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OfflineMagicalOrangutan
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Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary..
    #630656 - 07/05/12 11:59 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

...except for once, which was medium quality weed outdoors with no expertise at the time :S

That being said, simple question about kush. (And please read all of this, because my vague question will be clarified after the following paragraph! I'm not that clueless).

Kush is indica dominant, and considering that, and also it's capacity for potency, what would you more experienced growers say is the best TRAINING METHOD, in terms of the criteria mentioned below, (HST, LST, more specifically, topping vs. Scrog vs sea of green etc.; not asking about mediums) to grow kush, specifically? Am I right in guessing, based on all I've read, that the screen of green would be the best overall method for the indica-dominant kush varieties....

....CONSIDERING the following criteria/parameters that I have:

1. -I have little space in terms of square meters, but up to 8 feet for height (yes I know this may not be the best for indica strains because they take up more area, but I have my purposes), and

2. -I want to optimize the quality and quantity (dried smokeable weight) as much as possible and the maximum time frame I want to spend is about 5-6 months for seed-to-harvest (I'll be starting from seeds, at first), and

3. -I obviously want the method with the least possible chance of spreading disease from one plant throughout the entire crop.


I don't really care about reducing time taken from seed to harvest, *except* that the fuzzy, but almost fine, line is approximately 5-6 months.

One last question is, and this concerns my second parameter mentioned above, will the quantity of said crop be in contest, somehow, to the quality, or are these two characteristics (hopefully) fairly independent?

Edit: for that matter, to generalize, are the best methods for satisfying any of these three (well, sortof 4) criteria, mutually at contest with any other? For instance, is the training method best suited for preventing spread of disease for kush, at mutually exclusivity/contest with the training method best suited for quantity of yield and/or quality of yield, given the 5-6 month time frame? Etc.

I doubt any questions as specific as those above have been answered such that I could easily search the net for said answers, honestly. But forgive me if I'm wrong about that.



Edited by MagicalOrangutan (07/06/12 12:06 AM)


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #630657 - 07/06/12 12:02 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

not all kush is indica dominant.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze]
    #630658 - 07/06/12 12:08 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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not all kush is indica dominant.




Ah, I heard it was mainly/all indica dominant though many hybrids of kush obviously aren't. But in any case, I'm referring to the indica dominant strains. If indica-dominant kush is indistinguishable, with respect to the criteria of my question in the OP, to other indica dominant high quality strains, then my question of course reduces to taking away "kush" in the question of the OP, and just replacing it with "indica dominant high quality strains".


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #630659 - 07/06/12 12:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

you could grow a plant out and take a bunch of clones, root them, then put them in soil, veg them for 1-2 weeks, then flower.

i would recommend doing 1 or 2 plants in hydro. seed to harvest. thats what im in the middle of right now. click the in progress link in my profile

hydro>soil


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze]
    #630660 - 07/06/12 12:29 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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you could grow a plant out and take a bunch of clones, root them, then put them in soil, veg them for 1-2 weeks, then flower.

i would recommend doing 1 or 2 plants in hydro. seed to harvest. thats what im in the middle of right now. click the in progress link in my profile

hydro>soil




In terms of quality/potency of the plant, quantity or both?


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #630661 - 07/06/12 12:34 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

both. you'll get 3 times as much yield with hydro than soil.

edit: if you do it right.


Edited by Pilze (07/06/12 12:39 AM)


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze]
    #630662 - 07/06/12 12:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Pilze said:
both. you'll get 3 times as much yield with hydro than soil.

edit: if you do it right.




Cool. Can you direct me to some sources on how to do it right? If not I'll just research it, of course


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze] * 1
    #630663 - 07/06/12 01:21 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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both. you'll get 3 times as much yield with hydro than soil.

edit: if you do it right.






Not true whatsoever...Hydro is a little faster growing than soil, but in NO way will give you 3 times the amount of yield.

I've grown in many different hydro setups, and have now gone back to soil. 

You're yield is going to depend on strain, environment, expertise.  But not whether you're in soil or hydro.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #630664 - 07/06/12 01:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

hawksapprentice said:
Quote:

Pilze said:
both. you'll get 3 times as much yield with hydro than soil.

edit: if you do it right.






Not true whatsoever...Hydro is a little faster growing than soil, but in NO way will give you 3 times the amount of yield.

I've grown in many different hydro setups, and have now gone back to soil. 

You're yield is going to depend on strain, environment, expertise.  But not whether you're in soil or hydro.




Environment?

And the main question I really have is, are there any situations where yield is in contrast with quality/potency?


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #630665 - 07/06/12 01:33 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Not really.  I yield around 2 pounds per 1000watt light, and quality is definitely not sacrificed. 

If you're not even aware of what the environment is in reference to, I would recommend a whole lot more research before you start a grow.  Especially if you want a decent yield. 

But it refers to the temps, humidity, FAE etc.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #630670 - 07/06/12 01:47 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Not really.  I yield around 2 pounds per 1000watt light, and quality is definitely not sacrificed.




Wet or dry? Either way, wow.

Quote:

If you're not even aware of what the environment is in reference to, I would recommend a whole lot more research before you start a grow.  Especially if you want a decent yield. 

But it refers to the temps, humidity, FAE etc.




lol I know that, and I know many specifics about it from reading Ed Rosenthal and many other reliable sources, but what I meant to ask was, what environments do you suggest? Though this is swaying from the question in my OP.

Actually, for that matter let's please get back to my OP; what training method (screen of green etc.) would you advise, given my parameters, for indica dominant high quality strains? And what do high quality indica strains demand to not diminish in quality?


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: MagicalOrangutan] * 1
    #630681 - 07/06/12 02:52 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Theres mixed opinions on all your main questions

but, strain wise, the more potent (on average) the bud, the less (on average) the yield.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Maestro]
    #630683 - 07/06/12 02:57 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Maestro said:
Theres mixed opinions on all your main questions

but, strain wise, the more potent (on average) the bud, the less (on average) the yield.




Well, there's no question as to what strains I'm going to experiment with, so that's irrelevant, but interesting, thanks for mentioning it.

What are your personal observations and/or opinions on these questions?


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #630697 - 07/06/12 09:45 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Pilze said:
both. you'll get 3 times as much yield with hydro than soil.

edit: if you do it right.






Not true whatsoever...Hydro is a little faster growing than soil, but in NO way will give you 3 times the amount of yield.

I've grown in many different hydro setups, and have now gone back to soil. 

You're yield is going to depend on strain, environment, expertise.  But not whether you're in soil or hydro.




i disagree. every single green house grow video takes 2 clones at the same time and grows one in soil and one in hydro for a comparison test.

for their great white shark, they got 36 grams from soil, and 123 grams from their hydro plant. and all of their other videos are just like that.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze]
    #630700 - 07/06/12 10:39 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.greenhouseseeds.nl/shop/great-white-shark-feminised.html

right under the picture of the great white shark bud, click "grow sessions video"

every soil vs hydro test is the same ridiculousness. watching them made me decide to grow hydro.

edit: not trying to start a war! im genuinely curious about what you think about soil vs hydro since you've done both and have way more experience than i do.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze]
    #630712 - 07/06/12 02:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Hawk is right.
Those test aren't fair in no way.
They weren't feeding the soil plants, only using water.
That being said I'm not surprised with their yield at all.:rofl:


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Stoneth]
    #630714 - 07/06/12 03:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

i thought that was weird. but i also thought it was weird that the plant in soil with no nutes didnt start lookin fucked up like it had any deficiencies. idk, but they're a seed company trying to sell their product, so i know they're bullshitting a little bit.

i'm tempted to start up 1 or 2 plants in soil right now so i can start flowering them after i harvest the 2 i have flowering right now. hydro is awesome, but soil is less involved work than what im doing right now.

i'm still a noob. i need to get a few more grows under my belt before i can have a solid opinion on anything.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze]
    #630718 - 07/06/12 03:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I love hydro, and I have no luck with soil.
I find that with hydro I have more control over what my plant gets.

But a truly experienced soil grow can have the same control.


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Stoneth]
    #630721 - 07/06/12 03:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

man i totally agree. take a look at both my grows lol. first was soil, second, my current grow, is hydro. my "doctor" looks fucking beautiful! the kush has had a calcium problem so it looks kinda shitty, but its doing better now.

i'm having WAY better luck in hydro than soil. if i can figure out a better hydro system to use, i will. using 5 gallon DWC is a hassle having to top off the buckets every day and adjusting the pH.

soil would be less of a hassle than hydro, but im doing way better in hydro than i would in soil. i gotta figure this out!


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Re: Question from a NOOB who has yet to grow Mary.. [Re: Pilze]
    #630736 - 07/06/12 04:42 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

2 pounds per light was dry. 


If you prefer hydro that's great.  I liked it was well.  It sucks getting rid of all this fucking soil.  But I like this method of growing.


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