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Offlinepunkrocker292004
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    #630857 - 07/07/12 10:19 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

im officially going to upgrade wondering if a 400 watt would be good for six plantsor should i go 600 i cant afford 1000 watt hps in electric gonn start saving getting a new tent ventilation a fan possibly a carbon filter basically i wanna start doin it right
which one
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400 watt hps
600 watt hps


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Re: upgrade [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #630861 - 07/07/12 10:36 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

6 plants but how big? what's the area?

I voted for 600 cause more light be betta :rasta:, but light is only 1 of lots of almost equally important factors that you need to consider to "do it right":grin:


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Re: upgrade [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #630862 - 07/07/12 10:38 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

i skipped the vote and opt for led..

and 6 plants the size of china? or sog? how many square feet? if your getting a 4x4 tent expecting to grow in a 4x4 area, get a 5x5 for a little extra space around the edges for fans or other stuff.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Maestro]
    #630863 - 07/07/12 10:40 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Maestro said:
6 plants but how big? what's the area?

I voted for 600 cause more light be betta :rasta:, but light is only 1 of lots of almost equally important factors that you need to consider to "do it right":grin:



more light!!!!!


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Re: upgrade [Re: phychotron]
    #630864 - 07/07/12 10:47 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

not everyone has 2000$ extra for led's man.
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phychotron said:
i skipped the vote and opt for led..

and 6 plants the size of china? or sog? how many square feet? if your getting a 4x4 tent expecting to grow in a 4x4 area, get a 5x5 for a little extra space around the edges for fans or other stuff.




but that sure is a good idea if you get a tent. my babies are all cramped cause i didn't wanna spend an extra 50$ for a bigger tent ._.


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Re: upgrade [Re: phychotron]
    #630866 - 07/07/12 11:09 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

you don't have to start out with all $2000 in led's, you can work your way up. To me "Doing it right" is buying the equipment that cost a little more but will last longer or is the final version of what you will end up with. i.e buying larger 8" ducts and fans and tent with 8" vents (not all have this) so you don't have to worry about insufficient air exchange from the starter 4" fan/vents.  I'm assuming if he's upgrading to a 4-600w then there is a lower grade, maybe 150w? that could go along side the led panel until it get's converted over to all led. The extra bud should cover the costs in no time.

Also, if you need an oscillating fan, get a stand up 'tower' fan, the types with the big fan head take up a lot of unnecessary space just to swing back and forth. the tower fans only take up as much space as their footprint, which is also smaller.

Dont just buy any ol' led though, it takes some research to find one with all the right stuff.


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Re: upgrade [Re: phychotron]
    #630867 - 07/07/12 11:27 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

LEDs suck.

period.

i run 400w but i voted for 600. defintely need more watts for more plants. id love to run a 600 in my tent but idk if i can keep it cool enough.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Pilze]
    #630868 - 07/07/12 11:35 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

hey punkrocker, check out this link

http://sunlightsupply.com/p-11884-galaxy-select-a-watt-electronic-ballasts.aspx

i think this would be a pretty good idea. get this ballast and a 1000watt lamp, then you can choose what wattage you want to run. 400, 600, 1000, or turbo

i have 2 400w galaxy ballasts. ive never had a problem with them. lumatek also makes dimmable ballasts. i dont have any personal experience with them, but ive heard really good things. both are good.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Pilze]
    #630869 - 07/07/12 11:57 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

i was gonna purchase
this

or the 400 watt version money is tight im gonna have to save a couple months to get either


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Re: upgrade [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #630876 - 07/08/12 02:10 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

punkrocker292004 said:
i was gonna purchase
this

or the 400 watt version money is tight im gonna have to save a couple months to get either



Go with the 600.
Nearly double the lums and penetration.
Win Win.

And that company stands by their warranties.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Pilze]
    #630883 - 07/08/12 06:41 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Pilze said:
LEDs suck.

period.





LED buds are great, you just gotta get a good fixture. There is 99% junk/marketing out there. 



punk, good to see your shopping around ebay. Built almost my entire garden from there, they are almost always the best price, and good shipping. after spending 1000's on ebay i ordered something from amazon and had to wait 3 weeks for my item. people on ebay are in a competition to see who can get the fastest shipping. I've ordered from htg before, no complaints. ebay is also a great source of delicious bacon. :wink:

i broke down and went with the 600 and can see everyone is working on a consensus. like it was just said, 2x the light for 1.5x the electricity is hard to beat.


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Edited by phychotron (07/08/12 07:07 AM)


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Re: upgrade [Re: phychotron]
    #630884 - 07/08/12 07:35 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

thanks everyone gonna go witht th 600

oh and psycotron yes i love htg been getting my stuff from them for years mostly because they have a store 3 hours away so shipping is quick regardless


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Re: upgrade [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #630889 - 07/08/12 08:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

LEDs are not worth it! lol you gotta move on man. to say its 99% bullshit marketing sounds like your buying into the bullshit yourself. no offense man, but for real, LEDS suck. my hydro store stopped carrying them years ago. if you try to order one theyll try to talk you out of it. for YOUR sake.

dont mean to argue, but its just so obvious.


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Re: upgrade [Re: phychotron] * 1
    #630915 - 07/08/12 01:22 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

phychotron said:
you don't have to start out with all $2000 in led's, you can work your way up. To me "Doing it right" is buying the equipment that cost a little more but will last longer or is the final version of what you will end up with. i.e buying larger 8" ducts and fans and tent with 8" vents (not all have this) so you don't have to worry about insufficient air exchange from the starter 4" fan/vents.  I'm assuming if he's upgrading to a 4-600w then there is a lower grade, maybe 150w? that could go along side the led panel until it get's converted over to all led. The extra bud should cover the costs in no time.

Also, if you need an oscillating fan, get a stand up 'tower' fan, the types with the big fan head take up a lot of unnecessary space just to swing back and forth. the tower fans only take up as much space as their footprint, which is also smaller.

Dont just buy any ol' led though, it takes some research to find one with all the right stuff.






He didn't want LED.  You need to learn that not everyone wants to go that route.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Hawksresurrection] * 1
    #630920 - 07/08/12 01:36 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Lol cmon man.

You say how bad the cheap fixtures are and you only had success with 2000$ worth of led's yourself.

So how can you tell someone to go l.e.d. but not go all out? (yes, to me 2000$ is all out.)

Not to mention that you never used hid's, so you can't really be a good judje of which works better.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Maestro]
    #630921 - 07/08/12 01:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

he's only tryin to convince himself that he made a wise investment in $2000 worth of LED lighting that could be covered by a 1000w HPS for a quarter of that price lol and get more bud and better bud.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Pilze]
    #630922 - 07/08/12 01:47 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I'm all for LED once the technology get's to where I want it to be.  I'll be stoked once it's there.  I'd love to not have to pay for the electricity to pull the yields I want.


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Re: upgrade [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #630923 - 07/08/12 01:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

my thoughts exactly ^^


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Re: upgrade [Re: Pilze]
    #630926 - 07/08/12 01:56 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

But wait....this guy has never used HID?


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Re: upgrade [Re: phychotron] * 1
    #630927 - 07/08/12 02:00 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I think he's misinformed too.
Quote:

phychotron said:
you don't have to start out with all $2000 in led's, you can work your way up. To me "Doing it right" is buying the equipment that cost a little more but will last longer or is the final version of what you will end up with. i.e buying larger 8" ducts and fans and tent with 8" vents (not all have this) so you don't have to worry about insufficient air exchange from the starter 4" fan/vents.  I'm assuming if he's upgrading to a 4-600w then there is a lower grade, maybe 150w? that could go along side the led panel until it get's converted over to all led. The extra bud should cover the costs in no time.

Also, if you need an oscillating fan, get a stand up 'tower' fan, the types with the big fan head take up a lot of unnecessary space just to swing back and forth. the tower fans only take up as much space as their footprint, which is also smaller.

Dont just buy any ol' led though, it takes some research to find one with all the right stuff.




You dont need 8" fan for 1 1000 watter. 4" is meant for 400-600 watters. Not that insufficient air exchange is less of a problem with led's.

You dont NEED an oscillating fan with hid's either. It just moves the air better and doesnt whaste space under the lights like your tower fan. also its way quiter.

It takes reasearch to realise you need to invest a lot of $ into something thats going to be twice as cheap in a year. Im saving more money waiting for bbetter l.e.d's while you fund the reasearch by paying for prototypes. Which is great, but only for someone who has no $ issues.


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