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 little brownish/rust spots? 
#664733 - 04/03/13 10:33 AM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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hey guys I was checking out the girls and noticed some spots on the leaves.. there darkish or kinda of a rusty color almost only see a couple between the leaves .. but also noticed that the new leaves are a lighter green v.s the older leaves.. could this be a cal/mag prob?
i started my seeds on the 18th of last month in paper towels and then put them in the soil about 3 days later. so the plants have not even been in the fox farm soil for 2 weeks yet but can they already be having lack of nutrient deficiency?
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#664742 - 04/03/13 11:38 AM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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Pics man. And it's always possible, but unlikely.
Why does everyone jump to it being a cal/mag problem.
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Quote:
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Pics man. And it's always possible, but unlikely.
Why does everyone jump to it being a cal/mag problem.
well I jump to that cause I took look back at the growers bible book and looked up under the nutrient section and it said that little dark/rusty spots and light green color and yellowing of leafs.. but I also know that it could be other reasons so figured I would ask first.. hell it could be a ph problem for all I know lol. but I will get some pics for u in the next couple hours.
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#664755 - 04/03/13 12:13 PM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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oh and I been trying to keep the ph of the water that I feed to the plants around 6.4
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#664801 - 04/03/13 04:55 PM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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ok here are some pics for the spots
     
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#664802 - 04/03/13 04:57 PM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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and here are some pics of what I think if the yellowing
 
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#664806 - 04/03/13 06:12 PM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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I have a question: Why are the pots only partially filled?
could this be the FF "hot for seedlings" issue?
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: zzzzzz]
#664810 - 04/03/13 06:52 PM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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This is just typical seedling issues IMO. I've seen a lot of funkiness in the beginning of em. Just let it go. And the pots not being completely full seems very irrelevant.
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k the pots are about 3/4 full of soil. I was figuring about transplanting them in about a week? do u think that's to early?
oh and just wondering is 6.4 ok for my water ph that im feeding the plants with? or do I need to go higher or lower?
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#664821 - 04/03/13 07:37 PM (11 years, 25 days ago) |
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Too early. Let em get bigger. 6.4 is just fine.
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well I just checked out the girls and it seems that the spots are getting worse.. getting more of them. and ive noticed that the leafs are curling down a little
  
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665013 - 04/05/13 11:16 AM (11 years, 23 days ago) |
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my roommate said that it looked like that it was a ph/salt build up problem in the soil and to flush them. so I gave them a good flush. now does that look like that is the cause? or something eles? I just used plan tap water did not add any liquid karma or root enhancer.
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665028 - 04/05/13 01:27 PM (11 years, 23 days ago) |
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My advise is to everyone with soil: stop adjusting your pH when your plants are young, and probably all in flower. Get into that later, just not when your learning. Your soil should be fine for young plants; if not, change your soil.
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: phychotron]
#665055 - 04/05/13 07:13 PM (11 years, 23 days ago) |
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well any input on these spots? does it look like it was a ph/salt prob? or could it be a a nutrient problem?
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665090 - 04/05/13 11:19 PM (11 years, 23 days ago) |
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my input on those spots: they shouldn't be there, but wait it out a few days giving it tap water and see what happens. Soil should have enough nutrition to start seedlings without needing anything but plain water, everything else is overkill and you risk messing up your plants in some way. Get into amendments eventually, but start with with the basics at first.
I don't know the exact problem just by looking at it, but I would try another soil mix for your seeds if it continues to be an issue. Judging by the last photo you posted,
https://files.growery.org/files/g13-14/518199922-Img_00322.jpg
The main stem is nice and beefy, green and healthy looking. This is usually not the case with deficiencies.
if you have a better camera or one with a flash that would be great. Get a white sheet of paper and manually configure the white balance while pointing the camera at the paper under that light and it will come out in more natural white colors. phone camera's rarely have that option.
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665093 - 04/06/13 12:42 AM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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DUDE stop watering them.. at this stage you should be watering them at basically 1/4 the required strength, if not only tap water.. tap water has 100-200ppm.. so that's basically all the seedlings need... you should also be watering them with nutes then without nutes the next time.. rinse repeat.. if you aren't using nutrients then try NOT watering for a while until the top of the soil is dry..
ALSO you need to seriusly take that out of the pot.... then fill it the rest of the way okay? keep it in the same pot.. but fill it all the way AFTER removing the whole dirt clump with seedling.. then fill her up all the way with the base of that plant only an inch under the rim..
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Shexy8]
#665107 - 04/06/13 06:55 AM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
Shexy8 said:
DUDE stop watering them.. at this stage you should be watering them at basically 1/4 the required strength, if not only tap water.. tap water has 100-200ppm.. so that's basically all the seedlings need... you should also be watering them with nutes then without nutes the next time.. rinse repeat.. if you aren't using nutrients then try NOT watering for a while until the top of the soil is dry..
ALSO you need to seriusly take that out of the pot.... then fill it the rest of the way okay? keep it in the same pot.. but fill it all the way AFTER removing the whole dirt clump with seedling.. then fill her up all the way with the base of that plant only an inch under the rim..
well for the pot im going to be transplanting to a bigger pot.
as for the nutreints I was adding like 1ml of liquid karma out of 15ml it recommends to 1 gallon so I was giving it like nothing. I was not giving it any grow nutrient feeds or anything like that.
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665169 - 04/06/13 05:30 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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ok went to check on the girls today and now see the edges are turning yellow
   
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665172 - 04/06/13 05:34 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'd say either transplant it, or flush it out. Not sure what's going on.
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well I flushed them yesterday.
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665180 - 04/06/13 05:47 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Really? How much did you flush with?
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I used 7 gallons of water and had about 5.5 gallons of run off to dump
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665189 - 04/06/13 07:09 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Guess we'll just have to wait and see if that helps
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do u think I used enoff water?? the pots are one gallon size but about 60-75%full and had 12 of them
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665200 - 04/06/13 09:07 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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No, each container should have received about 3 gallons each. You always flush with at least 3 times the amount of substrate you have.
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damn would not have figured I would have needed that much. so next watering im guessing I should use nothing and just run a bunch of plain water threw to make sure that im flushing out what ever the prob is?
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665207 - 04/06/13 09:34 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Nah, just do it now. Flush em with 3 gallons each, or transplant into a bigger container with new soil.
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i was going to wait on the transplant cause you stated before its to early for that.. But if im transplanting into a bigger pot with the fox farm soil wouldn't the problem still be there?
k i will run more water tomorrow, i will go pick up some clearex also from my local hydro store to help make sure that i am flushing the soil good.
now if im going to be flushing the soil,will i be flushing out the nutrients as well? will i have to start adding in nutrients ?
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665212 - 04/06/13 10:00 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yup, what nutrients are you using?
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Quote:
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Yup, what nutrients are you using?
i have botanicare csn17 grow and bloom, botanicare pure blend tea, liquid karma. botanicare hydroplex bloom
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665214 - 04/06/13 10:18 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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I would add 2mls of the grow on the last gallon.
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any liquid karma?
also when i flush should i adjust the ph of the water? cause i belive the ph of my tap water is about 6.9-7.1 range
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665216 - 04/06/13 10:36 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Check it with every gallon you use, if it's hitting 6.9ish area, I wouldn't change it a bit.
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Re: little brownish/rust spots? [Re: Mrshroom]
#665229 - 04/07/13 08:27 AM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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i would reccomend just straight water... not nutients... then the next water i would do straight water again... and then you can think about puttin some nutes in...
also.. you need to remember that once a leaf is bad or starts crumbling.. it isn't gonna come back.. so just keep doing the right thing and wait it out until some new fan leaves sprout.. eventually these leaves will either fall off or you can pluck them once there are enough fan leaves total.. (mid-veg)
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