/26/09 04:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

What exactly do you do?  Please give me a step-by-step instruction guide.

I have to hand haul the water to and from my resevoir.  Continually emptying and filling it is not an option (I would be busy for 4 hours each day).  Is there an easier way or a certain brand of nutrients where I have to do as little maintenance as is possible?  I am lazy.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #322165 - 11/27/09 05:28 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

General Hydroponics Flora Nova Series. People rave about it on here.

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TheShroomJew23 said:
I have used the recipe for success with great results, you have to flush weekly though.




You've just about done all there is to do cultivating pot, haven't you? :tongue:


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TomCollins]
    #322173 - 11/27/09 09:02 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Does Flora Nova come with step by step instructions that will guide me through everything?  For example, if I did not have the little guide that came with the B.C. stuff I would have never known that I had to use B.C. Boost, B.C. Bloom, and Awesome Blossoms all at the same time and in certain quantities.

Also, is it possible for me to use the B.C. stuff in the early stages and then switch to Flora Nova in the third week of budding (merely so that I don't have to throw away all of the B.C. stuff I have).


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #322211 - 11/27/09 10:30 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Well I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "step by step" but yes there are instructions that tell you how much to use and when.

http://www.generalhydroponics.com/genhydro_US/feeding_charts/GH_KeepItSimple_Recirculating.pdf

The GH website has lots of information that makes using their products seemingly very easy to use. They have both a feeding schedule and nutrient calculator. They also have PDF files of the labels on the bottles, and it seems that the bottles do have instructions telling how much to use and when.

I imagine you could swap the nutrients, though I think using the B.C. stuff would be a waste of time in comparison to the potential yields you could get by using the floranova stuff all the way through. Before you switch nutrients make sure you flush.

Magash would definitely be able to give you some great info. I'm sure he'll give his two cents at some point, if not send him a PM. :smile:


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TomCollins]
    #322279 - 11/27/09 01:39 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

The chart you listed is not very descriptive.  It does not tell a person what weeks to do all of this stuff in.  Is the "Aggressive Bloom" formula for weeks 6 and 7 for example?

I usually vegetate for 1 week and then fruit for 8 weeks.  The reason I don't veg. long is because the plants just get too massive and I continually have to prune them and raise the light.  I like smaller more compact plants.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #322282 - 11/27/09 02:00 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Lol bro... First of all, plants aren't like that. You can't expect to be told exactly what weeks to do this stuff in. How can you expect a nutrient schedule to be the same for EVERY PLANT in EVERY circumstance possible? There are a lot of factors that play into growing. Lights for example. Different Cannabis strains require different amounts of time for vegging and fruiting. You have to play it by eye unfortunately.

Second of all, there is no "Aggressive bloom" formula. Please read the chart. "Aggressive bloom" merely refers to adding 2.5 extra ml of Floranova Bloom for a faster bloom. It's there merely to indicate that you can do this with floranova nutrients and what is the safe range for increasing the nutrient level. 

I don't know how much easier a chart can be? Would you like me to walk you through it? I'm not trying to be an ass but I honestly don't understand how you don't find the chart easy and informative. So like I said, I'll walk you through it if you want.

You veg for one week? From seedling to plant, you veg for one week? That's unusual. How tall do your plants get in that amount of time? Do you have pictures of your setup and the yields you pull? I'm actually very intrigued that you do this and successfully I assume? What strain do you grow? That's a real waste imo, you should consider a scrog or tying down to minimize the height of your plants. That way you could get a much higher yield per plant.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TomCollins]
    #322585 - 11/28/09 10:48 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I understand that some strains and indica vs. sativa do have different flowering times, but eight weeks is pretty standard for a lot of strains.  I have no clue what I have.  I got it from a friend of a friend of a friend.

I anticipate that I will be going to buy these Flora Nova nutrients in several weeks.  I will probably be popping in to ask questions about them.  I'm not terribly knowledgeable about all of this stuff so I'm sorry if I sound like an idiot.  The guy at the store just said to follow the B.C. instructions and keep my PH at 5.8-6.3 and everything else would take care of itself.  Well, he was wrong it appears.

I do clones.  Once they are rooted I put them under the H.P.S. and start the veg phase.  The plants continue to grow significantly during flowering.  If I veg them to a foot tall, they are three feet tall by the time I am done with flowering.  This makes them unmanageable.  Also, I end up with tons of tiny little fruits instead of the big monsters that we all want.  So, I have noticed that 1 week of vegging seems to work best.  At the end of the eight week period the plants are about a foot tall.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #322637 - 11/28/09 01:05 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Ah I see. I didn't know you worked with clones. I was thinking, "seed to flowering in a week...That's just silly." :tongue:

Like I said, just play it by eye. Just use the recommended amount for growth and blooming. Also, just fyi: you don't need the floralicious stuff or the koolbloom. For the floranova series you only need the Grow and Bloom. :-)


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #322825 - 11/28/09 09:29 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Does Flora Nova come with step by step instructions that will guide me through everything?  For example, if I did not have the little guide that came with the B.C. stuff I would have never known that I had to use B.C. Boost, B.C. Bloom, and Awesome Blossoms all at the same time and in certain quantities.

Also, is it possible for me to use the B.C. stuff in the early stages and then switch to Flora Nova in the third week of budding (merely so that I don't have to throw away all of the B.C. stuff I have).



I hope this link will save you much time.

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/268294#268294

I have been running something close to it here.

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/284710#284710


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #323461 - 11/30/09 05:43 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I have used the recipe for success with great results, you have to flush weekly though.




I wouldn't listen to this chump, he seems to pull advise out of his ass.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: captain.koons]
    #323702 - 11/30/09 04:42 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

FUCK YOU CAPTAIN.KOONS, I HAVE USED THIS NUTRIENT SINCE 2004.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #323825 - 11/30/09 06:24 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I have a close friend using the BC package as well.

He is running at half the recommended amount.

Does this sound about right to you?

Are you running anywhere near that or more?

This would help him greatly.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Stoneth]
    #324062 - 11/30/09 09:26 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

When I make my solution I make a master bottle that is just the pure nutrients combined. I then add half the normal amount and slowly bring the concentration up throughout several days depending on how the plants react. If mixed right and used catiously these nutrients produce some serious buds.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #324067 - 11/30/09 09:29 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

is that the year you built your 1kw cfl array?

or your 1kilo a week aeroponics setup?

or your no brancing 6week harvested strain which yields you 1kilo a week?

or the year you added birth control pills to your outdoor plants to yield a redwood sized cannabis plant?


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: captain.koons]
    #324171 - 11/30/09 10:40 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Koons, just wondering if you can read. My aero system had 64 mutha fucking 3ft tall plants and I harvested a kilo per harvest but I did perpetual harvest to make drop time 2 weeks. There are several strains out on the market that grow like spears and branch minimally already. Finally, it is a proven theory that the hormones in birth control pills cause extreme growth in plants. Finally, GO FUCK YOUR TROLLS.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #324233 - 11/30/09 11:22 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Koons, just wondering if you can read. My aero system had 64 mutha fucking 3ft tall plants and I harvested a kilo per harvest but I did perpetual harvest to make drop time 2 weeks. There are several strains out on the market that grow like spears and branch minimally already. Finally, it is a proven theory that the hormones in birth control pills cause extreme growth in plants. Finally, GO FUCK YOUR TROLLS.




Ok, I'm having some problems with this.

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64 mutha fucking 3ft tall plants and I harvested a kilo per harvest but I did perpetual harvest to make drop time 2 weeks.


Now explain this. Sounds like you are saying you harvested a kilo every two weeks. Now if this is true you plants are over 4 times thicker then these

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There are several strains out on the market that grow like spears and branch minimally already.


Which ones? I had to breed my own that didn't branch.

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Finally, it is a proven theory that the hormones in birth control pills cause extreme growth in plants.


  No it absolutely is not proven. Not even proven with tomatoes where this all started.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #324244 - 11/30/09 11:27 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I had a grow like this a year ago. I built an aeroponic system out of 4in pvc and 1in pvc that gave each plant 6in^2 to grow in. It had 64 plants and was 4x4ft, I grew each plant to 3ft and I used a hybrid so I would get long thick main buds with not much branching so the light penatrated very far down. I could easily pull a few ounces a plant and I harvested about 13 plants every week.




13 plants a week / 64 plants total = 4.6 week flowering time :laugh:

13plants @ 3oz (minimal of a few) = over a kilo a week


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: captain.koons]
    #324858 - 12/01/09 08:46 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

KOONS, you still dont't fucking understand I was harvesting over a 10 week flowering period. I had several setups that I would combine to reach the 64 plant level. Magash, I wasn't fully truthful, I kind of forgot that I was clipping branches to help keep the spear but I was gifted several clones from my good friend that grew rather compact and he said he bought the from online originally. Also, I swear I remember reading a published article about birth control boosting growths. To be 100% honest I did get a monster plant that grew taller than my hand can reach which is 8ft plus it fell over and I staked it and it continued to grow about two arm lengths. I promise I will record all data this summer and attempt to recreate it and if I cant you can ban me.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #324953 - 12/02/09 12:43 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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TheShroomJew23 said:
I had a grow like this a year ago. I built an aeroponic system out of 4in pvc and 1in pvc that gave each plant 6in^2 to grow in. It had 64 plants and was 4x4ft, I grew each plant to 3ft and I used a hybrid so I would get long thick main buds with not much branching so the light penatrated very far down. I could easily pull a few ounces a plant and I harvested about 13 plants every week.




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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #324968 - 12/02/09 02:02 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I promise I will record all data this summer and attempt to recreate it and if I cant you can ban me.




You know, I think if you just show us some of the results of one of your indoor grows you would stop getting thrashed like this. :shrug:


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TomCollins]
    #325360 - 12/02/09 05:47 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not calling anybody a liar. I have some major problems with some of the claims though.

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I could easily pull a few ounces a plant and I harvested about 13 plants every week.


In order for this to happen there needs to be way way more space then 4x4 this is not going to happen in terms of a kilo every few weeks.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: captain.koons]
    #325383 - 12/02/09 06:04 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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TheShroomJew23 said:
I had a grow like this a year ago. I built an aeroponic system out of 4in pvc and 1in pvc that gave each plant 6in^2 to grow in. It had 64 plants and was 4x4ft, I grew each plant to 3ft and I used a hybrid so I would get long thick main buds with not much branching so the light penatrated very far down. I could easily pull a few ounces a plant and I harvested about 13 plants every week.







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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: captain.koons]
    #326171 - 12/03/09 05:56 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

fuck, you guys are all nubs.  I harvest 10 kilos every three days.

Learn to grow.

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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: coda]
    #326320 - 12/03/09 09:19 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

and your only using a 250watt and 2sq feet of space. :wink::crazymonkey:


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Magash]
    #326436 - 12/03/09 11:14 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I've always wondered what buds taste like from a 250watt :laugh:


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #326757 - 12/04/09 04:25 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

You should never mix bottled nutes together by themselves before adding them to water.  Always add nutes to water separately for best results.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: night train]
    #326825 - 12/04/09 05:41 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah in fact with most nutes, if I'm not mistaken, there's a specific order you have to add the nutes to the water to get optimal results.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: TomCollins]
    #342222 - 01/07/10 11:53 AM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Well, things are looking up.  I got a much higher quality PH tester and am now managing to keep the PH between 5.6-5.8.  The plants look much healthier.

I am still interested in trying out the Flora Nova nutrients.  But, I have a bunch of the B.C. stuff left.  Is it possible to vegetate and do the first two weeks of fruiting with the B.C. stuff and then empty the resevoir and finish the remaining six weeks with Flora Nova?  Or will the two types of nutrients clash and hurt or hinder the plants?


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #342227 - 01/07/10 12:02 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Oh, and another thing.  I am feeding four times a day during the light cycle at 15 minutes a pop.  Is that enough?  Everything looks pretty green so I assume it is, but I thought I would ask anyway.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #343515 - 01/08/10 07:49 PM (11 years, 17 days ago)

you should be ok.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: coda]
    #374332 - 02/26/10 09:05 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, I'm back!

I bought the FloraNova Bloom and Grow and am looking to get started.  But, I am still a little lost.  I looked at the back of the jug and the chart posted in this thread and the listed amounts per gallon are not the same.  Also, when it says "add 12.5 ml per gallon of water" how long does said nutrient solution last?  Does it last one week and then I have to add another 12.5 ml?  Or does it last longer?

Here's my setup:

Week 1: Start one week of pure vegetative cycle with clones.
Week 2: Start week 1 of budding cycle.
Week 3: Start week 2 of budding cycle.

-I use a mild mix of vegetative and fruiting nutrients that carries the crop through these first three weeks.  I then empty and clean out the resevoir for the start of Week 4.

Week 4: Start week 3 of budding cycle.
Week 5: Start week 4 of budding cycle.
Week 6: Start week 5 of budding cycle.
Week 7: Start week 6 of budding cycle.
Week 8: Start week 7 of budding cycle.
Week 9: Start week 8 of budding cycle.
Week 10: End week 8 of budding cycle and harvest.

-I don't have the ability to empty the resevoir every week.  I only do it at the beginning of my vegetative cycle and the beginning of week 3 of the budding cycle.  So, any nutrients I dump in there from week 3 of the budding cycle and on are going to stay in there.  Of course, I am worried about toxic nutrient/salt buildup.  During the last week I don't empty the resevoir of nutes, but I do add a bunch of fresh water to do the whole "last week cleansing thing".

I think I need somebody to hold my hand and give me step-by-step instructions as to what I should do exactly week-by-week.  :tongue2:


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #374344 - 02/26/10 09:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

you mix new batches of nutrients. or at least you should.


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    #374373 - 02/26/10 10:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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you mix new batches of nutrients. or at least you should.




I realize that is optimal.  But, I do not have the ability to empty the resevoir other than the beginning of week 3 of the fruiting cycle.


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    #374378 - 02/26/10 10:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I've grown literally 100lbs off 1 plant in 2 weeks of flowering, using nothing but cat piss as a nutriant. And that was after I nuked my seeds in the microwave.


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    #374390 - 02/26/10 10:34 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

if that's the case you have the option of topping off your reservoir.

I believe there's a section somewhere in here about topping off your reservoir.

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm


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    #374468 - 02/27/10 03:47 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I've grown literally 100lbs off 1 plant in 2 weeks of flowering, using nothing but cat piss as a nutriant. And that was after I nuked my seeds in the microwave.



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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #374571 - 02/27/10 12:54 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Ok, I'm back!

I bought the FloraNova Bloom and Grow and am looking to get started.  But, I am still a little lost.  I looked at the back of the jug and the chart posted in this thread and the listed amounts per gallon are not the same.  Also, when it says "add 12.5 ml per gallon of water" how long does said nutrient solution last?  Does it last one week and then I have to add another 12.5 ml?  Or does it last longer?

Here's my setup:

Week 1: Start one week of pure vegetative cycle with clones.
Week 2: Start week 1 of budding cycle.
Week 3: Start week 2 of budding cycle.

-I use a mild mix of vegetative and fruiting nutrients that carries the crop through these first three weeks.  I then empty and clean out the resevoir for the start of Week 4.

Week 4: Start week 3 of budding cycle.
Week 5: Start week 4 of budding cycle.
Week 6: Start week 5 of budding cycle.
Week 7: Start week 6 of budding cycle.
Week 8: Start week 7 of budding cycle.
Week 9: Start week 8 of budding cycle.
Week 10: End week 8 of budding cycle and harvest.

-I don't have the ability to empty the resevoir every week.  I only do it at the beginning of my vegetative cycle and the beginning of week 3 of the budding cycle.  So, any nutrients I dump in there from week 3 of the budding cycle and on are going to stay in there.  Of course, I am worried about toxic nutrient/salt buildup.  During the last week I don't empty the resevoir of nutes, but I do add a bunch of fresh water to do the whole "last week cleansing thing".

I think I need somebody to hold my hand and give me step-by-step instructions as to what I should do exactly week-by-week.  :tongue2:



First thing I can say is don't use 12.5 ml per gallon of FN Grow more like 5 to 8 ml per gallon is enough, man.

I would also say find a way to change out that res, if not invest in a PPM meter to help prevent from over feeding.

I use FN myself and when starting feeding on new seedlings, or clones ready for feed I start with 2.5 ml per gallon the first week, then move up to 5 ml every week after for veg.

As for the first week of blooming I use 5 and 5 ml per gallon of FNG and FNB, and before I started using all the extra boosters I would run 8 to 10 ml per gallon FNB up to flush time.


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    #374586 - 02/27/10 01:21 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

wow as high as 8? Magash's Nutrient regime he posted only called for like 6.5ml/gallon for HEAVY growth.  Have you actually done 8ml/gallon without ill results? I might have to go mix up some more nutes if so, I've been feeding at half that strength


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    #374604 - 02/27/10 01:50 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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wow as high as 8? Magash's Nutrient regime he posted only called for like 6.5ml/gallon for HEAVY growth.  Have you actually done 8ml/gallon without ill results? I might have to go mix up some more nutes if so, I've been feeding at half that strength



Yes as I said without all the extras I'm running now.

But with the use of the boosters I had to cut it back to a little lower than even what Magash is using, but I also use less light than him so that explains that I think.

But if he's only using FNG and FNB then that should be OK.

I have ran as high as 10 ml per gallon without boosters such as Koolbloom liquid or dry.

I didn't see the OP saying anything about using them so I went back to my first grow with FN brand.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Stoneth]
    #374614 - 02/27/10 02:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

hmm... I just mixed up some new nutes this morning with 5.5ml of FNG and that's it. I think I'm going to go add another ml at least to the gallon and see how my girls like it. I've got a 600W MH only about 18" from the canopy so they should be good I think. 

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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #374625 - 02/27/10 02:21 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

No joke man, I've ran the Grow as strong as 10 ml without hurting any of my plants before, but at the end of the week when I changed and clean the res I could see they didn't eat a lot of it so I cut back a little until I got it where the water is almost completely clear come change out time.

I've got to get my friends camera and update my grow log today.

Got some funny clones going.

I'll explain that in the log.

Can't wait to see what some will have to say.:lol:

I even remember trying the recommended 12.5 once, that about killed everything I had.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Stoneth]
    #374768 - 02/27/10 06:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, how's this for a feeding program?

1.  5 ml of Grow per gallon, 5 ml of Bloom per gallon.  This will last three weeks (one week of vegging and the first two weeks of flowering).  I empty the resevoir after this.

2.  5 ml of Grow per gallon, 5 ml of Bloom per gallon (with a fresh resevoir).  This will be for week 3 and 4 of the flowering cycle.

3.  6.5 ml of Grow per gallon, 6.5 ml of Bloom per gallon.  This will be for week 5, 6, and 7 of the flowering cycle.  This will not be a fresh resevoir.  These nutes will stack on the ones from step 2.

Is this a sufficient feeding setup that will give the plants what they need, but which will not have toxic nutrient buildup problems?


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #374784 - 02/27/10 07:26 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Step one looks OK as long as you watch the plants for lack of feed on the third week, it maybe a little weak.

But after that the FNG isn't needed for flowering.

If you're only using the two part system just use the FNB at around 8 to 10 ml per gallon.

You can play with that a little more around weeks 5 thru 7 as well, being some strains maybe able to handle up to 12.5 ml per gallon, but not all strains.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Stoneth]
    #374852 - 02/27/10 09:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, thanks for the help and such.

How about this?:

1. 6 ml Grow per gallon, 6 ml Bloom per gallon, (empty resevoir)

2. (new resevoir), 3 ml Grow per gallon, 6.5 ml Bloom per gallon

3. 0 ml Grow per gallon, 8 ml Bloom per gallon


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #374853 - 02/27/10 09:08 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

what EC is that at 5.5ml?

Magash uses 5-5.5 mls starting out in Veg. I think 8ml is 2.0EC I know 8grams of Maxi is 2.0 ec so I may be confusing the two.

2.0 EC is fairly moderate in my experience so if that's the case 5.5 is nothing. I'm pretty sure 8mls = 2.0 EC


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    #374871 - 02/27/10 09:29 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I think that sounds about right. He sent me a :pm: and said his newly rooted clones do fine being fed at 1.8 so I think I'm going to step up my food quantities here next week and see if I can really push the growth


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    #374875 - 02/27/10 09:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah man 8mls is fairly mild. Magash goes up to 12 + bloom boosters I think in peak flowering.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: captain.koons]
    #374882 - 02/27/10 09:43 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah man 8mls is fairly mild. Magash goes up to 12 + bloom boosters I think in peak flowering.



Quote:

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Ok, I don't claim to have the best method by any means but I've been getting a shitload of PM's on what my feed program is.

First off I'm not one of those that believes to keep things on the lighter end of things I believe in pushing the limits with the nutrients and giving them all they can handle. Never under a lb per 1000watt light so the way I think on this issue isn't gonna change anytime soon.
I use to do SOG but now it's larger plants cause that is what I'm doing my breeding work on right now and to drop the number of plants to the limit I'm allowed. So I'm trying to come up with the plant that has the Purple Urkle, Grandaddy, Bubba Kush quality but Chronic, Critical Mass yields. (I'll get it you'll see :wink: )

One month of veg starting at 5 to 5.5 mils FNG per gallon of water with a ph of 5.8 for the first two weeks.

Next two weeks of veg 5.5 to 6 mils FNG per gallon of water with ph at 5.8 to 6.2


Now flowering and I do things a little different here.

4 Mils FNG and 4 mils FNB per gallon of water for the first week (but you won't change the res till after week 3 of budding) with a ph of 5.8

Now one week into flowering I add 8 mils Liquid Kool Bloom per gallon of week 1 nutrient solution and run that for another 2 weeks.

Week 4 and 5 of budding are 8 mils FNB, 4 mils Liquid Kool Bloom, 1.25 or 1/4 tsp Dry Kool Bloom per gallon of water ph at 5.8 to 6.2

Week 6 and 7 get 8 mils FNB, 2.5 mils or 1/2 tsp of Dry Kool Bloom. Extend this a week for strains that take 9 weeks to finish.

Week 8 Gets 5 to 10 mils Flora Kleen per gallon of water for the first 3 days of the week. The last 4 days of the week just plain water.

Now when I say I push the limits I mean it. The plants would burn under floro's or dim lights cause they couldn't use the amount of nutrients."

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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Stoneth]
    #374889 - 02/27/10 09:54 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

it appears your vision was more reliable than my memory.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: captain.koons]
    #374910 - 02/27/10 10:21 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

To run at that level you got to have all your shit right, lights, temps, ventilation, etc...


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Stoneth]
    #392605 - 03/30/10 08:07 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Ok...update.

As detailed before, I have a 40 gallon resevoir and starting on week 3 of fruiting I empty said resevoir and put in fresh water and:

140 mL of Flora Nova Grow
280 mL of Flora Nova Bloom

My water is naturally about 230 ppm it appears.  After this first infusion of nutrients I am hanging at about 1600 ppm.  That's not too shabby.

Well, starting week 5 of fruiting I just put in:

400 mL of Flora Nova Bloom

My water is now over 2000 ppm (that's all my meter goes to).  This is obviously bad I assume because of the whole EC/dissolved solids stuff.  So, I am thinking of sucking out some of my resevoir and throwing in fresh water in an attempt to bring my ppm down.  Is this a good idea?  And should I just sparingly add nutes in the future so as to keep stuff at about 1500 ppm always?  Is 1500 ppm good to shoot for?

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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #392771 - 03/30/10 03:09 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Yea lowering the res and adding fresh water should bring down the ppm's.

As to what a good ppm to run is I'm unsure myself.

From all the reading I've done many growers choose to do things different, I have read them using anywhere between 800 to 1800 ppm.

I'm running at 1300 ppm now, and plan on finishing at about 1500 in the final weeks of feed.


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    #392977 - 03/30/10 09:33 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I sucked some water out and threw some new water on.  I got my ppm down to 1650.  Sweet!

Yet one more question.  :rolleyes: 

I just got some Flora-Kleen stuff.  Can I just put that in my resevoir at the beginning of the last week and it will automatically block nutrient absorption which will work for my last week flushing?  If it does that, then this would be much easier than emptying the resevoir and filling it back up with fresh water to do the flushing.


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    #392984 - 03/30/10 09:46 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

no, you'll need to empty the reservoir for florakleen to do anything. It prevents salts from attaching to ion exchange points within the medium (ie, cleans nutrient build up out of the hydroton, coco, whatever). It has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not your plants absorb nutrients


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    #394054 - 04/01/10 07:48 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Mr.Hands, if you`re having problems getting to the rez. for emptying and filling, I would suggest buying a fountain pump ($6 at harbor freight)Hook a hose to the pump drop the pump in the rez. and run the hose out of the top of the rez. when you need to empty; just drop the hose in a 5gal bucket and turn on the pump. Once its empty, just fill it back up through a port hole. You can also run the hose back into the rez. and leave the pump on to circulate the nutes and help oxygenate the water.


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    #394062 - 04/01/10 07:52 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

:facepalm: Why is your screen name Mr. Hands.....:rofl2: I dont think anyone knows who that is.

Kenneth Pinyan (June 22, 1960 - July 2, 2005) was a Boeing engineer residing in Gig Harbor,[1] Washington who engaged in receptive anal sex with full-size stallions at a farm near the city of Enumclaw. He videotaped those sex acts and distributed them informally under the name Mr. Hands.

During a July 2005 sex act, videotaped by a friend, he suffered a perforated colon and later died of his injuries. The story was reported in the The Seattle Times and was one of that paper's most read stories of 2005.[2] It was informally referred to as the "Enumclaw horse sex case".[3]

Pinyan's death prompted the passing of a bill in Washington prohibiting both sex with animals and the videotaping of the same. Under current Washington law, bestiality is now a Class C felony punishable by up to five years in prison.[4]

A documentary of the life and death of Pinyan, and the life led by those who came to the farm near Enumclaw, debuted at the Sundance Film Festival 2007 under the title Zoo. It was one of 16 winners out of 856 candidates for the festival,[5] and played at numerous regional festivals in the United States thereafter.[6] Following Sundance, it was also selected as one of the top five American films to be presented at the prestigious Directors Fortnight sidebar at the 2007 Cannes Film Festival.[7][8]

The media outlets that reported the story withheld Pinyan's name. His name was revealed on national radio by talk show host Tom Leykis in the summer of 2005.

Prosecutors later determined that the horse, an Arabian stallion, had not been injured by being allowed to engage in sex in this manner. The photographer, 54-year old James Michael Tait of Enumclaw,[9] was later charged with trespassing, since this act took place on a third party's property. A third man alleged to have been present was not charged. According to the Medical Examiner's Office, Pinyan "died of acute peritonitis due to perforation of the colon",[10] and the death was ruled accidental.[11]

Other factors surrounding the death were apparently that the deceased, concerned about appearing in a hospital with an unusual internal injury and the effect on his security clearance as an engineer for aerospace company Boeing, had apparently refused his friends' urging to go to the hospital for several hours after being aware he was internally injured, and was dead when he finally reached the ER.[10]

Media reports at the time of the trial suggested that despite seizing and examining carefully a large number of such videos from the property, no evidence of injury to the horses was found, precluding animal cruelty charges, and that the trespass charge against Tait were brought due to lack of grounds for any other matter:


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: SmokerX]
    #394583 - 04/02/10 01:30 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Mr.Hands, if you`re having problems getting to the rez. for emptying and filling, I would suggest buying a fountain pump ($6 at harbor freight)Hook a hose to the pump drop the pump in the rez. and run the hose out of the top of the rez. when you need to empty; just drop the hose in a 5gal bucket and turn on the pump. Once its empty, just fill it back up through a port hole. You can also run the hose back into the rez. and leave the pump on to circulate the nutes and help oxygenate the water.




I have a pump (a badass one at that).  It is still a pain to constantly empty a 40 gallon resevoir and refill it back up when your room in question does not have any running water.  The whole process of emptying and filling takes me well over an hour (because I have to haul shit by hand).


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    #394588 - 04/02/10 01:34 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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:facepalm: Why is your screen name Mr. Hands.....:rofl2: I dont think anyone knows who that is.




:lol:  Yep, that's where I got it from.

Ok...new update:

I now have my ppm down to about 1500.  I'm just wondering if that in the future I should only add nutes when it appears as if they are exhausted so as to avoid too much ppm instead of sticking to my set feeding schedule...?  Also, I've noticed my PH up and PH down have incredibly high ppms.  They took my ppm up substantially when I just put a little in.  I need to be careful with that shit.

So, I need to watch ppm and PH.  Is there anything else I need to watch?  I never read a book or anything and am going blind into all of this.


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    #394591 - 04/02/10 01:36 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Can u run a hose ?  U can buy a fitting at local hard ware store that allows u to hook a garden hose up to you sink faucet.  So then u can run the hose from the sink to the rez.


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    #394592 - 04/02/10 01:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Can u run a hose ?  U can buy a fitting at local hard ware store that allows u to hook a garden hose up to you sink faucet.  So then u can run the hose from the sink to the rez.




Not possible.  My room has no running water and is not near a sink.  I would literally need a hose that was over 50 feet long, to find a way to snake it up the wall, and then to run between several floors constantly monitoring everything.


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    #394594 - 04/02/10 01:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

As an aside, is there a system that would function better than my 40 gallon ebb and flow tables?  They are really ending up to be a pain in the ass.  If I could have a much smaller resevoir and have that run all of my plants it would be incredible.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #394605 - 04/02/10 02:03 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

what's wrong with 50 foot of hose ? :grin:  That is the way I use to do it.

Anyways.  I plan on making a ebb+flow with a 2x2 table and a 3x3 table.  I plan on using 20 gallon rez.  So I mean you could downsize your rez but u would just have to make sure to check the water levels.

Can u remove your rez from under the table ?  I plan on building it so that the table sits about 8 inches above the rez so I can reach in there and take the rez out and dump it down the sink or tub when the time comes for water change.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Damion5050]
    #394711 - 04/02/10 06:14 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Can u remove your rez from under the table ?  I plan on building it so that the table sits about 8 inches above the rez so I can reach in there and take the rez out and dump it down the sink or tub when the time comes for water change.




I do not have enough room to have the resevoir off to the side.  Also, when completely filled with water my resevoir is easily over 300 pounds.  You can't pick it up.


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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Mr. Hands]
    #394717 - 04/02/10 06:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Well what I meant was to build like a stand or something to raise your table straight up over your rez so that they are technically stacked but are not touching.  Kinda like below.  300 lbs. aint alot lol.



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Re: What am I doing wrong here? [Re: Damion5050]
    #394850 - 04/02/10 10:00 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I would still have to pump the water out into something.  Right now I pump it into large gas cans.  I do two at a time that hold 5 gallons a piece.  So, it takes four trips to empty and four more trips to fill it back up.  It takes easily over an hour and it is a pain; hence why I don't want to do it every week like everybody suggests.


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