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Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed?
    #659203 - 02/16/13 05:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Here is a post I read on Reddit, I am not too sure what to think about that...

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I've owned every major brand vape you can think off. Years of use, and I found my lungs hurting more than ever. I mean, sharp pain. I'm an engineer so I started doing some homework (that I really should have done before hand.)

99% of vaporizers you see today use the exact same ceramic heating element made in a factory in China. I googled the serial number on the element inside my Volcano and tracked them down. The on inside my SSV was exactly the same. The company I contacted produces the ceramic heating element for almost every major brand blow dryer, heat gun, and soldering iron sold in the US. I asked if there is potential health problems using them as a vaporizer. I had to spend a good 20 minutes just explaining what a vaporizer was, luckily the office I work in has more than a few people who speak Chinese. When I was done, they told me they should never be used that way. Ceramic elements crack over time, like 6 months to a year. For most uses, this isn't a real problem, but if you're breathing directly off them, you can get ceramic microscopic chips directly in to your lungs. They force anyone in their factory testing the elements to wear masks for exactly this reason. When I explained that Americans were using the elements to heat plant material and smoke it, they were dumbfounded and quite alarmed. There overwhelming response to me was don't use vaporizers with ceramic elements, which is most of them. The fact is, most vaporizers are cheap, overpriced pieces of metal and plastic that have zero health benefits whatsoever and are actually far more dangerous than smoking. None of them are FDA approved, and when marketing them, a business can say literally whatever they want without penalty.

In theory, the concept of vaporizing is sound. The practice of using ceramic elements to get the job done, in my belief, is not sound at all, and I hope some of you do some homework of your own. I really do believe more than a few of us are probably doing or already have done permanent damage using these ceramic elements.





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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Manitou]
    #659204 - 02/16/13 05:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If it's true.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #659207 - 02/16/13 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah of course, if its true, but I don't see why that person would simply make it up


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J'ai besoin de me trouver une histoire à me conter
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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Manitou] * 1
    #659211 - 02/16/13 06:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Uh, because it's the internet


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #659213 - 02/16/13 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

lots of things on the internet is true also, lots of lies of course, but not everything is a lie, also I think that if that guy took his time to write this thang, he seems pretty serious, it might be real man!


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Pour un instant, j'ai respiré très fort
Ça m'a permis de visiter mon corps
Des inconnus vivent en roi chez moi
Moi qui avait accepté leurs lois
J'ai perdu mon temps à gagner du temps
J'ai besoin de me trouver une histoire à me conter
Pour instant j'ai oublié mon nom
Harmonium - Pour un instant
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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Manitou]
    #659215 - 02/16/13 07:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It seems like a legitimate concern, enough of one for me to encourage my mother to hold off on the vape for a while.

I guess the only way to test it would be to find a control vaporizer and test the stream of warm air for ceramic particles, or test the tubing or balloon for ceramic.
Sadly, that's just out of reach for most of us here.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: resincoatedlungs]
    #659225 - 02/16/13 10:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't the herb filter it out?

Idk. I think my years of spray painting have hurt my lungs way more than weed smoke or vapor ever will.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: RasJeph]
    #659231 - 02/16/13 10:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Its quite possible Ras, but I just wanted to let everyone read this and tell me what they thought about that, as resincoatedlungs said, it is a legitimate concern, everyone says vaping is safer than smoking weed, but is it really?


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Des inconnus vivent en roi chez moi
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J'ai besoin de me trouver une histoire à me conter
Pour instant j'ai oublié mon nom
Harmonium - Pour un instant
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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Manitou]
    #659233 - 02/16/13 10:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Tear apart your vape and find out :cookiemonster:


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Manitou]
    #659234 - 02/16/13 10:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Some engineer.
He fails to mention (or maybe he's a liar and just doesn't fucking know!) that Volcano's have a ceramic heating element and an aluminum heat exchanger.  What that means is that the element is not directly in contact with the vapor/air that passes over your herb; it only serves to heat the aluminum block over which the air passes.
If he really opened up his Volcano, and he's really an engineer, this should have been obvious.
Now, with regard to the SSV he references, I believe that is a exposed ceramic element, but based on his lack of credibility (IMHO), you should look for other sources to support this claim.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Manitou]
    #659235 - 02/16/13 10:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

True. I'm not arguing, just throwing out some ideas in my head.

I mean, there'd need to be a study on exactly how much smoke hurt your lungs vs how much the ceramic dust hurt them. I'm sure working in a factory full of dust day in and day out is different than once or twice a day inhaling some microscopic bits.

But yeah, good info. I'd be interested in further developments about this just to satisfy my curiosity.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: 81renaissance]
    #659237 - 02/16/13 11:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

81renaissance said:
Some engineer.
He fails to mention (or maybe he's a liar and just doesn't fucking know!) that Volcano's have a ceramic heating element and an aluminum heat exchanger.  What that means is that the element is not directly in contact with the vapor/air that passes over your herb; it only serves to heat the aluminum block over which the air passes.
If he really opened up his Volcano, and he's really an engineer, this should have been obvious.
Now, with regard to the SSV he references, I believe that is a exposed ceramic element, but based on his lack of credibility (IMHO), you should look for other sources to support this claim.





Do you think it is like that for a lot of other kind of vapes? like Buddha for exemple, or is it only with volcano?


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Pour un instant, j'ai respiré très fort
Ça m'a permis de visiter mon corps
Des inconnus vivent en roi chez moi
Moi qui avait accepté leurs lois
J'ai perdu mon temps à gagner du temps
J'ai besoin de me trouver une histoire à me conter
Pour instant j'ai oublié mon nom
Harmonium - Pour un instant
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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: RasJeph]
    #659239 - 02/16/13 11:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Other things that make me question this article:
99% of vapes use the same ceramic element. - No sources, and he only references 2 vapes
He sat there using a "Chinese" translator for 20 minutes to explain what a vape was and THEN asked questions about it?  I strongly doubt that a Chinese customer service rep stayed on the phone long enough for the explanation, and I doubt even more that whoever it was he reached would have had the expertise to discuss these things with him:
Try calling a company that manufactures LCD displays, and then ask them how they feel about the use of LCD's in digital scales...you're not gonna get far.
Finally, he presents no source regarding his declaration that ceramic heating elements crack after 6 months-1 year.  The beauty of a ceramic element is that it heats evenly and according to this, can handle tens of thousands of heating/cooling cycles.  The ceramics wiki further details the process of strengthening ceramic that will be used in high temperature applications.

I'm just not buying it.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: 81renaissance] * 1
    #659241 - 02/16/13 11:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Both buddha and ssv use sintered ceramic elements (read the wiki on ceramics that I linked), I would infer that, unless you dropped or struck the element directly, very little or no micro-fracturing is going to occur as a result of normal, suggested use.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: 81renaissance]
    #659262 - 02/17/13 12:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks bro, I'm reading that right now man, great info!


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Pour un instant, j'ai respiré très fort
Ça m'a permis de visiter mon corps
Des inconnus vivent en roi chez moi
Moi qui avait accepté leurs lois
J'ai perdu mon temps à gagner du temps
J'ai besoin de me trouver une histoire à me conter
Pour instant j'ai oublié mon nom
Harmonium - Pour un instant
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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Manitou]
    #659295 - 02/17/13 12:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you have a bowl full of cannabis ... how are these 'micro-fuk-all' particles gonna get into yer lungs?

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit ta me :shrug:


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: niteowl]
    #659297 - 02/17/13 12:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ur not inhaling directly from it on most of them, the heating element heats up the herb chamber and u inhale from the chamber. Soooo this is dumb and that guy is a liar, he wants to hate on vapes cuz some people have nothing better to do than hate on cool shit. Vapes r obviously a much less harsh alternative to smoke


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: EyeSawJah]
    #659302 - 02/17/13 02:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I was messing around with my Extreme Q and i broke the wire tape connector thing so i took it apart properly, i'm just about done with vaping anyway.
It's 3-4 years old, it's had water spilled in it twice but it still worked fine after i dried it out.

I was wondering how to get into it but it snapped in my hand with a little force, i pinched the rest off with pliers.



I'm no engineer but it looks solid to me, you're only exposed to the outer casing and the central tube. Any bits would have 3 mesh screens and the weed to get through.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: Reaper]
    #659303 - 02/17/13 02:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm no engineer but it looks haggard. Not that I know what one of these is supposed to look like.


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Re: Are vaporizers really safer than smoking weed? [Re: drawde]
    #659304 - 02/17/13 02:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well it's fucked now. When i first twisted the wires coming out the bottom it sounded like mashed up crystals inside like it was shattered. It wasn't that bad though


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