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OfflineJrsxt

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Plant #1
    #49417 - 06/03/08 12:29 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This is the first plant I started. It is bagseed. I'm not sure if its mids or heads. Some seeds got switched around. I have 3 other sour diesel plants as well. I'll post pictures of them in a second. I was just wondering how the plant looked and if you had any suggestions. I don't know when im supposed to prune it or anything. I just have it on the counter under lights right now. I got everything I needed to build a box with CFL's tonight. It will be built tomorrow. I'll use them until I can get the hps/mh setup I found.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49491 - 06/03/08 01:30 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Looks ok, try and keep the light closer, you can have fluros an inch away from the top.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49496 - 06/03/08 01:32 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

what kinda lights is it under?

it looks like youre stretchin the hell out of it.

with CFL or any flouros for that matter you can have you plants nearly touching the the lights.

if youre using regualr incandescents, STOP and get the cfls on it asap. lower them. and work on getting that plant beefy.

it looks like you have a stick holding it up right now.

you gotta think man, if the stalk is wimpy how will it drink, how will it hold buds, how will it be strong enough for anything....

ull never see a weed in the wild like that. it would snap at the first breeze.

if you can get a light fan in the growroom with it, you might be able to strengthen it a little!

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Re: Plant #1 [Re: just me]
    #49609 - 06/03/08 03:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

try oyster shell I think it is, it has a lot of calcium, which should strengthen that plant a little bit, good luck!


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Iamasmoker]
    #49624 - 06/03/08 04:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Soluble silica is what's needed for stronger, thicker stems and it's missing from most nutrients and fertilizers. It's quite cheap and available online or from any hydroponics store.

Soluble silica is very alkaline and should be added to water and PH balanced BEFORE adding nutes.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Hanky]
    #49661 - 06/03/08 08:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It doesn't have a stick holding it up. It's decently strong now. The other 3 aren't yet. Those are under two really shitty small flourescent tubes. They will be under cfl's today. I am going to have the lights almost touching the plants. How far is that plant away from flowering?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49669 - 06/03/08 08:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ultimately its up to you when you wish to induce flowering, but if you're growing from seed its best to wait until they show maturity, usually around a month of vegetative growth (which can be determined by when the plant's nodes begin alternating). How long has it been growing?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49678 - 06/03/08 09:05 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

About a month and a half..maybe two months. I've got about 4 sets of alternating nodes.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49686 - 06/03/08 09:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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How far is that plant away from flowering?




It won't flower until you reduce the light to 12 hours a day.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Hanky]
    #49688 - 06/03/08 09:32 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I mean when would be the best time to induce it? I figure it's going to get a little bigger after I get this box finished and get the CFL's on it.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49697 - 06/03/08 09:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Let it get to ten or twelve nodes, it should show preflowers by then. After it shows sex you can tie it down horizontally and flower it so don't worry about it getting too high in the mean time.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49698 - 06/03/08 09:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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About a month and a half..maybe two months. I've got about 4 sets of alternating nodes.




the plant in that picture isn't showing alternating nodes though.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: coda]
    #49701 - 06/03/08 09:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Jrsxt said:
About a month and a half..maybe two months. I've got about 4 sets of alternating nodes.




the plant in that picture isn't showing alternating nodes though.




Very true.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Hanky]
    #49737 - 06/03/08 10:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What are the alternating nodes? Just where they change direction as it goes up?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49797 - 06/03/08 12:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

look at your plants and notice how the stems of the fan leaves are in perfect alignment? When your plants begin to alternate nodes the nodes won't line up like they are now.



here's a good example, notice at the top of the plant near the main stem you can see the gap between nodes? That's what alternating phyllotaxy looks like, once you see it for the first time you'll never miss it again.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: coda]
    #49804 - 06/03/08 01:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

They do this when the plant starts flowering, don't they?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Annom]
    #49854 - 06/03/08 03:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I just got my box built. I broke the saw so I have to wait so i can finish cutting the door out. I have 4 100watt replacement CFL's in there. Each light is about 1600 lumens each. How many should I run until I can get my hps/mh setup?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49870 - 06/03/08 03:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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They do this when the plant starts flowering, don't they?




They do this when they become sexually mature. It can happen in veg as long as you leave them there. It took me about 4-6 weeks until maturity every time i grew from seed. So, if you flower them before they're mature, they'll show sex and alternating nodes in flowering once they're ready.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #49896 - 06/03/08 04:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I just got my box built. I broke the saw so I have to wait so i can finish cutting the door out. I have 4 100watt replacement CFL's in there. Each light is about 1600 lumens each. How many should I run until I can get my hps/mh setup?




What's the dimensions of your box? Its usually best to refer to the CFL's by their true wattage and not the incandescent wattage they are replacing, but I'm assuming they are around 20 watts by the lumens they are producing.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Sirius]
    #49903 - 06/03/08 04:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

23watts, I think. The box is around 4 foot tall and about 2 foot by 2 foot, give or take a few inches.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #50563 - 06/04/08 09:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What kind of fan should I use to cool this down a little? the 4 cfl's shouldn't heat it up too much. I was thinking about drilling a hole in each side and putting a piece of PVC through it and a computer fan attached to one side. Where can i get the shit to wire one up?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #50564 - 06/04/08 09:38 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Do you know what the cfm (cubic feet per minute) rating is on the computer fan? I don't know yet what the average is for computer fans (search more later when I have time), but you're probably going to want a total of 48cfm. That should provide ample airflow for your plants, and I'd imagine temperature wouldn't be a concern either. :wink:


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #50568 - 06/04/08 10:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I don't think temperature should be too much of a concern. I have my CFL's hanging down and they will be right above the plants, so a little would be needed. I am going to put sheetmetal above the lights to reflect some of it back down on the plants. I am going to line the whole box with foil or mylar. Or I might paint it white. I'm trying to get everything done so I can get the plants in it. I just got 4 more plants from a friend. Purp and lemon skunk.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #50581 - 06/04/08 11:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think if you put a couple of computer fans in it should be enough, I think they typically have a cfm of 15-30 from what I've seen searching through Google Shopping. Even if heat isn't a concern it will be necessary. Painting it white would be fine, mylar as well, but I wouldn't put up tin foil. :wink:


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Sirius]
    #50582 - 06/04/08 11:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What would be better? Mylar or painting it white?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #50595 - 06/04/08 12:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

both are adequate but paint might be easier (and cheaper) to obtain.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: coda]
    #50596 - 06/04/08 12:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've got spray paint. I should have taken the pieces outside and spray painted them first. The box is put together and hidden. I'll just have to go get a paint brush and a cheap thing of white paint.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #50602 - 06/04/08 12:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

make sure to get flat white paint.


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Jrsxt]
    #50611 - 06/04/08 12:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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What would be better? Mylar or painting it white?




I can't remember precisely, but essentially mylar is around 95% reflective whereas a white flat surface is around 85% reflective, so there really isn't that much difference. The reason why tin foil shouldn't be used is because it will crease and reflect light at oblique angles, and mylar will do this to a much lesser extent as well.

If you can get mylar at a good price, go with that, but there's nothing wrong with white paint. :wink:


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Sirius]
    #50619 - 06/04/08 12:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What's the problem with oblique angles in tin foil?


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Annom]
    #50620 - 06/04/08 01:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think the problem is that it could cause hot-spots, the fact that it will get wrinkles makes it reflect light unevenly, stuff like that...


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Re: Plant #1 [Re: Sirius]
    #54271 - 06/09/08 07:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

flat white

more light :P


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