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 Rev. Bud Green
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 Re: stiff and drooping leaves  [Re: dmtcorey]
#766091 - 01/17/15 04:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never looked in to dwc or hydro growing. Is it easy for beginners to start or set up? $ is my biggest determining factor.
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 oeric mckenna
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Luckily, all the parts are super cheap thanks to fish tanks and relating parts...
I tried hydro but it wasn't for me
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: oeric mckenna]
#766214 - 01/17/15 07:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about it turned u off?
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m3kgt
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Those flowering plants are craving for more light spectrum (lumens). Good job so far.
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: m3kgt]
#766411 - 01/19/15 07:27 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mrshroom
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: m3kgt]
#766429 - 01/19/15 12:09 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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m3kgt said:
Those flowering plants are craving for more light spectrum (lumens). Good job so far.
plants dont see lums..... lums is a measurement of light that the human eye can see. So when all these light bulbs companies stat that they have more lums then another is just putting big numbers on a box to make the uneducated think there is product is more superior then the otheres
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ShortCircuit
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: Mrshroom]
#766447 - 01/19/15 01:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mrshroom said:
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m3kgt said:
Those flowering plants are craving for more light spectrum (lumens). Good job so far.
plants dont see lums..... lums is a measurement of light that the human eye can see. So when all these light bulbs companies stat that they have more lums then another is just putting big numbers on a box to make the uneducated think there is product is more superior then the otheres
can i please add to this?
the inverse square law shows that light diminishes in intensity the farther away you get from the source, and to what degree.
hortilux has a 400w HPS bulb rated at 55k lumens for a price of about $90+
Ultra Sun makes a 400w HPS with 50k lumens for a price of only $20 (you can find them for half that on amazon)
it comes down to what you think is worth it really... the ultra sun will do just about everything you need it to do, just about as well as the higher quality bulbs.. but a lot of them i have seen come scuffed and can have knicks in the glass... the ones that didnt, worked just fine and are reliable.
the hortilux bulb is going to be tuned IIRC better for the digital ballast and if you want the most amount of lumens possible for certain range then you could go with the hortilux... from where i am standing i don't see much of a reason to though, it's a matter of 5,000 lumens.
remember though, space dictates what type of wattage light you should use.
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: ShortCircuit]
#766457 - 01/19/15 01:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im using a t5 cfl fixture, cuz I can't afford better right now. Its a few inches away from the tops. I have 4 26w and 1 42w bulbs surrounding the plants. I'll b adding more when I get paid again. The regular bulbs are 2700k, but the 4 tube t5 fixture is still using 6500k until I can purchase the 2700k tubes.
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Mrshroom
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: ShortCircuit]
#766472 - 01/19/15 05:15 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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StateOfMindGone said:
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Mrshroom said:
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m3kgt said:
Those flowering plants are craving for more light spectrum (lumens). Good job so far.
plants dont see lums..... lums is a measurement of light that the human eye can see. So when all these light bulbs companies stat that they have more lums then another is just putting big numbers on a box to make the uneducated think there is product is more superior then the otheres
can i please add to this?
the inverse square law shows that light diminishes in intensity the farther away you get from the source, and to what degree.
hortilux has a 400w HPS bulb rated at 55k lumens for a price of about $90+
Ultra Sun makes a 400w HPS with 50k lumens for a price of only $20 (you can find them for half that on amazon)
it comes down to what you think is worth it really... the ultra sun will do just about everything you need it to do, just about as well as the higher quality bulbs.. but a lot of them i have seen come scuffed and can have knicks in the glass... the ones that didnt, worked just fine and are reliable.
the hortilux bulb is going to be tuned IIRC better for the digital ballast and if you want the most amount of lumens possible for certain range then you could go with the hortilux... from where i am standing i don't see much of a reason to though, it's a matter of 5,000 lumens.
remember though, space dictates what type of wattage light you should use.
well i was not trying to get into huge details i was just trying to point out a miss informed fact that most bulb makers try to use to against the uneducated customer or the shady grow stores that will use that to try to get you to spend a extra 50 for a bulb when it really lums numbers really have no bearing on what is considered a good quality bulb. Just trying to help the guy out so he wont get fucked out of money.
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: Mrshroom]
#766473 - 01/19/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its all good guys, I appreciate the concern and the help. When I do finally get an HP's setup its gonna b on the cheaper end anyway. Walmart has a 400w setup for $150, but may take a bit for me to get it. I really don't have the cash for a great setup. I work my ass off for pennies, so I'm trying to save a lot of $ by growing my own. I have to upgrade as I go over time. Considering a hydro setup too.
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dmtcorey
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HIDs (mh)or (hps) lamps are built for shear intensity not for spectrum ,leds on the other hand are built for spectrum ,but when weighed out your better off to run cheap bulbs that are $20 a pop instead of paying 90 a pop ,even if there is a 5000 lumen difference still the cheaper lamp puts out more bang for the buck ,better to run the lamps for a couple runs and switch em out imo
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: dmtcorey]
#766656 - 01/21/15 10:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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My CFLs are fairly cheap, and 2700k, and I have a few surrounding, while the t5 fixture has 4 tubes at 6400k. Every other week I'm able to buy a little more. My intention is to buy 2700k tubes for the t5 as soon as I can. The buds are looking good but they're not fattening up as much as I'd hoped. Would it b better to change the t5s to 2700k, or keep the 6400ks to provide a broader spectrum?
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webster10
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For flower, switch to the 2700k. You could get away with leaving the 6400k for the first week or two. I've heard it can help prevent stretching.
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: webster10]
#766692 - 01/21/15 02:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks, will do.
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Mrshroom
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Quote:
Rev. Bud Green said:
My CFLs are fairly cheap, and 2700k, and I have a few surrounding, while the t5 fixture has 4 tubes at 6400k. Every other week I'm able to buy a little more. My intention is to buy 2700k tubes for the t5 as soon as I can. The buds are looking good but they're not fattening up as much as I'd hoped. Would it b better to change the t5s to 2700k, or keep the 6400ks to provide a broader spectrum?
well with cfls you dont get the amount of light out of them that plants need. Cfls wast alot of power discharging heat instead of more light. The only good place a cfl has is for a first time grower who just wants to see if they are interested in it . cause in the end just sticking to cfls will be wasting your time and money cause you just cant get any yield off a cfl thats even worth mentioning
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: Mrshroom]
#767090 - 01/24/15 10:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can see what u mean, I just don't have the $ all at once to get a good light yet. If I get a hps/mh setup, I would also have to get an inline duct fan, correct?
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ShortCircuit
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cfl's are great for seedling growth because they aren't as hot...
but yeah definitely, get yourself an inline duct fan and a carbon scrubber, and have the ducting run to an air-cooled/enclosed lamp housing, like from Sun system
https://www.hydroponics.net/i/140770
this is just one example of many and greatly reduces heat and smell from your indoor garden.
when you do get an inline fan and you decide you want to add a carbon scrubber, make sure the CFM numbers match to a degree (cubic feet per minute)
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Rev. Bud Green
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Re: stiff and drooping leaves [Re: ShortCircuit]
#767117 - 01/24/15 02:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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budgrowerwannabe
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Wtf wallyworld sells that shit? Sweet!
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Rev. Bud Green
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Do you think its worth investing in or do u think it'll burn my house down hahaha?
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