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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Dephect] * 1
    #511895 - 01/08/11 03:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

dosnt seem like the best reason to keep it illegal :confused:


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Shaggy420]
    #511961 - 01/08/11 04:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

The mob didn't want alcohol prohibition to end either.


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #511978 - 01/08/11 05:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Well if it's legal you could just grow it yourself without a problem...




You could also do that with Tobacco and cigarettes. I know some people who have, but how many people who smoke cigarettes grow their own tobacco? For that matter you could also brew your own beer(5gal batches) for as little as a $150 start up price, which is much cheaper then a garden set up. But how many homebrewers are there out there as apposed to people who just buy beer at the liquor store.

Think of the conditions people live in, not everyone has a green thumb, it would be easy for the government to take over the market more so in Cali. Its the government..

I know I would grow my own, but I am maybe 1 out of 10 people I know that smokes and knows any decent amount of info about growing.  Probably only 3 people I know personally who have done successful grows and I live in a medical state.


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TrippyStoner420 said:
dosnt seem like the best reason to keep it illegal :confused:




Think about all the mom and pop growers that would be put out of business. Remember if its legal for recreational use that gives the government every right to produce it and put local indoor growers out of business. Those mom and pop owners are like the mob with prohibition (not in a sense of criminal activity and not for profiting) but some of these growers make their living on growing, and a big Wal Mart like factory producing herb for the government to do god knows what to it will put them out of business when it moves in.

I honestly don't know what I would want to vote for on that ballot. I am split. Part of me wants it to be legal and the fight to be over but at the same time that puts it in the hands of a whole different menace, and that is the government.


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Dephect] * 2
    #512007 - 01/08/11 07:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

There will be NO bill passed
regarding the legalization of marijuana
that dis-allows big business to get in on the action.

That is a FACT that you will NEVER avoid.

If the mom and pop growers are giving a quality product
at a decent price, then they won't go out of business

look at all of the micro breweries that are making a profit

same situation with weed

If weed is to ever become legal then big business will be in the game too

:sorry:


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: niteowl]
    #512031 - 01/08/11 08:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

:congrats:


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Shaggy420] * 1
    #512176 - 01/09/11 04:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I don't understand why the average stoner/grower doesn't understand this very simple fact.


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: niteowl] * 2
    #512532 - 01/10/11 11:56 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

They done be smokin' too much! :flowstone::spliff:


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: niteowl]
    #513077 - 01/11/11 08:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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niteowl said:
There will be NO bill passed
regarding the legalization of marijuana
that dis-allows big business to get in on the action.

That is a FACT that you will NEVER avoid.

If the mom and pop growers are giving a quality product
at a decent price, then they won't go out of business

look at all of the micro breweries that are making a profit

same situation with weed

If weed is to ever become legal then big business will be in the game too

:sorry:




I know. I know. That was the whole point of me saying that big business will take over.

How much microbrew is produced out there compared to commercial brews. It will be the same with weed. But ah, the wonderful government/big business taxes everything and can CONTROL everything. Microbreweries are LIMITED in production per year. Growers would probably be limited too leaning the profits towards the government. I don't know about you but I go through a eighth a lot faster then a six pack.

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I don't understand why the average stoner/grower doesn't understand this very simple fact.




They DO realize that. Its the REASON it didn't pass at 46%. There were tons of growers and stoners that voted NO. The average stoner would be smoking marijuana produced by the government and the grower would either be put out of business or would have to grow for a big commercial gig at the price of what? Minimum wage? Plus benefits? Who knows.


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: Dephect]
    #513161 - 01/12/11 02:51 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

So your solution is to keep weed illegal....what a moron :facepalm:


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Re: California [CA] Proposition 19 - Tax & Regulate Marijuana [Re: niteowl]
    #513169 - 01/12/11 03:22 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

It wasn't my solution. I don't live in Cali. I have a medical card in the state of Colorado (which I voted yes on), why the fuck would I care, its legal state wide for me and it would be the same in Cali. State wide, meaning federal will still fuck you in the ass if you get caught by a federal agent. Peoples perception of legal and illegal is bound by two dimensions and is usually clouded. Just because you can have it state wide does not mean the DEA will not come knock your fucking door down and arrest you and take all your equipment and never get it back(its happened here!). Your state will also not likely protect you, and even if you do get off hands free good luck getting your grow equipment back. I am just stating the reason why it didn't pass. Id much rather have it legal but even then we know it still wouldn't be the way we think it should be. Ya dig?

Not really my bit anymore. I don't want to sit and argue :shrug: I would have voted null for the very reason of it splitting my conscious in two. I want legality but I want it to be complete and not left with vague areas.

Oh and those people who did vote to keep it at a medical level statewide are growers who make livings off of their crops. Call them the morons :shrug: Seems like a pretty okay lifestyle to me.


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