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    #659526 - 02/18/13 09:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Seeds were planted Dec. 18 and Dec. 25.  Sorry I'm starting this journal late but I'll try to be complete and thorough. 

First attempt was in Miracle Grow potting mix and ended half-assed due to conflict with partner, who has NO knowledge or care but has THE PLACE!  :laugh:  He also made everything unnecessarily complex and difficult.  They got spider mites because he brought them in from outdoor vegetable garden and he consistently under-watered them (thought starving them for water made them stronger!?!).  Then he harvested them too early and dried them too quickly.  We ended up with 2oz from about 12 plants.  Well, I can't give him all the blame since I absenced myself.  We've worked things out and I'm fully in charge of this grow, so I'm over there at least every other day to inspect, prune, etc.

This is a super budget grow with second-hand and home-made T8 fixtures, in 4-5 gal plastic buckets in a 4'x5' area.  Half the bulbs are 3000K and half are 6500K.  The only REAL money is in the bulbs.  BTW, that's 50,400 lumens in 20 sq. ft. or just over 2500 LUX (?)

I've read a shitload here and elsewhere and I'm violating some rules, at least according to a lot of the "common" wisdom.  :grin:

I re-used the spent MG potting mix from last grow, re-invigorating it with home-made worm castings (25%) and coated dolomite.  I used fresh MG in one bucket to get a comparison. 

We started with 6 buckets and 25 plants.  My "buddy" started his bag seeds in a 6" pot, en-masse and told me about it a week later!  I then pulled out my 7 seeds I had saved from quality weed (you know, a seed every couple ounces kind of weed) that I had been saving for years.  His is from generic so-so weed that's full of seeds ($50/quarter weed).  So, mine started a week later than his.  I started mine in single starter-packs. 

Surprisingly, the traumatic transplanting didn't seem to bother the plants too much.  I split them in groups.  5 of mine germinated and one died.  In total, we had 25 plants!  Not really the way I wanted but he's a bone-head and insisted we plant them all.

Some were culled due to being out-competed (I expected this).  One plant busted out in male flowers at about 4 weeks.  Others displayed their sex and widely varying ages, one of which JUST showed itself after 2 weeks of flowering! 

So, we're down to 11 females in 4 buckets.  At least I hope they're JUST females.  I'll keep an eye for hermie traits.

Some of the plants took off like crazy and, to keep everything even, I've experimented with LST and HST.  I was SURE some of the taller ones would be male, but they turned out to be female!  Many branches too!

ALL of them look to be Indica dominant, if not totally.  Please judge for yourself.  The plants from my seeds (3 females from 4 plants)are showing the most aggressive flowering.

Since the goal is to go on the cheap, I'm using MG Bloom Booster at 1/2 strength.  To the point of flowering, nothing has looked nutrient deficient, so the initial mix apparently was sufficient.  I also have epsom salts on hand in case of Mg deficiency.  They've received two waterings now with the half-strength nute mix. Other than that all they've received is straight tap water that's sat out for several days to a week to air out. 

I am not a complete novice when it comes to growing, having gardened quite a bit in the past.  I also have a have some knowledge of biology.

Let's see ... what else?  Trying CO2 supplementation but we've had to keep the door open due to high humidity from rapid growth as of recent.  We have an electric heater on thermostat but haven't needed it much since winter has been mild. 

First photo is of entire setup at 4-5 weeks from planting seeds (or 3-4 weeks post germination).  Second photo is of a primary leaf on 2-14, and the last photos are of a male I culled on 2-14 showing internode distance and overall height at two months.  Last photo is dated today (2-18) and is the space with thee of the remaining four buckets/11 plants.  Very short, no?  I figure it's due to lots and lots of light. 

Thank you!  Comments and questions appreciated!



Following pictures are as of today, 6 and 7 weeks respectively, two weeks into flower.  Second picture is MG and has one of the biggest plants.  Third one is the younger and of better lineage.  Note more flowers.



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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #659546 - 02/19/13 01:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I found TWO leaves with this presentation.  Both of them were from very low, near the soil.  As you can see from other pictures, the plants look very healthy otherwise. 

Is this just normal senescence? 



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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #659613 - 02/19/13 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Normal.  The lowest leaves aren't getting light so they start to die off.


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #659621 - 02/19/13 05:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Right.  The presentation confused me a bit with the spotting. 

Thanks for responding, Hawk.  Any comments on the grow in general?


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #659622 - 02/19/13 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The further I get into this I notice what appears to be a wide range of genetics from the bag seed.  Some have narrower leaves and some have wider leaves.  I do have an understanding of genetics and figure open pollination allows all kinds of genetics to enter the picture. 

With that in mind, I suppose harvesting will NOT be all at once. 

Also, since some of these have a LOT of branching, is it recommended to harvest the top bits and let the lower branches to continue to be harvested later?

These girls are really stretching.  Watered yesterday and they've grown an inch since then.  Wow!

Some more pictures:  1st is HST from overly large plant ... nearly busted in half but healed nicely with many large branches.  2nd and 3rd pictures intended to show stem size and vigor.



Oh, the stuff sprouting is tomatillos and tomatoes sprouting from vermicompost.


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #659626 - 02/19/13 06:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I never stagger harvest like that.  I just cut em down and move on.  When I get back home I'll go over the rest of the grow if I have time and make any comments if necessary


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #659630 - 02/19/13 06:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looking good:rockon:


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #659784 - 02/20/13 07:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, Wannabe.  Not much activity here is there?


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    #659794 - 02/20/13 09:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

no not really Im on here more than most.


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #659796 - 02/20/13 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I here every day.


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    #659840 - 02/21/13 01:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I check this fucker out on and off all day.


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #659843 - 02/21/13 01:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I check this fucker out on and off all day.




ha-ha-ha!  Not much excitement yet but I hope it'll get more interesting in weeks to come!  I tried to get some flower pics the other day but they all came out of focus.

I'll try again today so you guys have something to look at.


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    #659844 - 02/21/13 01:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I check this fucker out on and off all day.




same here


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: PoloDown]
    #660074 - 02/23/13 10:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A couple more pics.  Not keeping exact timing on these because there won't be an exact repeat happening since no cloning, and it's bagseed that is showing a variety of genetic dispositions.

Anyway, about 2 weeks into 12/12.  Runoff pH, BTW, has been just over 6.  How is it I can have such fantastic growth with cheap soil/fertilizers, tap water, and fluorescent lights?  :cool:

They're really starting to stretch.  I have to raise the lights every day!




Addition:  Addition:  These all were in vegetation 7 and 8 weeks before moving to 12/12.  I wanted to veg sooner but many of the plants hadn't shown their sex yet, so the last plant finally gave evidence of pre-flower after 7 weeks.  Strangely, the younger plants (the better bagseed ... where you find a seed every couple ounces or so) showed sooner than the cheap stuff.  So that means we just completed two weeks of flowering.  6 more weeks or so!


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #660111 - 02/24/13 09:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

HEll yea man looks good:crazy2:


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #660238 - 02/25/13 10:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More pictures.  Some plants are huge and others not so.  Several of them have 10-12 full-size branches that reach the top and form a canopy.  The random genetics are showing themselves.  The tallest plants are 2 ft. and the shortest are 1 ft.  Remember, that's 11 plants in 4 buckets (3x3 and 1x2).  It's just getting difficult to keep the lights even now with the various heights. 

I am hesitant to do any more topping and there's nowhere to go with LST or HST anymore since I'm running out of light in the 4x4 ft grow area.  I could spread the lights out further or add more lights. 

I took out a bunch of the lower growth that won't make much of anything due to lack of light.  Not quite lollypopped (but I'd need much older plants for that, no?) but getting close to that.

Pictures show flower development, general health, and overall height.  The yellow bucket with human body in picture is MG and is some of the healthier looking plants.  Everyone got fert. today at 1/2 strength.

Leaf appearance would suggest no nutrient problems right?  See first post for soil composition and fertilizer choice.



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    #660249 - 02/26/13 12:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hell yea man looking good!!! how cold does your room get at night?


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    #660251 - 02/26/13 12:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hell yea man looking good!!! how cold does your room get at night?




We're currently shooting for mid-60s and upper 70s to low-80s during the day.  Humidity was getting too high so we have to keep the door open most of lights on time.

I've been reading more and more on lighting and I'm starting to think 51300 lumens/16 sq ft might not be enough.  Fewer plants for that grow area would be better ....


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    #660252 - 02/26/13 12:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I just saw alot of purple on that sec. pic.?
Just add more]YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH LIGHT


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #660254 - 02/26/13 01:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I just saw alot of purple on that sec. pic.?
Just add more]YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH LIGHT




Yeah, I think we can put together another 4x fixture.  That's another 11400 lumens over a 6" x 4 ft span.  A total then of 62700 lumens in a 4 ft x 5 ft area.


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