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Door Jam Grow Log...
    #761739 - 12/14/14 09:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

From my journal.
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/761736/vc/1#761736
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vinsue said: (on 11/29) .
2  Widow, 1 SAGE, 1 Dark Star,  1 Critical auto,
Plus a San Pedro, some Poppies, some cactus seeds.
Y
30" Wide x 20" Deep x 6' 10" High.
1 - 100w HPS,  9400 Lumens
2 or more  CFL's 6500k 200w (42 real W),  2800 L. each



First Widow...




2, timers, 1 for the fan only.



12/01/14 ... .germinated 3 seeds I just found from my last grow in 2007  (They sprouted in 36 hrs)
The plant they came from was buried in an early snow. I forgot it was outside.





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vinsue said: (on 12/14) . 
2 weeks in. I re-potted all plants yesterday, (FFOF), I put the auto and the 'stronger' widow in the larger blue pots, their final home. They're 2 inches deeper than the other pots.

I pinched that widow, (future mom), LST only for the others.
Went from 3" square to 6" round.

.
With the lights on...



I'll keep this going here(I think my journal might be locked):confused:
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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #761745 - 12/14/14 10:51 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Man nice!  Dont you love those big ass cfls they cost money.

Im here watching!:stayfunky:


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #763141 - 12/24/14 03:01 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Week three. I know, shitty pics, maybe that fat fuckin' bearded longhair gift giver
will hook a brother up with a decent camera this year.
Plants are about 4 to 5 inches tall.






I decided to top the Dark Star and the SAGE and I rooted the cuttings in some "super plugs" with a root hormone.


I also rooted a spearmint, peppermint, catnip, oregano  and a basil cutting.


The topped plants are on the right.

I'm using 4-42w and 5-23w 6500k CFLs. I had to move the lights
about 4-5" away from the top of the plants to keep temps around 80oF.

Is it OK to remove a couple of the larger leaves to allow better light penetration
and provide growing space for lower leaves/ future branches to grow?

Also, is it too early to start with Nutes? I picked up a pint of FF Big Bloom on sale
for when they go to flower. Soil I'm using is FFOF.
I was expecting these babies to be taller, but I guess compact growth is a good thing.

Also, last week my brother visited with a bag he got that was called Acapulco Gold.
Nice energetic high. I found 8 seeds, germanated 4 of them and they all sprouted.
Wonder what the chances are that that's what they are?
His source has been in the game for years. Time will tell.

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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #763144 - 12/24/14 03:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Me personally, In ff I wouldnt start feeding till there a month or so old depending on pot size. Yours look like 1-2 gal so I would say 4 weeks would be good then feed like half to see how your plants like it?


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #763307 - 12/25/14 08:30 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Looking pretty good for only 3 weeks in. How much light are you using for this grow? (include lumens if possible)? And what kind of soil and nutrients are you using?


Edit: just saw what soil and nutes you're using :facepalm3:

But I'm still confused about the lights. Are you using all those CFLs and the HPS?


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: webster10]
    #763335 - 12/25/14 11:47 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

No, I'm saving the HPS for when they flower.
The 4 - 42w are 2800 each,
plus 4 - 23w at 1500, so 17,000 lumens.
I've also got 2 more 23's for the 4 A. Gold
and 1 Super Iced Grapefruit sprouts that are now about 8 or 9 days old.

Tomorrow I'm pulling them all out for a good watering and to reconfigure my light layout. 
A few of the leaves have yellow tips and slight curling up at the serrated edges
that I suspect is from the lights heat. Temps are between 75 and 85oF,
depending on when the fan kicks on(30 min. Every 3 hrs.)
I'm debating whether to let the fan run either 24/7 or just 18 hrs while the lights are on.

I'm also going to check for any sign of bugs. I already found a few black gnats flying about
plus 1 tiny skinny green fly that I promptly killed.(less than 1/8" long)
I suspect the gnats came from the FFOF because I found 2 more
inside the bag after I had used about 1/2 of it.
I keep a 5" dia. dish of water in there for humidity and
I've already found 2 dead gnats floating in it.

Think it's OK to remove a few of the largest leaves for better light penetration
and to allow more room for the lower leaves to grow? The Widow that I topped
2 weeks ago is really looking crowded.

I wish I had a better camera. All I have is an IPad and a shitty old flip phone for pics.
I sure am loving this grow and the pleasant aroma in the air from these little girls.

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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #763338 - 12/26/14 12:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't remove any leaves unless they were severely damaged. By removing healthy leaves the plant is losing energy.

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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #763356 - 12/26/14 06:11 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Deadkndys420 said:
I wouldn't remove any leaves unless they were severely damaged. By removing healthy leaves the plant is losing energy.

:2cents:



 

just dont do it! no stress for the autos!


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #763377 - 12/26/14 09:39 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yeah don't do anything to stress the autos. I'd keep the fans going 24/7, mites love stagnant air. Or at least more than 30 mins every 3 hours. I do a cycle where I run 2 hours on, 15 minutes off during the day but at night on the whole time. But that is the intake and exhaust. I run an oscilatting fan 24/7.

You add humidity? I am doing anything I can to lower it lol.


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: webster10]
    #763769 - 12/30/14 09:09 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Week 4.


Looks like the Critical Auto is beginning flower stage, pistils are forming.
Is that normal to start flowering at 4 weeks?


Will adding 2300 k of light benefit the auto?
They're still getting 6500 k , as are
the other plants, for another 3 to 4 weeks (maybe more)

Also, these plants are much ore compact than I was expecting. (Only 5 - 6" nches tall)
I'm guessing this is a good thing because I don't really need tall plants.

Another thing, the 3 plants in the smaller pots are having problems with leaves yellowing and spotting.


No nutes applied yet, FFOF soil. I do mist with tap water every other day or so.

There's also a strange yellow spot on one of the baby plants(top right).

Almost looks like a chemical burn.

I'm starting to notice that the smell is getting stronger. I may look into building a ghetto carbon air scrubber.

Any advice, answers, solutions are welcome.

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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #763790 - 12/30/14 11:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Looks like the Critical Auto is beginning flower stage, pistils are forming.
Is that normal to start flowering at 4 weeks?



Completely normal. I have grown maybe five different auto strains and all have flowered starting at 3-5 weeks.

Quote:

Will adding 2300 k of light benefit the auto?
They're still getting 6500 k , as are
the other plants, for another 3 to 4 weeks (maybe more)

Also, these plants are much ore compact than I was expecting. (Only 5 - 6" nches tall)
I'm guessing this is a good thing because I don't really need tall plants.



2300k is a spectrum that could be used for flowering so yeah a light this spectrum would benefit these autos that are just now flowering. But, 2300k lights will make every other plant that is still vegging stretch ever so slightly, as well as the autos. Just adding a few CFL 2300k lights I'm sure won't make a huge difference in the stretch though, probably barely noticeable honestly.


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Another thing, the 3 plants in the smaller pots are having problems with leaves yellowing and spotting.

No nutes applied yet, FFOF soil. I do mist with tap water every other day or so.

There's also a strange yellow spot on one of the baby plants(top right).



The spots could be a result of so many things. To help you we'd need to know how often you've been watering, what pH the water and soil is, the ppm of the water and what makes up the ppm. Are you misting the top of the soil and only the top?


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #763797 - 12/30/14 12:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

IMHO I would give them a light feeding and see if that helps. Being you're at 4 weeks and haven't feed them anything yet.


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #763898 - 12/31/14 07:51 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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IMHO I would give them a light feeding and see if that helps. Being you're at 4 weeks and haven't feed them anything yet.




yep dont forget cal/mal!!


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: webster10]
    #763912 - 12/31/14 09:40 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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webster10 said:... need to know how often you've been watering, what pH the water and soil is, the ppm of the water and what makes up the ppm. Are you misting the top of the soil and only the top?



Using city tap water, pH between 6 and 7, not sure of the FFOF pH, ppm N/A, I'm only misting the leaves.
First H2O on the 10th, repotted on the 13th,
thorough H2O on 10, 13, 18, 21, 26 and just 1/2C. for the 3 yellowing on the 29th.

Dec. 30 repotted the yellowing Dark Star and SAGE, (also my only Iced Grapefruit ), in 2 Gal Smart Pots.
SAGE top left, Dark Star top right, clones in between, bigger Widow in foreground in blue pot.


Applied 1/2 strength FF Big Bloom (that's all I had) 2 - 3 cups each to all, but none for the babies.
I also repotted the strongest A. Gold into a 6" dia. pot (bottom right)

The smaller Widow I put in a 3 Gal grow bag.
I cut a 3" hole in the bottom and eased the plant up through the hole,
Then added FFOF, closed the bag and flipped it over, put it in a 8x8" pot.
That way, I can add more soil to top of the bag later, which is now the bottom of the plant.


I may use this tek in the future, depending on how it works.
It should make adding more soil to the bottom of the plant much easier
and without repotting or causing much stress. There's 6 or 7" of room for expansion.
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budgrowerwannabe said:... yep dont forget cal/mal!!



Any link or DIY options?

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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #763940 - 12/31/14 03:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Using city tap water, pH between 6 and 7, not sure of the FFOF pH, ppm N/A, I'm only misting the leaves.
First H2O on the 10th, repotted on the 13th,
thorough H2O on 10, 13, 18, 21, 26 and just 1/2C. for the 3 yellowing on the 29th.

Dec. 30 repotted the yellowing Dark Star and SAGE, (also my only Iced Grapefruit ), in 2 Gal Smart Pots.
SAGE top left, Dark Star top right, clones in between, bigger Widow in foreground in blue pot.



So those dates are when you misted the leaves and not when you watered the soil? I think those guys may be onto something with adding a little bit of nutrients. What kind of nutrients do you have and do you have a ppm meter to measure the amount of nutrients? What are you using to measure the pH of the water?

If you need supplies I'll link you ones that are cheap.
ppm meter - http://www.amazon.com/HM-Digital-TDS-EZ-Measurement-Resolution/dp/B002C0A7ZY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420038182&sr=8-1&keywords=ppm+meter
(has worked perfectly since I've gotten it)

pH control - http://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-GH1514-Control-Kit/dp/B000BNKWZY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420038303&sr=8-1&keywords=general+hydroponics+pH+control
(awesome as well)

base nutrients - http://www.amazon.com/Combo-Maxibloom-Maxigro-2-2-each/dp/B008OB18NA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420038333&sr=8-1&keywords=maxibloom+and+maxigro

I'd say that using tap water and these base nutrients throughout the rest of your grow, you might not need to use any cal-mag, but here is some anyways.

cal-mag - http://www.amazon.com/Botanicare-Plant-Nutrient-Supplement-1-Quart/dp/B004JKBMRW/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1420038456&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=gh+calmag

Using tap water and nutrients that have micros in them, you may experience some lockout issues, but who knows, you may grow perfect plants if you keep the pH in range and strength of nutrients correct.


Your plants look really good though. Would you mind going a little more in depth about how you have a bucket that you can add more soil to the bottom of?


Edited by webster10 (12/31/14 06:01 PM)


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: webster10]
    #763963 - 12/31/14 05:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Sweet links I use all three ! I have ph meter too but I some times check my meter with the drops.:stayfunky:


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    #763964 - 12/31/14 05:40 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Your local hydro store should have calmag. If not I would go with websters links.


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: webster10]
    #764286 - 01/03/15 11:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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webster10 said: ... Would you mind going a little more in depth about how you have a bucket that you can add more soil to the bottom of?





Cut desired size hole in the bottom of the bag.
This will be the new top of pot.

Open up the bag and roll up the open end to a workable depth.

Gently work the plants leaves up through the opening.

Carefully place cardboard on top of plant to keep soil in place.


Cover plant with empty pot to protect it.

Now flip it over, and remove the plants original pot





Now add 1 - 2 cups of soil.


Close bottom of bag, but don't fold it over,
and place another pot over the crimped bag.
Now flip both pots over, and remove pot protecting the plant.



Carefully remove cardboard, and gently push excess white bag down into the new pot.


When it's time to add more soil, I'm going to make a larger cardboard with a slit and hole,
put it at the base of the plant, cover with a large pot or bucket for protection,
flip it over, remove pot and add soil.

I've never tried this before, but I think it should work out OK.

I did add nutes, big bloom for the auto,  GH's FloraNova Grow for the rest of them,
between 1 and 3 cups each, depending on their size.

I also tried the 100w HPS for the Auto, but temps reached over 95oF quickly.
I do have a small fan blowing up at the lights, and the top of the tent is open to vent heat.
I'll need to figure out adequate ventilation before I flower my photo plants in a few weeks.

Will post week 5 pics on Monday or so.

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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: vinsue]
    #764287 - 01/04/15 12:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Sweet post !!


But seems like lot of extra shit to do to say 50 plus plants lol

But for an experiment its cool!


95 will kill your plants . You will defiantly want to get that cooled down. Before flowering those other ones.
You just need something to pull all the hot air at the top of your room. Then pull cool air from outside.

I have a C.A.P controller cooling/heating meter that when it gets higher than like 75 it will kick on and cool the room down with in 3 degrees.


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Re: Door Jam Grow Log... [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #764288 - 01/04/15 01:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

You can get some 6 inch fans on eBay for 30 dollars. There a little loud but get the job done


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