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Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot
    #226561 - 05/15/09 06:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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    Question: why are we giving our nine-year-old a marijuana cookie?

    Answer: because he can't figure out how to use a bong. My son J has autism. He’s also had two serious surgeries for a spinal cord tumor and has an inflammatory bowel condition, all of which may be causing him pain, if he could tell us. He can say words, but many of them—"duck in the water, duck in the water"—don't convey what he means. For a time, anti-inflammatory medication seemed to control his pain. But in the last year, it stopped working. He began to bite and to smack the glasses off my face. If you were in that much pain, you’d probably want to hit someone, too.

    J's school called my husband and me in for a meeting about J's tantrums, which were affecting his ability to learn. The teachers were wearing tae kwon do arm pads to protect themselves against his biting. Their solution was to hand us a list of child psychiatrists. Since autistic children like J can’t exactly do talk therapy, this meant sedating, antipsychotic drugs like Risperdal—Thorazine for kids.

    Last year, Risperdal was prescribed for more than 389,000 children—240,000 of them under the age of 12—for bipolar disorder, ADHD, autism, and other disorders. Yet the drug has never been tested for long-term safety in children and carries a severe warning of side effects. From 2000 to 2004, 45 pediatric deaths were attributed to Risperdal and five other popular drugs also classified as “atypical antipsychotics,” according to a review of FDA data by USA Today. When I canvassed parents of autistic children who take Risperdal, I didn't hear a single story of an improvement that seemed worth the risks. A 2002 study specifically looking at the use of Risperdal for autism, in the New England Journal of Medicine, showed moderate improvements in “autistic irritation”—but if you read more closely, the study followed only 49 children over eight weeks, which, researchers admitted, “limits inferences about adverse effects.”

    We met with J's doctor, who’d read the studies and agreed: No Risperdal or its kin.

    The school called us in again. What were we going to do, they asked. As a sometimes health writer and blogger, I was intrigued when a homeopath suggested medical marijuana. Cannabis has long-documented effects as an analgesic and an anxiety modulator. Best of all, it is safe. The homeopath referred me to a publication by the Autism Research Institute describing cases of reduced aggression, with no permanent side effects. Rats given 40 times the psychoactive level merely fall sleep. Dr. Lester Grinspoon, an emeritus professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has been researching cannabis for 40 years, says he has yet to encounter a case of marijuana causing a death, even from lung cancer.

    A prescription drug called Marinol, which contains a synthetic cannabinoid, seemed mainstream enough to bring up with J’s doctor. I cannot say that with a few little pills, everything turned around. But after about a week of playing around with the dosage, J began garnering a few glowing school reports: “J was a pleasure have in speech class,” instead of “J had 300 aggressions today.”

    But J tends to build tolerance to synthetics, and in a few months, we could see the aggressive behavior coming back. One night, I went to the meeting of a medical marijuana patient advocacy group on the campus of the college where I teach. The patients told me that Marinol couldn’t compare to marijuana, the plant, which has at least 60 cannabinoids to Marinol’s one.

    Rhode Island, where we live, is one of 13 states where the use of medical marijuana is legal. But I was resistant. My late father was an anesthesiologist, and compared with the precise drugs he worked with, I know he would think marijuana to be ridiculously imprecise and unscientific. I looked at my son’s tie-dye socks (his avowed favorite). At his school, I was already the weirdo mom who packed lunches with organic kale and kimchi and wouldn't let him eat any “fun” foods with artificial dyes. Now, I’d be the mom who shunned the standard operating procedure and gave her kid pot instead.

    But then I thought back to when J was 18 months old. We were vacationing on the Cape, and, while he just had the slightest hitch in his gait, I was sure there was something wrong. His pediatrician laughed. I called back repeatedly until a different doctor agreed to see us. J was taken into emergency surgery, to remove a tumor that was on the verge of inflicting irreparable damage. Sometimes, you just have to go with your gut.

    And yet, I still hesitated. The Marinol had been disorienting enough—no protocol to follow, just trying varying numbers of pills and hoping for the best. Now we were dealing with an illegal drug, one for which few evidence-based scientific studies existed precisely because it is an illegal drug. But when I sent J's doctor the physician’s form that is mandatory for medical marijuana licensing, it came back signed. We underwent a background check with the Rhode Island Bureau of Criminal Identification, and J became the state’s youngest licensee.

    Having a license, however, is different from having access to marijuana. While California has a network of “compassion centers,” basically pharmacy-like storefronts that provide quality product from registered growers, Rhode Island's Republican governor has consistently vetoed that idea, in spite of the local stories of frail patients being mugged in downtown Providence as they go in search of pot. We weren’t about to purchase street marijuana, which could be contaminated with other drugs, so we looked into growing the pot ourselves. But by law, medical marijuana must be grown indoors, and it requires a separate room with a complex system of hydroponics, fans, and precise lighting schedules. (This made me wonder how much THC was actually in the spindly plants the high school goofballs I knew grew in their closets).

    The coordinator of our patient group introduced us to a licensed grower. A recent horticulture school graduate, he'd figured out how to cultivate marijuana using a custom organic soil mix. His e-mail signature even quoted Rudolph Steiner. The grower arrived at our house with a knapsack containing jars of herbs. We opened the jars to sniff the different strains of “bud”—Blueberry, which did smell fleetingly of wild blueberries, and Sour Diesel, which had a rich, winey scent. The grower also had cured some leaves for tea, and he brought a glycerine tincture, a marijuana distillate in olive oil (yes, organic), cookies (ditto), and a strange machine that looked, fittingly, like a lava lamp. Basically an almost-bong, this vaporizer heated the cannabis without producing carcinogenic smoke.

    For most adults, the vaporizer is the delivery method of choice, as it allows the patient to feel the effects immediately and adjust the dose precisely. J gamely put his mouth on the valve and let us squeeze a little smoke into him. It shot right back out his nose. He looked like Puff the Magic Dragon.

    The grower left us with a month’s worth of marijuana tea, glycerine, and olive oil—and a cookie recipe. No buds. We paid $80. (Granted, we haven’t checked up on how much a nickel bag costs these days.)

    We made the cookies with the marijuana olive oil, starting J off with half a small cookie, eaten after dinner. J normally goes to bed around 7:30 p.m.; by 6:30 he declared he was tired and conked out. We checked on him hourly. As we anxiously peeked in, half-expecting some red-eyed ogre from Reefer Madness to come leaping out at us, we saw instead that he was sleeping peacefully. Usually, his sleep is shallow and restless. J also woke up happy.

    But in a few days, J decided he didn't like the cookie anymore and smashed it with his fist. We brewed him the tea, which smelled funky and grassy. He slurped it down, but without much effect. Many of the psychoactive compounds in marijuana are fat soluble, so I added a dropperful of the oil that we used in the cookies. That made him sleepy-looking but still aggressive. It became clear that when J ingested pot orally, it took two hours to see the results, and by then there wasn't much we could do to dial the dose up or down. The grower visited us again to give J another try at the bong, with little success.

    But it was also possible that J needed a little time to get off the Marinol. After two weeks, we noticed a slight but consistent lessening of aggression. And he wasn't nervously chewing holes in his shirts.

    We are now a month or so into this, and it’s still too early to know if we can find a dose and mode of delivery that gives us consistent results. Even if J could learn to use the vaporizer, it costs $600, and would leave the house reeking of pot. And we don't want to get too dependent, because of the inherent limitations. Though we’d love to calm J with pot so that he can visit his grandmother in Minnesota, bringing a controlled substance on the plane isn't the best idea.

    But since we started him on his "special tea," J’s little face, which is sometimes a mask of pain, has softened. He smiles more. For the last year, his individual education plan at his special-needs school was full of blanks, recording “no progress” because he spent his whole day an irritated, frustrated mess. Now, April’s report shows real progress, including “two community outings with the absence of aggressions.”

    The big test, so far, has been a visit from Grandma. The last time she came, over Christmas, J hit her during a tantrum. This time, we gave him his tea, mixing it with goji berries to mask any odor, although it occurs to me that my mother, a Korean immigrant, probably doesn’t even know what pot smells like (and it actually smells a lot like ssuk, a Korean medicinal herb). She remarked that J seems calmer. As we were preparing for a trip to the park, J disappeared, and we wondered if he was going to throw one of his tantrums. Instead, he returned with Grandma’s shoes, laying them in front of her, even carefully adjusting them so that they were parallel and easy to step into. He looked into her face, and smiled.

    When I think of the embarrassment I may feel if my colleagues see this article, or teachers or parents at J’s school, or his less open-minded doctors, I pause. Although I occasionally smoked pot as a teenager (believe me, in northern Minnesota, there was not much else to do), now that I'm a law-abiding adult, all the scary anti-drug messages are flashing in my brain. But when I researched cannabis the way I did conventional drugs, it seemed clear to me that marijuana at the very least wouldn’t harm J, and might help. It's strange, I've come to think, that the virtues of such a useful and harmless botanical have been so clouded by stigma. Even the limited studies that have been done suggest marijuana's potential as an adjunctive therapy for cancer. Marijuana, you need some rebranding. Maybe a cool new name.

    Meanwhile, in treating J with pot, we are following the law—and the Hippocratic oath: primum, non nocere. First, do no harm. The drugs that our insurance would pay for—and that the people around us would support without question—pose real risks to children. For now, we’re sticking with the weed.




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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: Yrat]
    #226567 - 05/15/09 08:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good article! :laugh:

I have 2 nephews who are Autistic, one is really hyper and yells at you a lot(not in a mean way)and the other is really quiet and turns everything you own upside down(I had to yell at him once because he was trying to turn my TV upside down).


LoL at $80 for the Nickel though :tongue:


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: AlmostDead]
    #226613 - 05/15/09 11:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

good article......its way better than puttin the kid on ritalin or some shit like that.....


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #237065 - 06/06/09 10:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i really liked this article. we need to get people to read stuff like this and to just open their mind and see from a different perspective that society has drilled into their mind: that marijuana is bad. im sorry for those who dont understand the truth..


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: AlmostDead]
    #240535 - 06/17/09 11:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Good article! :laugh:

I have 2 nephews who are Autistic, one is really hyper and yells at you a lot(not in a mean way)and the other is really quiet and turns everything you own upside down(I had to yell at him once because he was trying to turn my TV upside down).


LoL at $80 for the Nickel though :tongue:




I think you misread.


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: captain.koons]
    #240536 - 06/17/09 11:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Question: why are we giving our nine-year-old a marijuana cookie?




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Answer: because he can't figure out how to use a bong.





:rofl:


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“You see this glass bong?” asks Achaan Chaa, the Thai meditation master. “For me this glass is already broken. I enjoy it; I smoke out of it. It holds my water admirably, sometimes even reflecting the sun in beautiful patterns. If I should tap it, it has a lovely ring to it. But when I put this glass bong on the shelf and the wind knocks it over or my elbow brushes it off the table and it falls to the ground and shatters, I say, ‘Of course.’ When I understand that the glass is already broken, every moment with it is precious.”[/quote]


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #240537 - 06/18/09 12:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: Good Article. I'm glad marijuana is finally coming into the light. :rainbowcloud:


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“You see this glass bong?” asks Achaan Chaa, the Thai meditation master. “For me this glass is already broken. I enjoy it; I smoke out of it. It holds my water admirably, sometimes even reflecting the sun in beautiful patterns. If I should tap it, it has a lovely ring to it. But when I put this glass bong on the shelf and the wind knocks it over or my elbow brushes it off the table and it falls to the ground and shatters, I say, ‘Of course.’ When I understand that the glass is already broken, every moment with it is precious.”[/quote]


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: Yrat]
    #263408 - 08/11/09 06:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'll give that wall of text a good solid read when I'm free for almost a second :lol:


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: Fazed]
    #263936 - 08/12/09 06:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

terrific article :awesome:


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #265406 - 08/14/09 09:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

that's intense


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: Noviseer]
    #267874 - 08/20/09 01:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wow that was an awesome article. Im going to have to pass this on to my aunt who has an autistic child. Maybe it will help her as well.


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    #267901 - 08/20/09 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

weed cookies never fail.

cannabis always wins.


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    #267903 - 08/20/09 02:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome.. Awesome to the max. :congrats:


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    #268390 - 08/21/09 02:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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cannabis always wins.




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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #269028 - 08/22/09 02:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That was a great article.  I work for an insurance company and deal with people who are injured every day.  The doctors standard practice for a fucking sprained ankle is hydrocodone, vicodin, and other narcotics.  They aren't in that much fucking pain.  Anyway, I also get to read people's drug test results.  A week ago a guy had cannabis in his system (and oddly enough, none of the opiates he was prescribed).  He had a pretty serious back condition too.  I called him and asked him if this had helped him and he gave me the same old story he would have given the cops.  I told him it was confidential and I didn't think his employer had the right to that information but he still denied it.


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #272734 - 08/30/09 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

kudos great read reefer madness was a horrible movie and i think it gave every one these cave men ideas about a very unique and helpful plant im so glad to hear it helped your child if only the government would wake up maybe more people could be helped


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    #280152 - 09/14/09 03:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There was actually this huge study of marijuana and the developing brain.

Over and over it was shown that most of the time if an adolescent under the age of 15 was exposed to marijuana they're brain didn't develop normally.

Over 15 didn't show any negative effects.

I think the study was briefly looked at in this years BBC documentary Evil weed.

Very good documentary showing tons of pro and cons of marijuana.

[EDIT] I believe that weed could be used in certain situation with children under 15 only if they have a degenerative disease where they won't live long. Then it could help making the rest of they're life better.

But in situations of ADHD and autism I would strongly be against it. It should only be used medicinally with adults.


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: DoPeYsMuRf]
    #280262 - 09/14/09 08:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't heard of that documentary.  I will have to watch it.  Do you have a source for that study?  I wouldn't mind reading that (and finding out who funded it).


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    #280274 - 09/14/09 08:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dr. Cathy Fernandes from the Institute of Psychiatry was the one who conducted the tests. My school subscribes to all kinds of peer reviewed journals so I'm not sure if you will be able to find it for free.
I haven't searched google or anything so maybe you can find it if you are lucky.


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Re: Why I Give My 9-year-old Pot [Re: DoPeYsMuRf]
    #280284 - 09/14/09 09:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting.  This must be a recent study.  She doesn't have it listed in her publications, but she does mention working on it.  Sounds like an interesting background she has. 


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My question is this, How can you really recognize the development of a personality disorder like schizophrenia in a mouse?  These studies should be done with monkeys.  If i find the text of the study online I'll post it here since it's right on topic.  Thanks for bringing this up Dopey!

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I presume the subject is a mouse (or other small rodent) because of the content of Dr. Fernandes' website and her background working with mice as test subjects.

http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/staff/profile/?go=10093


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