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    #518508 - 01/24/11 09:52 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Check out my Mitragyna speciosa--Kratom Plant!  It's a red-veined Thailand strain.  The bottom 2 nodes is all it had when I got it... now it has 3 additional nodes w/ another on the way!  Also my venus fly trap... the stalk is shooting up in the middle about to go into it's flowering stage.


As soon as I got it I potted it w/ this.


I have a 2qt bottle that I fill w/ regular tap water and put 14 drops of the Schultz and shake.  I keep it really hydrated, watering it once sometimes twice daily (depending on ambient temp. Cooler temp.'s once and warmer temp.'s twice/day) until I see a little water pool in the collecting tray under the pot.  A couple times a week I won't water it for a day sometimes two (again depending on ambient temp.  Warmer temp's one and cooler temp.'s two days).  I do this to prevent root rot.


This is how I have mine setup (as a matter of fact, there are many days, sometimes in a row, that I forget to turn it off b/c I pass out watching tv.  I got the whole fixture and bulb for $15 at my local landscaping/nursery store.  I've used it for so many plants and it hasn't let me down yet.  I have to keep mine indoors (my room) b/c I'm up here in NY and the outdoor temp.'s are starting to drop really fast.


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This is from when I just got my Rifat!!!! It's the one on the left, the one on the right is my red-veined Thai.


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Red-vein Thai


Rifat


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Rifat


Oh, BTW, I've actually switched it up to this stuff...

...b/c Kratom loves Humus!!!

:grin:  I got my first cutting (RVT) in Aug. '10 and the Rifat the following month.  I'll keep updating this thread w/ new pics.  I'm getting a bumblebee strain soon!  :grin:


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 2
    #518513 - 01/24/11 09:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome man, keep us updated :awesomenod:


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: T-Rex] * 1
    #518633 - 01/25/11 02:09 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

For sure!  :super:


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 3
    #525735 - 02/10/11 12:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)


A Brief History of Kratom


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 1
    #525737 - 02/10/11 12:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting, I'll be peeking at this...

Never tried the stuff though, How do you like it?


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk] * 1
    #525883 - 02/10/11 06:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I fucking love it!!!  :heartpump:


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 1
    #526237 - 02/11/11 07:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I just ordered some powder, im interested in seeing how it is. How long does it take to grow and what not? Seems expensive to buy, like 10 bucks an ounce and considering you take like 14g or something to get feelin good.


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    #526358 - 02/12/11 01:30 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Once you get it started/established it takes off and grows pretty aggressively, given that you give it the light, moisture, and temp it needs.  Yeah it's kinda pricey, but to me it's worth it.  You'll find out for yourself soon.  Although, it does effect everyone differently and also depends on the quality and strain that you get from your vendor.  You can use the powder to make tea, but I personally prefer to toss n wash.  Take a scoop and wash it down w/ grapefruit or orange juice.  The acidity helps w/ the absorption and the juice helps you out w/ the taste b/c it's not pleasant.  lol


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 1
    #526560 - 02/12/11 12:41 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, ill have to look around for some plants if i like it. I ordered from I am shaman. so we'll see! Thanks


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: Shroomofdoom] * 1
    #526642 - 02/12/11 05:39 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Come spring time I'll have cuttings available for trade.  I've never ordered from them so I can't say how it is.  :shrug:  But I hope it's good and that you enjoy it.  Be sure to post your opinions.


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 1
    #526690 - 02/12/11 08:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Ya, ive seen a couple of search posts about Kratom where people have suggest I am shaman. So I gave them a try. Should be here monday or tuesday. If I like it id be for sure interested in a cutting. Don't have alotta stuff to trade but maybe we can work something out. Ill post when I give it a try.


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: Shroomofdoom] * 1
    #526876 - 02/13/11 04:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 1
    #528301 - 02/17/11 07:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Welp got my Kratom. I like it, but I think I took too much for my first go. took 14g of dried leafs and just chugged it down in some water. Hit me pretty strong, definitely felt like a Vicodin high. The come down was really nice just went away with no headache or anything. Gunna try a smaller dose next time though. Not bad for a legal substance! :thumbup:


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: Shroomofdoom] * 1
    #528360 - 02/18/11 12:42 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

EXACTLY!!! :super:


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    #528361 - 02/18/11 12:44 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a quick breakdown of some the different types of kratom available and their effects.

Bali - Most kratom sold is leaf from plantations in Bali. This kratom has a good range of alkaloids and is more sedating/relaxing than it is stimulating. Quite a few people find that it makes them more nauseous than other types of kratom, and others report that it can cause headaches. Almost all kratom extracts are extracted from Bali leaf, as it's one of the cheapest. The leaf can be bought destemmed and deveined - this is less likely to cause nausea or other unpleasant side effects. Some vendors sell the left-over stem and vein very cheaply... this is a good source for making one's own extracts, for those who fancy having a go at making resins, etc.

Thai - This is more stimulating than Bali kratom, because it contains lower levels of some alkaloids. Consequently it tends to be less strong than Bali. An exotic strain 'red vein' is considered to be the most stimulating kratom.

Indo - Kratom from other areas of Indonesia is usually called Indo, to distinguish it from Bali kratom. It tends to be a little bit more stimulating than Bali, but not a whole lot. It's generally considered to have lesser negative side effects than Bali kratom.

Malaysian - This kratom is stimulating, like Thai, but has a fuller effect, it usually seems a bit stronger than Thai.

Extracts - almost all are made from Bali kratom. Extracts seem to be lacking some of the more stimulating effects of leaf, and most kratom connoisseurs prefer leaf, or very high-end, expensive, extracts.

Blends - These are mixtures of leaf combined with extract, to give the best of both worlds, the strength of extract combined with the full-spectrum effect of leaf. The best are VERY good.

Finally, the most cost-effective way to use kratom is by ingestion. The finer the powder used, the more immediate and pronounced are the effects. But micro-fine powders lose their potency a lot faster than crushed or whole leaf, so it's a good idea to only grind kratom to micro-fine powder shortly before use. A good quality coffee grinder with a sharp blade should be capable of grinding kratom to micro-fine - grind it in short bursts to avoid over-heating the kratom. Kratom tastes like ass, so capsules are a convenient way to take it, or it can be taken in suspension in liquid (bitter drinks mask the taste well), or by a technique known as toss'n'wash.

Kratom tea is popular with some, and when properly made (a time-consuming and smelly process) it tastes totally vile, almost as vile as breadseed pod tea, and the heating seems to kill off most of the more stimulating effects, so tea is generally more sedating in effect, and a bit pointless with some types of kratom like red-vein Thai. I will never drink kratom tea, ever, again, ingestion works so much better for me.

Finding the dosage sweet-spot is the trick... too much kratom means nausea and maybe headaches, too little is a waste. Lower doses are more stimulating, higher dosages are more sedating. It is almost impossible to overdose on kratom, but please don't try it, it WILL make you incredibly ill for a few hours (but not in any mortal danger)! Drinking grapefruit juice (whole juice, not grapefruit 'drinks') about 20 minutes before ingesting kratom increases its potency noticeably.

Kratom can be addictive, especially at higher dosage levels. It's not so much of a problem at the stimulant dosage level. I use kratom almost every morning in low dosage (4-5 grams of leaf) and I have never had so much as a twinge from it... I take the occasional week off it just to be sure. But I have read some fairly harrowing accounts by heavy users of their withdrawals. Kratom is generally considered to be fairly easy to taper off, unlike some other addictive substances. The pharmacology of kratom is extremely complex and fascinating, it's well worth checking out.


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO] * 1
    #528470 - 02/18/11 06:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the breakdown! 5+ from me

Im looking into capsules, I just took the fine powder i got and mixed it with some water and boy it isnt pleasent. Took 7 grams today and it was nice, could of used a little more to give me a good buzz but it wasnt bad. Im for sure interested in cuttings.


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    #528581 - 02/18/11 11:39 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Wow. Thanks for the info


I'll keep watching for the cuttings.


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: King Koopa] * 1
    #528589 - 02/18/11 11:47 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

No problem guys!  I'll keep you posted about the cuttings.  FYI I do the toss'n'wash method.  Take a couple of scoops in my mouth and wash it down w/ pomegranate grapefruit juice!  Try that, I guarantee you'll like it!  :super:


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    #528591 - 02/18/11 11:49 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

So are you using your plant now, or an extract?


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    #528595 - 02/18/11 11:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Well extracts are expensive so I only get them once in a while or whenever they're on sale b/c they're awesome.  I regularly use Bali (which is the cheapest), red vein Indo, and super Indo.  I never order the same strain back to back.  I switch it up b/c each one has a different feel and don't want to get "used" to a particular one.
Yeah, I do use the leaves from my plant, I brew them in a tea.  The cool thing about Kratom plants is that at every node where there was a leaf that dropped off (which happens regularly and is normal) new leaves or branches will grow back in its place.  So for one that is harvesting the leaves, this is a godsend.  However, my leaves aren't that strong yet.  They get stronger and have a higher alkaloid content the older the tree gets.


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    #528598 - 02/19/11 12:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That's awesome. Sounds like a cool plant to have around:lol:


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    #528606 - 02/19/11 12:14 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That's an understatement!  :awebigvaped:


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    #528733 - 02/19/11 02:25 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Where do you order your Kratom from. I used I am shaman but took awhile for shipping.


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    #529082 - 02/20/11 12:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I'll PM you b/c they're not a sponsor.


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    #531682 - 03/01/11 12:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

kratom is the shit.

i can get it at this place in north austin and they have a few different kinds.

a friend of mine showed me that you can just eat the powder if you can handle it.

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    #542776 - 04/03/11 04:05 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I finally started my cuttings...



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    #561389 - 06/02/11 09:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice!  :cookiemonster:

Iv'e been wanting one for a while now. How are they doing now?


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    #561398 - 06/02/11 09:32 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

What's up scooby!  Unfortunately they died.  :sad:  I just repotted the mother and put her outside and she's already giving my 3 new shoots of growth.. so I'll be attempting it again very soon!  :wink:


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    #561402 - 06/02/11 09:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Thats sucks, At least mama's doin good. :rockon: Let me know how the new ones do and maybe I can wheel and deal one from ya.

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    #561410 - 06/02/11 09:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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    #561966 - 06/04/11 09:20 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Nice conversion table for those of us who don't have a scale...

Please keep in mind that these are rough averages on LEVEL tablespoons and teaspoons.  No heaping allowed!

Generic Amounts
1 gram = 0.035 ounces
50 grams = 1.75 ounces
100 grams = 3.5 ounces

Premium Commercial Powder
1 Tablespoon = 6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon = 1.9 grams

Maeng Da Powder
1 Tablespoon = 7 grams
1 Teaspoon = 2.6 grams

Maeng Da Leaf
1 Tablespoon = 2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon = .9 grams

Maeng Da Powder
1 Tablespoon = 7 grams
1 Teaspoon = 2.6 grams

Green Malay Powder
1 Tablespoon = 6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon = 2.4 grams

Executive Extract
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1 Teaspoon = 2.3 grams


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #562197 - 06/05/11 01:53 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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A Brief History of Kratom




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    #568016 - 06/28/11 11:20 AM (9 years, 10 days ago)

I just ordered a plant, Do you just take leafs off and eat them? or do you have to dry em or something?


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    #568374 - 06/29/11 11:04 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)

posting in here so i can come back to it later.

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    #570863 - 07/09/11 01:45 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I just ordered a plant, Do you just take leafs off and eat them? or do you have to dry em or something?



My bad, for some reason I'm not getting the email notifications or else I would've answered you sooner.  The natives in SE Asia do that, I've never done that... I make a tea w/ them once I get a good amount (fresh and/or dried).  However, the leaves won't start to get really potent until they're about 10 years old.  The stuff we buy from vendors come from trees that are a minimum of 10 years old.


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    #584546 - 09/08/11 02:15 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)
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From Christian Rasch's book!

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Ok folks, I saw this and I just had to share it... so I made it into a PDF!  :laugh:
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    #584635 - 09/08/11 03:29 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome thread bro.  I hope me and mad can aquire one of these from you.  Im dieing to grow these out.  Kratom is awesome.  Ive only done it a few times but loved it


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    #584672 - 09/08/11 07:57 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I'm still trying to successfully root a damn cutting.  Once I learn that, there will be plenty to be had.


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Yeah, I'm still trying to successfully root a damn cutting.  Once I learn that, there will be plenty to be had.



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    #585209 - 09/10/11 05:01 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

RVT






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    #588716 - 09/25/11 05:02 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Gotta love rain storms b/c they leave nice presents behind!....



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Kratom cultivation!


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    #597434 - 11/18/11 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Got Kratom???




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    #597435 - 11/18/11 12:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

KRATOM LEMON TEK W/ LEAVES FROM MY PLANTS!










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    #597527 - 11/19/11 07:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #598095 - 11/22/11 09:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How did the lemon tek work?I know they arent potent till they are many years old


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    #598550 - 11/26/11 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It was actually very good!  I normally can drink all of it when I make regular tea w/ my leaves, but I was only able to drink half of the total amount when I lemon tek'ed it.  :super:


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    #601225 - 12/13/11 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey man,you got skills:thumbup:


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    #601244 - 12/13/11 12:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I love kratom

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    #601271 - 12/13/11 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey man,you got skills:thumbup:



:hatsoff:  Thanks buddy!

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I love kratom

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    #610981 - 02/28/12 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

they are gonna bann kratom?!?

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    #610982 - 02/28/12 09:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This one dude is trying to  :kingcrankey:


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    #610985 - 02/28/12 10:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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PEARL RIVER, La. - A Northshore lawmaker is warning parents to be on the look out for an over-the-counter herbal remedy called "Kratom."
The manufacturer of the product claims the herb "reliably and quickly relieves all kinds of acute and chronic pain."
But, the packaging on the sample bought at a local store clearly warned customers Kratom is not for human consumption.
Metairie addiction specialist Dr. Ken Roy says people should heed the warning because the product is dangerous, unpredictable and has properties similar to opiate narcotics.
"When you use a small amount of it, it is sometimes described as a stimulant," said Roy. "When you use a large amount of it sometimes is more sedating."
Senator A.G. Crowe, R-Pearl River says Kratom is just as harmful as other over-the-counter herbs such mojo, spice marijuana and bath salts.
The state legislature recently banned those products in Louisiana.
Crowe pre-filed a bill that would add Kratom to the list of controlled dangerous substances.
"I think that what you're seeing here is a pattern that's been developed over some time now where the target market is young kids that don't know better, don't have any idea how bad this stuff can be," said Crowe.
Dr. Roy says in southeast Asia Kratom is a low level, but insidious kind of problem.
"It propitiates an orientation towards mood altering behavior especially in this case with substances that may or may not cause really serious and dangerous and sometimes permanent disability."
A website for the product claims there are no serious risks, dangers or side effects from infrequent use of low doses of Kratom.
But, the manufacturer also warns if you take too much, you could suffer hallucinations, delusions, nausea and other health problems.
"We're trying to be as proactive as we can to get this information out there well before it catches on," said Crowe.
Senator Crowe says since the legislature voted overwhelmingly to outlaw forms of synthetic marijuana, he expects lawmakers will ban Kratom as well.







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Kratom is as insidious and as dangerous as coffee is. Anyone attempting to compare Kratom to various drugs or claim that Kratom has a lot of side effects or is somehow addictive know nothing about the Plant.

Kratom is a tree. It has been used medicinally for thousands of years and thousands of people use it today for medical issues including pain, depression, anxiety, etc. It is a miracle cure for many people. The only side effects most people get is a little nausea if they eat too much. That is all.

This whole article is nothing more than fear-tactics and propaganda. 100%.

Our govt. is trying to rob us of yet ANOTHER natural substance to make us rely 100% on artificial and dangerous pharmaceuticals.

This can't be allowed.




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    #610990 - 02/28/12 11:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I read that... and it's so true. 


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    #611057 - 02/29/12 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Update 2-29: We have just learned from the senators office that this proposal has been dropped. In stead the senator will make a new proposal to add an age limit for kratom at 18 years. We respect this. Thanks everyone for your help and support.


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    #612271 - 03/10/12 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The governor of Indiana has lumped kratom together with the highly dangerous "synthetics" which have been in the news lately, and is attempting to ban them all with Indiana House Bill #1196.  Here's an online petition to have kratom removed from the bill:

http://www.change.org/petitions/remove-mitragynine-7-hydroxymitragynine-from-indiana-s-hb-1196-save-kratom-from-prohibition

I believe the bill has passed House and Senate and is now back in the governor's hands for approval, so time is short.  It looks like the outrage of the kratom community worked in Louisiana - stand up and come to the aid of Indiana, or your state may well be next - once the avalanche starts it's just going to get bigger.





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    #612331 - 03/11/12 12:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #612902 - 03/16/12 11:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Unfortunate update.....

Governor Signs House Bill 1196 Into Law

It appears that despite our efforts, Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine will be submitted into legal procedures along with the other chemicals of this bill. This isn't what we wanted, but we cannot stop here. We must keep active in our rights and stay marching in the Kratom movement. We want you to stay earnest with what your state legislature is doing and keep up with further legal actions against the Kratom plant or its alkaloids.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is only over if we become passive. For Kratom users everywhere, we must move forward.

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    #614142 - 03/23/12 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just got my Rifat in the mail, hopefully soon i can get some more strains i love this plant


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    #616185 - 04/04/12 01:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Can someone please tell me what kids are being targeted/marketed to inside a porn shop?!?!?!??!
http://whotv.com/2012/03/22/new-drug-kratom-hits-iowa/


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Just got my Rifat in the mail, hopefully soon i can get some more strains i love this plant



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    #618258 - 04/14/12 10:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i take kratom 1-4 times a week.


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i take kratom 1-4 times a week.


Its an amazing plant once you get to know her:hi5:




sorry to bump but I want this thread for reference and I need to tell you CAREFUL Kratom can turn your cheeks red and has a cross tolerance with other opiates/opiods,

Kratom is a good anti inflammatory and source of anti oxidants though :super:

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    #628934 - 06/22/12 10:09 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Yeah, it takes quite a bit of it for me to feel anything.  But that's because I eat a lot of opiates.


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i take kratom 1-4 times a week.


Its an amazing plant once you get to know her:hi5:




sorry to bump but I want this thread for reference and I need to tell you CAREFUL Kratom can turn your cheeks red and has a cross tolerance with other opiates/opiods,

Kratom is a good anti inflammatory and source of anti oxidants though :super:

Kareful with Kratom, she is seductive,



lol  hmmm you might be right about the cheeks, mine have been red as of late but don't know if I can attribute it entirely to kratom b/c that happens when I exert myself, out in the sun, or even take a hot shower.

It also lowers blood pressure.  :wink:

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Yeah, it takes quite a bit of it for me to feel anything.  But that's because I eat a lot of opiates.





Could you PM me about your tolerance issues?  I occasionaly use opiates and for the last 6 months or so almost on a biweekly basis.  I've been experimenting with opiods/opiates for 6 yeahs...  I'm curious as to how you manage the permatolerance


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Btw what is an RVT?


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Red Vein Thai.


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    #645770 - 11/13/12 04:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Would love to see an update!

Got any tips for growin this plant?

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I'll post some updates this summer.

It's pretty easy really, keep it well watered and give it as much humidity as you can and you're good to go.

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My new baby Rifat Kratom plant came in the mail today!!!!!  I got it from World Seed Supply.




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She's been doing great!!!! 




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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #676140 - 06/25/13 07:25 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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She's been doing great!!!! 







Wow dude this is my first time seeing this plant ?:mygoditsfullofstars:
I thought Kratom was just a strain of weed! :facepalm3:
does that get you high like weed?


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #676143 - 06/25/13 07:45 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

:facepalm:


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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.

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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #676151 - 06/25/13 08:26 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: Deadkndys420]
    #676152 - 06/25/13 08:31 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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:facepalm: no it is suppost to be a opiate substitute ,but its a thing all of its own it good stuff:thumbup:


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: itsaconspiracy]
    #676191 - 06/26/13 02:31 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

I know now thanks. Now were do i get the gear to try and grow that! I mean I could grow that right outside and no one around here would know what it is!!


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #676209 - 06/26/13 11:37 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Nice man I really got to get a cutting n start growing it too cuz I love this plant but I'm sick of buying it.


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #676210 - 06/26/13 11:37 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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I know now thanks. Now were do i get the gear to try and grow that! I mean I could grow that right outside and no one around here would know what it is!!



I got this one from World seed supply.  http://www.kratomcollection.com/item/live-plants/kratom-one-live-plant/lid=29696492


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #676225 - 06/26/13 01:05 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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I know now thanks. Now were do i get the gear to try and grow that! I mean I could grow that right outside and no one around here would know what it is!!



I got this one from World seed supply.  http://www.kratomcollection.com/item/live-plants/kratom-one-live-plant/lid=29696492




Thanks bro Im going to try growing that :stayfunky:


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #686780 - 09/29/13 04:22 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)



Even George Dubya likes gettin' dirty with kratom


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Re: Kratom Indoors [Re: bikewrench]
    #686781 - 09/29/13 04:25 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

lol  You got that from Bikhuk's FB page!!!  I lol'ed when I saw that.


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