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Clones issue plz help!?
    #828902 - 10/09/17 12:43 AM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

Just transplanted this clone aprox 5 days ago, shes kind of the runt in the pack, im not sure what deficiency/issue this is?
Lights are at 25 inches away from tops, 600 mh ran at 50%, humidity 40-60 rh, temp 70-80 f, i fed with a ppm of 435 and i tested her runoff and it was at 190 ppm, so if shes so hungry why is she the runt in the pack?
All my other girls runnof was at 360 ppm or so with a original ppm of 435 going in.


I forgot to mention i saw some mite eggs under some leaves, i sprayed with avid last night. Perhaps this is just damige from mites, i plan to spray azamax in 3 days, just area sprayed with go gnats!


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828903 - 10/09/17 12:46 AM (12 days, 18 hours ago)



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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828904 - 10/09/17 12:50 AM (12 days, 18 hours ago)

Leave it alone and see what happens. Did it have roots when you transplanted it?


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828905 - 10/09/17 12:58 AM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

Hello,
Yes it had a nice set of roots before transplant
Medium- coxo brick 5kg
Pre rinsed until runoff was 50 ppm,then charged with light dose of nutes n cal mag
Ph is spot on on runoff


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828907 - 10/09/17 01:14 AM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

Will do thank you!


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828908 - 10/09/17 01:16 AM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

Where did the clones come from? Could have come from a not so happy mom and just be riding it out. Usually the narrow light yellow sites are indicative of an iron deficiency, but if the clones came from anywhere commercial, it could be light broad mite damage. Avid will definitely knock shit out but be careful for creating a resistant bug. Neem and an aspirin per gallon goes very far in a good ipm.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Ganjaganj]
    #828909 - 10/09/17 01:34 AM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

They came from a comercial grower on cl, i orderd 6 xxx og and 6 superman og 8-10 inch premium clones, he stated he had 6 thousand clones, he offerd a gurantee from pest and mold, i highly doubt he wouldent have at least some pest issues...
I can say thes clones are decent looking, and they started to reek yesterday so i added a carbon filter to my veg rm.
Ive heard of that method, and will deff look into that, thanks so much brotha!
Do you use as a foliar spray? Or a soil drench?


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828910 - 10/09/17 01:37 AM (12 days, 17 hours ago)



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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828911 - 10/09/17 01:42 AM (12 days, 17 hours ago)

Any thoughts on why the edges of leafes are curled up a bit?
I think thats mite damage from what i see on the internet...
For iron could i just bump up my base nutes?
Im running hng full line up,
Im not sure what macronute hng offers, is there a iron additive that anyone knows thats in the hng line up?
Im ganna look of the ratios on my bottles and check it out!


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828914 - 10/09/17 02:53 AM (12 days, 15 hours ago)

They look normal. Don't keep feeding them all the time. Let them use about 50% of the available moisture in the pots before feeding them again.

No iron deficiency at all. Some discoloration is normal as the clones use some of the nutrients stored inside the leaves to produce roots.

Give them time to adjust to their new home and feed regiment. It takes a few days of rooting before they start to grow again.

Which leaf curling are you talking about?


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828917 - 10/09/17 04:21 AM (12 days, 14 hours ago)

Give them some more time. Seems within the realm of normal some of mine get like that rite before they take off.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: funky]
    #828922 - 10/09/17 09:28 AM (12 days, 9 hours ago)

Looks like those clones are gearing up. It is normal for clones to pale as is new leaves to appear lighter in color then older ones.

My advise is to smoke a joint and relax, BTW safer insecticidal soap will get rid of those bugs without leaving any toxins.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828926 - 10/09/17 12:09 PM (12 days, 6 hours ago)

This is a pic of her today,

This was yesterday



This is a pic of a strong one yesterday


This is of the same strong one today


It has noticibly new growth at the tops, but the runt of the pack hasent really had much growth since i transplanted her,
I think im keeping coir to wet, i will let it dry up before feedings, also should i feed at regular strength continually once they get going or should i mix at full strength then 50-60% strength then full strenth then 50-60% strenth, etc..?
I plan to do a flush before i flip, and again around harvest with 3x the amount of water per gall size at low nute strength.

I saw light curling around some plants, that i suspected was lite mite damage but not too noticiblly appearently


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828927 - 10/09/17 12:14 PM (12 days, 6 hours ago)

Which leaf curling are you talking about?






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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Rider420]
    #828928 - 10/09/17 12:22 PM (12 days, 6 hours ago)

I ran into a mite last run in flower,and pretty much ruined my crop, so i decided with some nuke options for pesticides, i figure ill use in early veg-mid veg and. Hopefully its out of my plants by harvest..


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828930 - 10/09/17 12:50 PM (12 days, 6 hours ago)

They grow slow at first. One will always be a little smaller or slower--depends on how uniform they are when you take them, what part of the plant, etc.. It looks like that one was obviously smaller to begin with.

Canna recommends feeding coco to the point of 10-25% runoff when the pots are ~50% dry. They say you won't need a flush when you feed with proper runoff and nutrients.

Once they start to grow you'll notice they're a bit lighter and look like they need more nutrients. Thats when you switch to full strength nutrients. Next time you can do it a little bit earlier to avoid any discoloration. Basically once you start with full strength and proper watering you wont need to adjust the feed at all. Canna recommends never feeding plain water to flush if you do, always have at least a little bit of nutrients to keep the coco properly charged.

leaf curl can be from heat/humidity.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828931 - 10/09/17 01:05 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

Ok awesome, thank you for your feedback!i really do appreciate your guys input!


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828932 - 10/09/17 01:07 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

Would you say 1 week after transplant in a 1 gal, would be appropriate to run full strength nute?

Also, ive read everywhere with no luck, how soon after transplant do you guys train your girls, im itching to pinch some stems, top, and lst these girls,
I think toping is doable after the third 4rh node apears?
If i top a 8-10 in clone thats just been transplanted im assuming letting it get a good root mass would be best rather than stress it while rooting, idk really


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828934 - 10/09/17 05:35 PM (12 days, 1 hour ago)

I top my clones when I transplant. I top so I end up with 4 main branches, I don't grow trees so depends on how big you want them to be. If you have the room and the time to veg you can not top it at all. You can tie the plant so it points to the side of the pot and as it grows you can bend, an tie it in a circle around the pot and let all the side branches grow up towards the light giving you lots of tops. Lots of way to skin that cat.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: funky]
    #828935 - 10/09/17 06:13 PM (12 days, 39 minutes ago)

Ok right on!
So you train your girls young even during transplant?
I will go ahead and start my traing with them if so!
Ill prob top when 5th 6th node grows in


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828936 - 10/09/17 06:35 PM (12 days, 17 minutes ago)

I don't train them just top them and let them do there thing. I usually just support the branches that need it before harvest. I don't have the vertical space to grow plants over about 3.5 feet tall so I just pack them in . They hold each other up lol.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: funky]
    #828942 - 10/09/17 10:27 PM (11 days, 20 hours ago)

Me too, my max height is 3.5 ft as well, how long do you veg. Till length wise? I was thinking at 18-22 inches before flip would be ok for indica dominant strains.
To get around 3.5 at harvezt


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    #828947 - 10/10/17 02:38 AM (11 days, 16 hours ago)

I veg till about 1 foot tall they finish under 4 feet. I don't keep track of dates I let my eye tell me when they are ready.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Ganjaganj]
    #828953 - 10/10/17 09:26 PM (10 days, 21 hours ago)

Could i use ibrofen? Istead of asprin


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828954 - 10/11/17 12:45 AM (10 days, 18 hours ago)

Who said anything about asprin?  If u are talking about benefits of SAR reaction from Asprin no ibebrofan is for human consumption. Asprin being different chemical then ibprofen can be used for its PGR (plant growth regulating)properties.

Think salix the latin genius name of willow tree which is where acetyl"salic"ylic (asprin) name comes from.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828955 - 10/11/17 01:00 AM (10 days, 17 hours ago)

So i decided to repot this clone,it hasent grown at all since day 1, i unpotted it, no roots! At all, i pulled at base of clone barley, and it almost popped the rockwool, i guess i assumed each clone was rooted as i saw roots on the others.
I plan to cut clone stem at a slant, with sterile razor, dip cutting in ph water around 6, dip clone in clonex, sprinkle great white shark, put in rockwool 1.5 cube [thats been ph ad 4.5 for 12 hrs with very very mild base nutes n cal mag, them ph water it was sitting in at 6, get a syringe and squirt Water at 6 ph in cube]
Let air prune untill ready to transplant.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828960 - 10/11/17 07:51 AM (10 days, 11 hours ago)

U could jist leave it ots likely it looked bulbous where was in rockwool and likely close to rooting. And u dont need all thatgreatwhite shark only growa on roots amd adding somethibg organic likely will just cause rot. All u need is root gel no nutes just adding potential problems like algae growth burn the clone  etc. Also rooting gel has ant microbial ie antifungal anti bac so will kill all ur myco from gws anyway again leaving organics to rot. Kseep it just moist not sopping wet is a big key. If feel need to add stuff add couple capfules of peroxide to ur water adds o2 and keeps things clean.


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    #828968 - 10/11/17 04:06 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

Clone came off with no roots, it started to get root rot, i cut at angle, put clonex on it, no white shark, and put in rockwool, will air prune and transplant, if it roots.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: Myceliumslut]
    #828975 - 10/12/17 08:46 AM (9 days, 10 hours ago)

Your gonna kill your plants from over tending them. Smoke some more weed about it and watch them develop.

Dude sold you an unrooted clone and your messing with it isn't going to help it root. If its rotted its probably a lost cause. Stop watering them all the time. Small plants don't use that much. Plants without roots don't use any. You'll have more water evaporate from the soil than go through the plants at this point.


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Re: Clones issue plz help!? [Re: phychotron]
    #828987 - 10/12/17 09:30 PM (8 days, 21 hours ago)

Your right!
Im debating starting with new clones and chilling the fuck out....
I deff over anyalizing things, i never used a tds meter in my previous grows, and did suprizingly finee, i deff have fucked thing up and are off to a rocky start. Ill start from seed next time. I actually got 2 hellfire og and 2 gorilla goo seeds going if all else faill
I will not be feeding for 2-3 days, i think ill be batteling gnats soon..


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    #829002 - 10/13/17 04:15 PM (8 days, 2 hours ago)

I agree with phycotron. Most rockwool cubes will hold too much water if allowed. Dont want them heavy just lightly moist or will rot seedling or clone. Also coukd be thw fungus gnats esting clomes roots. Those larvae will climb up in the stem and eat away and cause more rot. Spray surface with dilute peroxide solution to keep them away. Kill larvae but no real damage to the plant. Also sticky traps. Or can get those mosquito dunks and add that to ur water just bacteria and works great. And good for maintenance prevention.its a special strain od bacilus Thuregensis not the straim for catepillars the 1 for mosquitos as fungus gnats look the same and closely related.


Also dont need to worry to much about humidity and seedlings esp after get set of real leaves. Can bend them back and forth to strengthin tgat stem and lower the light so dont stretch so much. I find rolling stem or spining stem works a little better then just bending .

Are u using hydro? Seedlings dont need much or really any nutes till get full real leaves. So dont burn the little ones. 1/8th strength or half recommended for seedlings if they have it. Also using bloom formula is helpful to make roots and dont need much nitrogen so works well for first few weeks. Obv not a bloom booster


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