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why should marijuana be legal?
    #587986 - 09/22/11 02:43 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

convince me.
just thought i'd get some input from you guys.
I'm writing a persuasiv paper on legalizing marijuana for my class.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: iStoner]
    #587990 - 09/22/11 02:44 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Because nature can't be illegal or we would have outlawed hurricanes long ago.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: iStoner]
    #587992 - 09/22/11 02:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Gotta ask one question first: From where do you believe your rights as a human being come?


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #588005 - 09/22/11 03:43 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

i gave plenty of reasons (including scientific research) why it should be legal nearly 100 years ago


and i was met with the reply "it makes mexicans and blacks rape the white women"

that's not even true


now how the hell am I going to convince anybody so obviously biased and stubborn?


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: the bizzle]
    #588027 - 09/22/11 04:55 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I have the right to do whatever I want to my own body. End


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: Krackatus] * 1
    #588040 - 09/22/11 05:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Because this isn't an issue about drugs.  It's an issue of human rights, first and foremost.  Cannabis advocates need to recognize that and say it when they enter into a debate on prohibition.  Whenever i watch a debate on TV about cannabis its always the same old rhetoric.  It seems like rarely does anyone from our side ever mention the fact that this is a human rights issue.  Also, it's been a medicine and of use to humans for about 99.9% of the time we've known about it's uses.  Ehh, i could rant forever.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #588047 - 09/22/11 05:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I feel like the whole human rights idea is a bad point to include, because then you get shot back with the "well derpa derpa crack and heroin" thing. Which I believe is also up to the individual to make their decision, not a babysitting government.

However, its probably just an angle they want to avoid. Because its easier to convince people that a plant growing from the ground is OK, than "everything should be up to the individual". They've worked pretty hard to separate cannabis from hard drugs, and that argument places it right back in with the other illegal substances.

If people were able to think for themselves and make decisions based on logic instead of fear, that'd be one thing. But unfortunately, most can't.

Standing in a room of people arguing for the legalization or decriminalization of cannabis is one thing, but if you mention that you're going to HAVE to address the other substances, and if you don't defend them you sound hypocritical. If you do, you sound too liberal. See? Thats backing yourself into a corner which is probably why they avoid that like the plague.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: RasJeph]
    #588050 - 09/22/11 06:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

You should never feel like you shouldn't speak your mind, especially when you are confident you hold the moral high ground. Just learn to defend your position well.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #588052 - 09/22/11 06:10 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Once again, unfortunately the people who are in charge of these things are so set in their ways its not easy to convince them. It doesn't matter how much solid evidence you have when people are as stubborn as rocks.

Personally, I'd rather have my herbage legalized before I worried about the other stuff. I know thats selfish and not right, but with the way people and the system are, you gotta take baby steps :sad:

Trust me, I wish it wasn't that way. I just understand why they choose marijuana as the easy one to argue for. Its natural and all. It seems like the easiest argument of them all, and its just now starting to begin winning.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: RasJeph]
    #588060 - 09/22/11 07:51 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

It should be legal, because there are synthetic cannabinoids out there in herbal blends;
some states have banned some of these chemicals, including JWH-018, etc. But they haven't
banned them all. There are literally hundreds of different variations of the synthetic
cannabinoids, and nobody knows really how safe they are.

A person is going to get high regardless if something is legal or not, legalizing it would
benefit society in so many ways, and there would be no need for these synthetic alternatives
that may be harmful for the health of the public.

ETC.

I suggest watching the documentary, American Drug War, which was created by a friend
of Bill Hicks, Kevin Booth.



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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: I_AM_SWIM]
    #588062 - 09/22/11 07:55 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

By the way, has anybody noticed how Seroquel XR is being advertised as an anti-depressant?
I've seen the commercials for it. And all I can think of is, wow. They really want society
to turn into zombies.

Seroquel, is an atypical antipsychotic approved for the treatment of schizophrenia, and
bipolar disorder.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #588063 - 09/22/11 08:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

FurrowedBrow said:
Because this isn't an issue about drugs.  It's an issue of human rights, first and foremost.  Cannabis advocates need to recognize that and say it when they enter into a debate on prohibition.  Whenever i watch a debate on TV about cannabis its always the same old rhetoric.  It seems like rarely does anyone from our side ever mention the fact that this is a human rights issue.  Also, it's been a medicine and of use to humans for about 99.9% of the time we've known about it's uses.  Ehh, i could rant forever.




100% true.

Cannabis has been used as a medicine as far back as 6000 B.C.E. Probably even further.
And yet the FDA doesn't see any medicinal value in the plant.

:flowstone:

Neuroprotective antioxidants from marijuana.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10863546

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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: I_AM_SWIM]
    #588065 - 09/22/11 08:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

As far as I know it's the most useful plant to humans that exists.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #588073 - 09/22/11 09:08 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: DungenessDank]
    #588093 - 09/22/11 10:08 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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You should never feel like you shouldn't speak your mind, especially when you are confident you hold the moral high ground. Just learn to defend your position well.




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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: iStoner]
    #588096 - 09/22/11 10:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Makes no difference to me. May as well keep the status quo.

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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: drawde] * 1
    #588156 - 09/23/11 09:34 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Because marijuana has no deaths associated with it (other than that one dumbass who tried to play hackie-sac with a tarantula), and tobacco has over 400,000 annual deaths associated with it.

Although as a debater i always ask the other person what they beleive and why and deconstruct their opinion from their. If they think it's dengerous i tell them about the deaths associated with tobacco, alcohol, driving, and over the counter medication.

If they think it's a gateway drug i tell them scientifically that has been disproved, and yet again also reference cigarettes and alcohol; if anything is a gateway drug those are, the only reason it would actually functionally work as a gateway drug is because you happen to be introduced to criminals that sell drugs when you buy marijuana.

If they say because they don't want to give gangs money (this is more for the people in the war on drugs that say drugs fund terrorism [which heroin does]) I tell them how prohibition works and reference the prohibition of alcohol and how great that worked.

The number of angles you can go at with this argument is great, and the effectiveness of them depends on the kind of people you are talking to.



Plus it is a human rights issue, and if somebody tried to talk about crack/meff/heroin I just tell them those don't count because those have deaths associated with them and very little medical value. Humans have a right to do what they want as long as it harms no other. That is my fundamental belief. This may in fact mean banning smoking from public places so that you can get the super health nuts off your back, because yes second hand smoke can and will kill, but it's required if you want to advocate it on grounds of safety.

I myself don't smoke tobacco because i don't like it's negative health effects, nor do i think it tastes good at all. I also don't see why i would smoke something that doesn't get me high, if i burn something to inhale it better get me high as balls. Otherwise i find it completely worthless and I have no reason use it.





And for the people that are just stubborn and refuse to accept reason I list the points in the argument I've won that they have no argument against and tell them if they don't believe me they are a close minded dumb-shit.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #588212 - 09/23/11 01:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

drawde said:
Makes no difference to me. May as well keep the status quo.

:smirk:




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Thebooedocksaint said:
Because marijuana has no deaths associated with it (other than that one dumbass who tried to play hackie-sac with a tarantula), and tobacco has over 400,000 annual deaths associated with it.

Although as a debater i always ask the other person what they beleive and why and deconstruct their opinion from their. If they think it's dengerous i tell them about the deaths associated with tobacco, alcohol, driving, and over the counter medication.

If they think it's a gateway drug i tell them scientifically that has been disproved, and yet again also reference cigarettes and alcohol; if anything is a gateway drug those are, the only reason it would actually functionally work as a gateway drug is because you happen to be introduced to criminals that sell drugs when you buy marijuana.

If they say because they don't want to give gangs money (this is more for the people in the war on drugs that say drugs fund terrorism [which heroin does]) I tell them how prohibition works and reference the prohibition of alcohol and how great that worked.

The number of angles you can go at with this argument is great, and the effectiveness of them depends on the kind of people you are talking to.



Plus it is a human rights issue, and if somebody tried to talk about crack/meff/heroin I just tell them those don't count because those have deaths associated with them and very little medical value. Humans have a right to do what they want as long as it harms no other. That is my fundamental belief. This may in fact mean banning smoking from public places so that you can get the super health nuts off your back, because yes second hand smoke can and will kill, but it's required if you want to advocate it on grounds of safety.

I myself don't smoke tobacco because i don't like it's negative health effects, nor do i think it tastes good at all. I also don't see why i would smoke something that doesn't get me high, if i burn something to inhale it better get me high as balls. Otherwise i find it completely worthless and I have no reason use it.





And for the people that are just stubborn and refuse to accept reason I list the points in the argument I've won that they have no argument against and tell them if they don't believe me they are a close minded dumb-shit.




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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #588225 - 09/23/11 02:53 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Thats not my actual feeling, but what I have unfortunately seen as the most common public opinion. Seems to me that apathy can be a larger obstacle than ignorance.


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Re: why should marijuana be legal? [Re: iStoner]
    #588266 - 09/23/11 07:13 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

The cannabis plant is amazing and has so much to offer man in so many different ways. Big pharma, the oil, alchohol, and drug companies would loose profit and they help to keep it illegal.


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