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selective cloning
    #577917 - 08/12/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

woke up thinking about this

ive noticed a few times with outdoor, and more recently with indoor

that if growing from questionable seed, and taking clones, you stand a risk of cloning herm. and your original seed parent being herm

but also, if cloning a little late (induce flowering to show parent sex) and taking bottom clones, selectively. or taking clones only from branches showing no herm

you can stay away from the herm parts of the plant
and clone something that will grow female.

maybe an occasional hermy flower, but ive just had to stay ready for them at all times.
i know it doesnt seem worth it, but if the strain is worth it, its worth it to me i guess

ive found doing the 'not written in stone' tricks to increase female hormones, or returning the clone to nature really increases the rate of female plants from a clone of a plant that had hermied before(this could be due to genetics, or stress caused by whatever, right?)

my real question is, could a clone taken from a plant who has shown obvious herm
but selectively cloned away from that activity
be grown out
cloned out
flower parent (if 100% fem for entire flower)
could all the clones from her be flowered then in confidence they wont herm, that they will be true female
by this time?
and if flowered in non stressful conditions
for the sake of things, flowering exactly the same as the parent plant was just flowered and showed no herm...

or would it have to be watch like a hawk like have been doing since deciding to let a hermi's genetics carry on?
and for generations after?


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Re: selective cloning [Re: just me]
    #577928 - 08/12/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My guess, (and it's just that, since I don't have much experience with growing) is that it would hermie if it got stressed but otherwise be fine, that is still too much of a risk IMO.


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Re: selective cloning [Re: just me]
    #577953 - 08/12/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cloning a hermi plant, will give you hermi clones, it's just part of their DNA.
Now if the plant hermi from some sort of stress, then one may be able to avoid hermi it again by avioding the stress, but the plant will still have risk of hermi, so watching it like a hawk would be wise.


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Re: selective cloning [Re: Stoneth]
    #578022 - 08/12/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

would the clone have more risk to herm
than the original parent
if the original parent were only herm due to stress

and if the stress was removed from the situation, do the clones now bear some genetic rewrite making them hermies

given the original parent was actually female and hermied due to stress


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Re: selective cloning [Re: just me]
    #578045 - 08/13/11 06:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

imo it's not worth your time man.  I had a plant hermie out door last summer. Everyone here told me to chop it. instead i trimmed the brach that hermied.  After tending her all summer...she grew huge....and then hermied again. Complete waste of time on my part. This was just the plant and not it's conditions though.

Not exactly your situation...just thought i'd throw it out there.


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Re: selective cloning [Re: Farmer Joe]
    #578062 - 08/13/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

thank you


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Re: selective cloning [Re: just me]
    #578067 - 08/13/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

IMO hermies, and plants that turn hermie easily, just need to culled and put to rest.  It's not a desirable trait.


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Re: selective cloning [Re: coda]
    #578095 - 08/13/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think the straight answer here is you can NOT clone out the hermie trait.  It's in the genetics of the plant.  A clone is an exact duplicate of the plant is came off of so therefore would have all the hermie attributes you are trying to stay away from.

Like Coda said.  Kill em. 

Order some seeds from a reputable supplier or obtain clones from someone you know.


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Re: selective cloning [Re: coda]
    #578111 - 08/13/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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coda said:
IMO hermies, and plants that turn hermie easily, just need to culled and put to rest.  It's not a desirable trait.




ok :sad:

im not gonna kill the clones yet, im just not flowering :lol:

its strange though, right? that certain areas, or sides, or branches of a plant wont show herm

and when cloning from them, you can get lucky with no herm from those clones

i dont know why you couldnt isolate it somehow...


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