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Something wrong with my seedling?
    #695483 - 11/25/13 07:15 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys, after getting my medical license,

I germinated my seed using the wet paper towel method inbetween two plates, and it had like a 1 inch root. i then planted it into a perlite substrate, and overnight it grew to this: (Like an inch poking through)




However, the stem looks white. Is there something wrong with my seedling?
I water once a day using ph7.0 water.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695497 - 11/25/13 08:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like a normal seedling. Pure perlite is not the easiest thing for a new grower to be using. THe seedling needs to be in the light for a bit to get some color in it.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Magash]
    #695500 - 11/25/13 08:48 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

i had rockwool.
but i used all the small ones i had, and now i only have one that's the next size up. would it be wise to let this grow till it's big enough to transplant to the rockwool cube, and then transplant it? perlite is really easy to wash off the plant, once it gets to be bigger, couldn't i just wash away the perlite around the roots and place it in a different substrate? (EG, rockwool?)

perlite is the best i've got right now, there's not much i can do about this.

My plan is to grow this one, and clone it three times and grow it under a 400 watt in my closet.

Furthermore, I was told not to give it light untill it sprouted its first two leaves, as it would be pointless otherwise, as the plant is not able to utilize the plant anyways.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695503 - 11/25/13 08:55 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

How deep is the cup you have the seedling in? what is it under for lights? What are the temps at? Any further details would be helpful.

My knowledge is very limited w/ hempys, but i might be able to help you diagnose the problem when provide more details of the environment of your grow.

I'm fairly certain you need to run your ph as though you're in hydro. So a ph of 7 is too high.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Farmer Joe]
    #695509 - 11/25/13 09:12 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

the cup is about 4 inches deep, it's actually in a mini DWC system itself (I figured it owuldnt hurt, as the roots arent big enough to reach it ANYWAYS, and the bubbling water will keep the perlite hydrated incae i forget to water it for a few hours)

(There are no nutrients in the water, it's just straight up water to keep the seedling moist. I was thinking of adding 1/10th the nutes strength once i starts to show leaves, but i'd like clarification on weather this is a good idea or not-

The water is a mix of ph7 and ph 6, i thought this would balance it out and put me in the middle (Half and half), and i was told DWC like between 5.5 and 6.7 PH. I have a machine that purifys the water and gives me whatever PH i want, (It does not use RO though, unfortunately.)

As for lights, there are no lights. I plan to stick it under one of thoes high efficiency lightbulbs once it grows leaves, and keep it there 24/7 on till it's rather sizable so I can switch it to my 400 watt HPS. (I also have a MH w/digital balast, but I was told to leave that for flowering.)


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695527 - 11/25/13 10:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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(There are no nutrients in the water, it's just straight up water to keep the seedling moist. I was thinking of adding 1/10th the nutes strength once i starts to show leaves, but i'd like clarification on weather this is a good idea or not-




Bad idea.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #695534 - 11/25/13 10:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, so should i just leave it as plain water?

When should I stick my nutes in?


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695578 - 11/26/13 07:53 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Water from the tap has enough dissolved solids in to sustain marijuana growth through the seedling phase.  Make sure the PH of the water you're feeding her with is within acceptable range (6.0-6.5) before you water. 

You want to begin looking at hitting her with nutrients after about the third leaf set comes in (not including the nursery leaves).  Plant will be in veg by then.  Mix your nutrient solution, then test the PH of the nutrient solution to make sure the nutrient solution is within the acceptable PH range before feeding the plant with said nutrient solution.  What kind of nutes do you plan on feeding her with?


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: hamloaf]
    #695632 - 11/26/13 01:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Botanicare nutrients.

Still not sure what wuantity to use, according to the back, im only supposed to keep my plant in veg for three weeks, i dont think that's right.

Anyways, im doing a dwc under a 400 watt HPS, im thinking i could easily grow 4 plants under this light, correct?


And at what time should i put my plants under the HPS light? I dont thin i can put a seedling there.....


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695674 - 11/26/13 04:22 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Well you can put a seedling under an HPS right off the bat.  You just keep the light a good distance away. 

4 plants can fit under a 400 watt.  Hell, 20 can.  It all depends on how big you want the plants to be.

If you are going to be going a soilless/hydro route, you will need to get a PPM or EC meter.  I prefer the PPM route, that's just a matter of preference though. 

What are you questioning about the 3 week veg time?  Too much?  Too little?  The amount of time that you veg your plants is based on how big you want them to be at the end.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #695729 - 11/26/13 10:13 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I'd like them to be fairly big plants. I'll go with 4 plants, as that's what I have seeds for at the moment.

I'm growing an auto-flowering Northern Lights blue, at the moment, but I have a regular northren lights blue, a white widow, and some other thing I forget.

Anyways, i was thinking of making 4 large plants and trimming them so they have huge canpoies and take up the entire space.

Here is my growspace:




have a PPM meter on the way in a few days. Hope I can get it here before it turns into a vengitative state and then i really need to pay attention.

PS, is there a good resource on how to calculate and use PPM values and such?


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695731 - 11/26/13 10:15 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I think there is one on the growery....I'll have to look for it.


As long as you just train them to where the light pattern is filled in you will be fine.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #695732 - 11/26/13 10:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #695844 - 11/27/13 07:54 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for the chart!

I'm having a look at it now. My PPM meter should be coming in a few days.

Will upload a updated pic of my seedling n a bit!


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695846 - 11/27/13 08:03 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

good luck on your new project OP :thumbup:


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: P-O]
    #695858 - 11/27/13 09:01 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Here's what they look like now!

This is exciting, they're growing so fast. It's something new every day!

I can't wait till it gets bigger. I have a feeling i'm going to really like this hobby.




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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695860 - 11/27/13 09:13 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Wow thats a lot of stretching.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #695865 - 11/27/13 09:38 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

They want more light man.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #695867 - 11/27/13 09:43 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Furthermore, I was told not to give it light untill it sprouted its first two leaves, as it would be pointless otherwise, as the plant is not able to utilize the plant anyways.





is prob why they are streeeetching


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: P-O]
    #695907 - 11/28/13 02:02 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Alright then, I'll hook up my 400 watt tonight :smile:


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #695912 - 11/28/13 03:10 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Other things that cause seedlings to stretch include lack of wind and the medium around the plant is not compacted enough, or too compact, but thats usually the medium being crappy not because you pressed the dirt around the seed down enough. I've never used perlite for seedlings but that may have something to do with it as well. Probably a combination of all the elements though.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: phychotron]
    #695918 - 11/28/13 05:32 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Pretty sure it was the light. The light was like a shitty 13 watt 7 inch tube.

I put a 35 watt with a reflector on top for the time being, and will transfer it to 400 watts once it gets bigger. hopefully this will work.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #696027 - 11/29/13 02:08 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

You can put that seedling under your 400 MH right now if you wanted to.  Just hang the lamp 3-4 feet from the top of the seedling.  As the plant moves into full veg you can begin to lower the light. 

Transferring or transplanting that seedling out of that perlite and into a 1-3 gallon growing container using a light and fluffy soil-less growing medium is something to be considered.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: hamloaf]
    #696036 - 11/29/13 04:52 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, so here's what I did.

I tried to transfer it to rockwool.

Note, tried. I sort of succeeded.

I don't have a small rockwool cube that you can put seeds in and have the root mass take up the cube- instead, i have a rockwool cube that is the next size up. It has a iant hole in the middle the smaller one is supposed to go into. Which my seedling won't fit.


So I gently washed off the perlite from the roots of my current seedling, and made a hole in the bottom of my large Rockwell cube at the bottom of the existing hole.

I put the plant's roots in that little hole, and since my stem was stretched out, I used the larger hole to support the stem with perlite.

So it literaly is a large rockwell cube with a large hole in the middle, that i put a smaller hole into, put the plant root in, and supported the stem with perlite, then watered it with water of a ph of 6.

Is this good or is my plant going to die?

Im hoping this would work, I have no way of currently getting small rockwool cubes.
I did this last night, and I woke up this morning and I took a look at it,and it seems to be doing fine. Not wiltd or dried up or anyting, in fact it seems more lush and green. I'll post a picture once i get access to a camera, but just from my description what do you guys think?

I plan on introducing this into my DWC system in a bit, and waiting for the second set of leaves to come in under my 400 watt MH lamp.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #696043 - 11/29/13 08:41 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, well this didn't seem to work.


The stem got REALLY thin.

Hmm, let me explain with pictures.


See the base of the stem? see how it's white and feeble?
Well, the whole stem isn't like that. The stem actually extends about an inch into the perlite, before the roots, which are in the bottom of the rockwool cube.

The stem itself, from the top to the middle to the bottom seems fine, however, there is that LITTLE feeble white part in the middle of the stem perhaps no more than a dew mm's in length.

The rockwool cube was warm to the touch, so I lifted the light a bit higher and added a fan to blow a genle breeze on it.

Is my seedling going to die, or is there a chance it can pull through?


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #696049 - 11/29/13 10:44 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't have a small rockwool cube that you can put seeds in and have the root mass take up the cube- instead, i have a rockwool cube that is the next size up. It has a iant hole in the middle the smaller one is supposed to go into. Which my seedling won't fit.


So I gently washed off the perlite from the roots of my current seedling, and made a hole in the bottom of my large Rockwell cube at the bottom of the existing hole.

I put the plant's roots in that little hole, and since my stem was stretched out, I used the larger hole to support the stem with perlite.

So it literaly is a large rockwell cube with a large hole in the middle, that i put a smaller hole into, put the plant root in, and supported the stem with perlite, then watered it with water of a ph of 6.




What are you doing here?  Stop making shit up as you go along and stick to the methods of raising seedlings that have been tried and are true.  Gain a better understanding of how marijuana grows by getting a few more grows under your belt using a soil-less growing medium and feeding with a well balanced organic or chemical hydroponic fertilizer before you go trying to grow in a Deep Water Culture. 

The leaves of that seedling have gotten green.  That's a step in the right direction.  That first set of true leaves looks pretty damaged though from the stress of being handled so much.  Consider doing a little more research before planting more seeds in the place of this seed in case this seedling doesn't fully recover. 

The base of your seedling is fucked because the seedling's not happy.  The growing medium is either too wet or too dry.  Don't judge temperature by simply "touching".  Get a thermometer.  Adding the fan was a good move.  You should be able to bring the light back down to within 3-6 inches of the top of the seedling now.  The gentle breeze of the fan is enough air cooling to keep florescent tubes cool.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: hamloaf]
    #696079 - 11/29/13 04:05 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

So I just leave it then?


I've been reading a lot of articles and posts about germinating and growing seedlings in perlite.

Should my seedling recover?

As of now, the stem isn't really looking so good- the temperature seems to be fine, and my PH is ~6.0, but the leaves seem to be closing up.

Not curling or anything, simply closing. Is this normal?

The light is a standard 90 watt directed lightbulb, and it's about 7 or so inches away, I'm afraid of bringing it to close as it gets pretty hot and i don't want it to warm anything up again.

Should I just get rid of this and start a new seedling in a rockwell cube, or is it still salvageable?


The reason I am "making this up as I go along" is because i'm reading this will work in some places (using Google) and also, because these are legitimately the only resources I currently have. There's not much I can do about that.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #696081 - 11/29/13 04:22 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

What do you mean standard light bulb?  Is it an incandescent? Or a CFL?


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #696083 - 11/29/13 04:32 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

CFL. The twisty ones.


I'm thinking of sticking it under my 400 watter though.

Put it under a 400 watt MH light.

Planning on running it 24/7 for now, as I saw some people here recommend for vegging.


Bulb is quite far away, and there's a fan running to keep it cool.
Might make a cooltube w/ refector later if this works out and my seedling recovers.

What do you guys think? Is it doomed?

I'll provide an updated picture in the morning.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #696091 - 11/29/13 06:04 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

It's hard to say if it's doomed.  The more you fuck with it though, the less of a chance of survival.  Transplanting during the seedling stage like you just did, is not recommended.  If it doesn't survive, that could be a definite reason it didn't. 

Throw it under your 400 watt, just keep the light about 3 feet away.


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Re: Something wrong with my seedling? [Re: TheUnknownPoet]
    #696119 - 11/29/13 11:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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The more you fuck with it though, the less of a chance of survival.








From this photo it looks like two possible things--the transition from root to stem zone that is now exposed or damp-rot. It looks more like the stem-root transition though. If its damp rot you probably wouldn't have it standing upright at that size.


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