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Is this enough light?
    #81817 - 07/13/08 01:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay so i gave in and bought some lights from htgsupply cause they gave me a discount cause of somecomplications with them last year.

I got the "HTG Supply 2 Foot 2 Lamp PL-55 Tek Lamp" and 2 grow bulbs and 2 bloom bulbs. The fixture can hold 2 bulbs at a time and each bulb puts out 5000 lumens, so 10,000 for the fixture.

http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=51907

Does anyone know if this would be enough light for a few lowryders start to finish, or should i find some cfl to wire up also. The grow area is 3' x 2'

Oh and of course there will be reflective mylar on the walls of the grow area.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: FrozenReality]
    #81823 - 07/13/08 01:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it is only a few lowryders, I think that it should be enough lumens. The plants would all need to fit pretty much directly underneath and right around the bulbs though, I would think, so consider that when thinking of how many to actually run.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Sirius]
    #81878 - 07/13/08 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My 400w hps from htg broke in less than 2 weeks of use. Now I have to call them and use the warranty. Which I hyope they dont make me send this ballast back unless they cover shipping because I cant even buy nutes atm let alone waste money on shipping a item thats broke.

And I know someone else whose broke about 2 months in. Make sure to get a warranty.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #81887 - 07/13/08 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've read a lot of questionable stuff about HTGSupply, a lot of stories similar to what you're saying.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #81897 - 07/13/08 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah i had a 1000 watt i bought from them and the first package that came, the reflector had a small bent piece of metal that the hanger attaches to but it could be bent back, but i had them send me a new one and they told me to hold onto the old one just in case ups wanted to check it for insurance purposes. The bulb that came with it had broken glass in it but they said it would work just fine. Well 2 weeks in the bulb burned out, so they sent me a new one but they were out of the low quality ones so they sent me a really expensive bulb. Than like a month later the ballast stopped working. So i sent them everything but the old reflector and got a full refund (-10% restocking fee) and the guy that does returns contacted me saying that he has never seen someone put so much care and work into packaging the product for return and said for now on they will give me a discount. and yeah the light system i ordered this time didnt cost nearly as much and there is a warranty on everything, including the bulbs. (and i still have the old euro reflector w/glass insert that they completely forgot about or dont care about cause the insurance replaced it)

Good luck dealing with them, im not going to go through them to get any expensive items anymore, but hey 10,000 lumens for 70 bucks that fits in 2 foot by 1 foot space, had to try that out.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: FrozenReality]
    #82176 - 07/13/08 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thats the light I use for my mushys, I doubt it will produce a good size cannabis crop.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH]
    #82239 - 07/13/08 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He said he was just looking to run a few lowryder plants, so I don't think he's out to break any harvest records or anything. :grin:

Like I was saying earlier though, I have doubts that it would work for a floor space of 3x2. It should work well enough for smaller plants like lowryder, provided that they are only grown in the immediate area underneath the fixture. We're talking about two square feet in that case, and I would think that 10,000 lumens should be enough for that. :smile:


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Sirius]
    #82248 - 07/13/08 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

even with a lowryder strain your not gonna pull more than  1/4 to a 1/2 off each plant if that!!!

floros are for clones & seedlings go get a 250-400watt HID
there $150 at the top end.

If your gonna risk it by growing, DO IT RIGHT!!!


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most hydro shops carry it, mylar is like using tinfoil!


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH]
    #82278 - 07/13/08 07:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

HID gives off too much heat for such a small grow area and i dont really want to be drilling large holes in a beautiful mahogany external closet for venting. Mainly going to use this just to grow a few plants at a time. trying to stock up on seeds for the next outdoor grow season. 1/4-1/2 sounds perfect as long as they are seedy as fuck ;]


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: FrozenReality]
    #82369 - 07/13/08 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

sounds good!!
good luck!


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH]
    #82565 - 07/13/08 11:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, and Im thinking it would be a good idea to use one grow bulb and one bloom bulb through the whole grow. Since its autoflowers. probably a 18/6 lighting. Ill let everyone know how it goes. And of course save some pollen (if i have any males) to trade on here if they ever decide if pollen trading will be allowed.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH]
    #82896 - 07/14/08 05:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

SRH said:
even with a lowryder strain your not gonna pull more than  1/4 to a 1/2 off each plant if that!!!

floros are for clones & seedlings go get a 250-400watt HID
there $150 at the top end.

If your gonna risk it by growing, DO IT RIGHT!!!




There's a lot of indoor growers who will use nothing but CFL's and fluorescents, and even though they obviously couldn't match the benefits of growing underneath HID lamps, I have seen no reason to believe that those using fluorescents and CFL's throughout the whole grow in the right way are not "doing it right".

How have you determined that he would not pull more than a quarter to one half an ounce on each plant with that setup?


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mylar :thumbdown:
Use double sided 2-4mm Black/white plastic.
most hydro shops carry it, mylar is like using tinfoil!




I personally prefer black/white plastic as well, but I think it should be pretty clear that mylar works perfectly well, considering the large amount of people who use it in their grow rooms, and that it is also clear that it is not like using tinfoil.


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Sirius]
    #82952 - 07/14/08 10:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i like your avatar :wink:


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Sirius]
    #83608 - 07/15/08 01:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

SRH said:
even with a lowryder strain your not gonna pull more than  1/4 to a 1/2 off each plant if that!!!

floros are for clones & seedlings go get a 250-400watt HID
there $150 at the top end.

If your gonna risk it by growing, DO IT RIGHT!!!




There's a lot of indoor growers who will use nothing but CFL's and fluorescents, and even though they obviously couldn't match the benefits of growing underneath HID lamps, I have seen no reason to believe that those using fluorescents and CFL's throughout the whole grow in the right way are not "doing it right".

How have you determined that he would not pull more than a quarter to one half an ounce on each plant with that setup?


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mylar :thumbdown:
Use double sided 2-4mm Black/white plastic.
most hydro shops carry it, mylar is like using tinfoil!




I personally prefer black/white plastic as well, but I think it should be pretty clear that mylar works perfectly well, considering the large amount of people who use it in their grow rooms, and that it is also clear that it is not like using tinfoil.





Well in the first place I never said that you couldn't use and or shouldn't use CFL's and fluorescents!!!
I said there best for clones & seedlings!
& if you wanna spend the money might as well get A HID

using CFL's and fluorescents to grow BUD is a joke!!!
IMO

+ Mylar gives off hot spots Just like tin foil does, just not as much!!

LMAO @ Sirius :dumblol:


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH]
    #83644 - 07/15/08 01:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9280

The guy on there grows lowryders with a couple weaker cfl through the whole grow and his shit turns out amazing. Also gives some good information on growing and nutes and stuff.

here are some pics of his finished grow. It gave me a little more hope and trust in fluorescents






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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH]
    #83813 - 07/15/08 05:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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& if you wanna spend the money might as well get A HID

using CFL's and fluorescents to grow BUD is a joke!!!
IMO




You're not making any sense. There is a list of reasons why some individuals are in situations in which getting a HID just doesn't work for them. Beyond that, there is absolutely no reason using CFL's or fluorescents for flowering won't work out great, provided that the right color temperature and the right light intensity is given. In fact, logically, if the spectrum is the same and the intensity and distribution of the light is made to be the same, there would be absolutely no difference. I've seen plenty of documentation of great buds formed underneath fluorescents. You're confusing the fact that HID usually will work more effectively for flowering than fluorescents or CFL's for meaning that fluorescents and CFL's are worthless for flowering, which couldn't be further from the truth.

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+ Mylar gives off hot spots Just like tin foil does, just not as much!!




Obviously mylar isn't as effective as panda film or any flat, white surface, regarding the angles at which it reflects light. Obviously it is much better than tin-foil, and obviously there are a great number of growers who seem to be able to use it just fine, all without your input on the matter. :shrug:


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Sirius]
    #84489 - 07/15/08 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

OMFG!!!

& were are you getting your info from???
it's all here say soo your wasting your time!!

your just one of those people that always has to be right!
Even when your dead WRONG!!!

& those lowryder pics, like I said JOKE!!!


OH by the way, Now I can't even have a opinion without you trying to correct it! yeah, your a good MOD.


Edited by SRH (07/15/08 07:58 PM)


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH] * 1
    #84580 - 07/15/08 09:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LOUD NOISES


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: SRH]
    #84614 - 07/15/08 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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OMFG!!!

& were are you getting your info from???
it's all here say soo your wasting your time!!

your just one of those people that always has to be right!
Even when your dead WRONG!!!

& those lowryder pics, like I said JOKE!!!


OH by the way, Now I can't even have a opinion without you trying to correct it! yeah, your a good MOD.




usually credit is given where it has been earned...

SO PONY UP, SON

got any pics to exemplify this grand knowledge of yours?


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Re: Is this enough light? [Re: Yrat]
    #85075 - 07/16/08 05:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Like I said hearsay, point less.
blah blah blah...


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