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Re: Indica seeds [Re: JRM]
    #847687 - 03/24/21 02:34 AM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Auto seeds are more expensive than photos generally because they are harder to make.  You can't set the schedule like you can with photoperiods, you can't keep clones of keeper parents to ensure consistent progeny, you have to continuously grow and select different plants to use for breeding.  Also because the demand for seeds is high right now.


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Re: Indica seeds [Re: yoosername]
    #847689 - 03/24/21 12:12 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

I’m not trying to clone. What is a photoperiod? What happened to the Sunlight? I’m not growing indoors.


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Re: Indica seeds [Re: JRM]
    #847690 - 03/24/21 01:37 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Photoperiod plants are normal, non autoflowering plants.  A dark period of around 12 hours allows certain hormones to build up, triggering flowering, hence the need for a light cycle timer or proper timing for an outdoor season.

So if I am understanding you correctly, your plan is to grow several autoflowering cannabonsai plants for seed production outdoors?


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Re: Indica seeds [Re: yoosername]
    #847691 - 03/24/21 03:01 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

Idk anything about “ auto flower” and I am just now learning about FemBud. The natural light is 12/12 outdoors, but I’m trying to tense and twin the plant to contort it as it matures in due season, as the Cannabonsai guide-guides. Yes for seeds due pollination between a male and female plant(s)???


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Re: Indica seeds [Re: JRM] * 1
    #847692 - 03/24/21 05:33 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

The natural light varies during the growing season, which is what the photo period varieties use to gauge the timing of flowering and seed production. If you live in the US (say new England or the midwest), the photo period can be 16+ hrs from sunrise to sunset (and longer until true darkness), and <11 hours towards mid-october.

Auto-flowering varieties do not flower based on photoperiod. They grow in a vegetative state for 3 weeks or so, then automatically switch into flowering, regardless of the length of the day. This limit of time in the vegetative state will ultimately limit the size of the plant, which is typically why these are go-to strains for growers who have limited space and want to keep their plants small.

You're comments about what you want to do are confusing, which probably explains why our answers are confusing you further. Growing cannabis can be very simple, but most people on this forum at least dabble in some of the more basic complexities of growing for personal-use, high quality Marijuana products. You need to describe what it is you wish to accomplish from this effort.

-Are you growing for personal use, for seed, for bulk production, or just to play around and learn about the cannabonsai technique?

-if you are planning to smoke/vape/eat what you grow, how often do you want to have a grow going, and how much do you smoke? This will determine a minimum target yield that you want to shoot for.

- Do you want to be able to keep/maintain your cannabonsai plants for more than a few months? This will help determine what types of strains you can use for this technique.

- if you want to make seed, do you care about preserving the strain-specific genetics or physical characteristics of the original plants? This will determine the methods by which you produce seeds, and will help point you to the right strain and advice.

-Since you are growing outdoors, what is the general location (country if outside of US, state if inside the US) where you'll be growing? Knowing the climate and length of growing season will also factor into a good suggestion for a strain and growing technique.

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Re: Indica seeds [Re: Data]
    #847694 - 03/24/21 08:36 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

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The natural light varies during the growing season, which is what the photo period varieties use to gauge the timing of flowering and seed production. If you live in the US (say new England or the midwest), the photo period can be 16+ hrs from sunrise to sunset (and longer until true darkness), and <11 hours towards mid-october.



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Auto-flowering varieties do not flower based on photoperiod. They grow in a vegetative state for 3 weeks or so, then automatically switch into flowering, regardless of the length of the day. This limit of time in the vegetative state will ultimately limit the size of the plant, which is typically why these are go-to strains for growers who have limited space and want to keep their plants small.



what causes the flowering? I don’t care about the size of the bland because I intend on bending, twining, to tether the plant as taught in ‘Cannabonsai’


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You're comments about what you want to do are confusing, which probably explains why our answers are confusing you further. Growing cannabis can be very simple, but most people on this forum at least dabble in some of the more basic complexities of growing for personal-use, high quality Marijuana products. You need to describe what it is you wish to accomplish from this effort.




I bought a book called Cannabonsai and wish to fulfill it.

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-Are you growing for personal use, for seed, for bulk production, or just to play around and learn about the cannabonsai technique?



Scientific insight. Seed. Cannabonsai

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-if you are planning to smoke/vape/eat what you grow, how often do you want to have a grow going, and how much do you smoke? This will determine a minimum target yield that you want to shoot for.

- Do you want to be able to keep/maintain your cannabonsai plants for more than a few months? This will help determine what types of strains you can use for this technique.




I’d keep it alive for a second season like a seasoned tree. I saw some pictures of Cannabonsai trunks which were ancient.

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- if you want to make seed, do you care about preserving the strain-specific genetics or physical characteristics of the original plants? This will determine the methods by which you produce seeds, and will help point you to the right strain and advice.




No, I’m not on that level yet

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-Since you are growing outdoors, what is the general location (country if outside of US, state if inside the US) where you'll be growing? Knowing the climate and length of growing season will also factor into a good suggestion for a strain and growing technique.




I don’t know enough about that to know. When I first researched in high school it was to grow a stealth grow where my parents couldn’t find it so I thought of a dwarf plant but I just sprouted some seeds but i didn’t get any seed barring bud.

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No, thank you!


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Re: Indica seeds [Re: JRM]
    #847695 - 03/24/21 08:38 PM (1 month, 16 days ago)

I found a bank which offers... Indica hybridized dominant seeds but I think that means they are hermaphroditic.


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Re: Indica seeds [Re: JRM]
    #847701 - 03/25/21 08:30 AM (1 month, 15 days ago)

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I found a bank which offers... Indica hybridized dominant seeds but I think that means they are hermaphroditic.




I think you're referring to indica-dominant hybrids. That just means it's a strain with genetics from both indica and saliva strains, but more of the genetic makeup comes from indica strains.

I don't know the actual biological mechanism behind autoflowering, but I know it is time based rather than photoperiod. If you want to keep your plants for multiple seasons, then you don't want autoflower.

So you are trying to grow outdoors, in NE US, using a growing technique that includes low stress and high stress techniques, and will probably involve a decent amount of wire/twine/ribbon wrappings in order to accomplish, in an area that can get quite humid during the grow season.

I would recommend Northern Lights or Early Girl. These are older strains, but they are both known for their forgiving growth and resistance to pests and molds. They also have a short flowering period, which will be a good match to your short growing season (you don't want immature bud/seeds freezing before you can harvest).

And I know for a fact you can easily find non-feminized Northern Lights seeds.

If you're planning on keeping the plants for multiple seasons, keep in mind that cannabis does not drop leaves and go dormant like deciduous trees. In your area, you'll need to bring them indoors and grow them inside over the winter to keep them alive.


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