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 Mr. Hands
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 Prop 19 
#490272 - 10/21/10 11:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some questions for you:
1. What does a pound of dank cost in Northern California right now?
2. What does a pound of dank cost in Southern California right now?
3. If Prop 19 is passed, what will a pound of dank cost?
4. How is California (or the Feds) going to try stop all of the interstate smuggling that will inevitably emanate from California if Prop 19 is passed?
5. Will the Feds fight California (withhold highway funds, etc..)? If so, what will they do and how drastic will it be?
6. Are the medical dispensaries going to go out of business?
7. Are the cartels who grow in the national forests going to stop doing so?
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 niteowl
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Mr. Hands]
#490281 - 10/21/10 11:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mr. Hands said:
Some questions for you:
1. What does a pound of dank cost in Northern California right now?
2. What does a pound of dank cost in Southern California right now?
3. If Prop 19 is passed, what will a pound of dank cost?
Doesn't matter.
Prices will be forced to go down once a free weed market is established.
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4. How is California (or the Feds) going to try stop all of the interstate smuggling that will inevitably emanate from California if Prop 19 is passed?
5. Will the Feds fight California (withhold highway funds, etc..)? If so, what will they do and how drastic will it be?
If Cali legalizes weed it will have a snowball effect with other states doing the same thing. The Federal government is going to be forced into accepting legal weed, or be threaten with civil war. There is simply too much money to be made from legal weed
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6. Are the medical dispensaries going to go out of business?
I seriously doubt it. Their numbers may get reduced, but they will still be there.
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7. Are the cartels who grow in the national forests going to stop doing so?
Depends on who has been buying that weed.
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Mr. Hands
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: niteowl]
#492733 - 10/28/10 01:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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niteowl said:
Prices will be forced to go down once a free weed market is established.
But, to what? Will a pound of dank go down to $2000 a pound? $1000 a pound? And how will the state of California enforce taxation? I am genuinely interested in the market forces behind it and how it will all play out.
niteowl said:
If Cali legalizes weed it will have a snowball effect with other states doing the same thing. The Federal government is going to be forced into accepting legal weed, or be threaten with civil war. There is simply too much money to be made from legal weed
It might have an eventual snowball effect. But, what about initially? Will the Feds fight this in court or by withholding funds? And, if the Feds can't fight it in court or with funding threats, what will they do? Will they continue to bust businesses that have pot on the premises? Or will it be so overwhelming that they won't even bother? Or will they only bother with massive commercial ops (like the proposed Oakland greenhouse)?
niteowl said:
I seriously doubt it (medical dispensaries going out of business). Their numbers may get reduced, but they will still be there.
How will they compete with people growing their own and it being sold in stores?
I'm actually shocked nobody is discussing this stuff. All I see is stoners going, "Woo! I'm going to Cali!".
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Magash
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Mr. Hands]
#492747 - 10/28/10 04:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. 2 to 4 grand
2. Depends, more then in Nor Cal though.
3. Around 1000 but it's gonna take a bit to get there.
4. Same way they are now. They won't change a thing.
5. Yes they will but how bad things will get with them only time is gonna tell. They will do something.
6. No, they will just become dispensaries for the 21 and over crowd. Weed will not be in stores until it goes federal.
7. No, there is still a ton of other states to ship it to. Charges for growing on federal land are going to go way up.
It's pretty unlikely that this will pass anyway. Even thought most of the state seems to want to pass it the ones who smoke don't go out and vote. Only 12% of the people that smoke are expected to make it to the voting booth.
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God
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#492748 - 10/28/10 04:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
Only 12% of the people that smoke are expected to make it to the voting booth.
Interesting. Is this supposedly due to apathy, laziness, or ignorance of Prop 19?
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#492822 - 10/28/10 11:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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God said:
Magash said:
Only 12% of the people that smoke are expected to make it to the voting booth.
Interesting. Is this supposedly due to apathy, laziness, or ignorance of Prop 19?
That is discouraging, I hope it passes just so we get a step in the right direction
Arizona has Prop 203 in a couple days for medical marijuana 
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still beLIEve
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#492823 - 10/28/10 11:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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God said:
Magash said:
Only 12% of the people that smoke are expected to make it to the voting booth.
Interesting. Is this supposedly due to apathy, laziness, or ignorance of Prop 19?
i dunno i would think that for smokers, they would want to go out and support it and make it out at any cost.
maybe im underestimating the movement though. i figured it would be a hot topic and everyone would be all gung ho and there would be a sense of working towards a bigger goal and all that
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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Cid_Lives
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still beLIEve said:
God said:
Magash said:
Only 12% of the people that smoke are expected to make it to the voting booth.
Interesting. Is this supposedly due to apathy, laziness, or ignorance of Prop 19?
i dunno i would think that for smokers, they would want to go out and support it and make it out at any cost.
maybe im underestimating the movement though. i figured it would be a hot topic and everyone would be all gung ho and there would be a sense of working towards a bigger goal and all that
I would like to think that there would be a larger turnout of stoners in light of the possibilities. This is a pretty epic possible turn of events.
Magash, where are you getting these percentages from?
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Magash
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Cid_Lives] 1
#492869 - 10/28/10 02:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Magash, where are you getting these percentages from?
Just about every news organization covering the elections in Nov.
Even when Obama was elected only 56% of registered voters voted in that election.
Took forever for the medical weed thing to finally pass. I'm hoping that it motivates people to go out and vote for it and not motivate the people against drugs to vote against it. Remember if it doesn't pass it's gonna slow down the medical weed movement at the same time. The anti weed people will throw the loss of prop 19 up every time something medical comes up for election from that point on.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#492872 - 10/28/10 03:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a gamble for sure, but at least it's on the table.
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THEBats
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#492900 - 10/28/10 05:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
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Magash, where are you getting these percentages from?
Just about every news organization covering the elections in Nov.
Even when Obama was elected only 56% of registered voters voted in that election.
Took forever for the medical weed thing to finally pass. I'm hoping that it motivates people to go out and vote for it and not motivate the people against drugs to vote against it. Remember if it doesn't pass it's gonna slow down the medical weed movement at the same time. The anti weed people will throw the loss of prop 19 up every time something medical comes up for election from that point on.
Depending how they conducted their polls their numbers could be quite distorted.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Picklez]
#492912 - 10/28/10 06:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
Only 12% of the people that smoke are expected to make it to the voting booth.
This may be because they were counting the nation's population and not the states.
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CrayolaHalls
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#492925 - 10/28/10 06:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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God said:
Magash said:
Only 12% of the people that smoke are expected to make it to the voting booth.
Interesting. Is this supposedly due to apathy, laziness, or ignorance of Prop 19?
You would have to be deaf and blind to live in California and not know about Prop 19. The real answer is with apathy, laziness, and similar personal issues with individual voters. This is not unique to cannabis consumers; albeit, it may be more exaggerated within the demographic. Most elections and voting suffer from a lack of participation.
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12% could just be preliminary polling, of which i and everyone i know doesn't care to partake in, but we always go out and vote on election day, especially for something like this. people have waited too long, and it's too important not to.
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NizzyJones
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#493435 - 10/30/10 09:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
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Magash, where are you getting these percentages from?
Just about every news organization covering the elections in Nov.
Even when Obama was elected only 56% of registered voters voted in that election.
Took forever for the medical weed thing to finally pass. I'm hoping that it motivates people to go out and vote for it and not motivate the people against drugs to vote against it. Remember if it doesn't pass it's gonna slow down the medical weed movement at the same time. The anti weed people will throw the loss of prop 19 up every time something medical comes up for election from that point on.
The polls have it running at basically 50/50 support/oppose using their 'likely voters' models. And most of those polls are conducted via landline telephones which have a strong bias toward the over-fifty crowd. One pollster found that by conducting two side-by-side polls, one with real people asking questions and one using automated polling, the poll using automated questioning resulted in about an 8% up-swing in support (to more than a MOE above 50%). The conventional wisdom is that the motivated Republican base would mostly oppose this but there's a strong vein of Libertarianism going around right now especially among moderate fiscal conservatives so there's no real good way to predict which way the right is going to come down on this.
Long story short: I don't think there's any way to predict this accurately and suspect that support is greater than the polls and conventional wisdom would imply.
Edit: Also don't forget there are medical referendums on the ballot in Arizona, South Dakota and Oregon.
Edited by NizzyJones (10/30/10 09:32 AM)
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i saw an ad today against one of the candidates for governor here. She's a former republican DA, so of course she's against pot. it was an ad saying that she'd take away our medical marijuana so we need to keep her out of the office.
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NizzyJones
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Also on the note of Federal supremacy in this area: There's a section of the Controlled Substances Act that may be relevant. I forget where I was reading about it but I've just looked up the citation in the current code and found the ACLU's press release about it.
Title 21 USC Sec. 903:Quote:
No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as indicating
an intent on the part of the Congress to occupy the field in which
that provision operates, including criminal penalties, to the
exclusion of any State law on the same subject matter which would
otherwise be within the authority of the State, unless there is a
positive conflict between that provision of this subchapter and
that State law so that the two cannot consistently stand together.
The ACLU takes the position that if the state law does nothing to require anyone to do anything in violation of federal law there is no positive conflict (only a negative one). The counter-argument would be that since Congress clearly intended to outlaw the commerce in cannabis the state law now allowing its commerce becomes a positive conflict for those regulating that commerce since they might be viewed to have become members of a criminal conspiracy under federal law.
ACLU Press release
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FurrowedBrow
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i think you read that from one of the links that geo posted earlier in this thread, fyi....
geokills said:
A good read on Prop 19's potential conflicts with the federal Controlled Substances Act:
If you have the time and the incination:
https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/489516#489516
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NizzyJones
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I actually just stumbled on that now, but thanks!
After reading the first link: Yeah, pretty much what he said. Allowing cultivation isn't a positive conflict but regulating it might be.
I'm not 100% on California's procedure for implementing referendums that pass but let's just hope that whatever the final language as enacted is allows for severability.
Edit^2: TPM's poll tracker for Prop 19
That's got the oppose vote winning but if you use the filter to throw away the outliers it becomes more or less 50/50.
Edited by NizzyJones (10/30/10 10:30 AM)
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Magash
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I didn't say it had a 12% chance of voting for those that think that is what I said. I said 12% of the people that want it to pass are gonna get off there asses to go out and vote. Other then taking the day off of work to say their gonna vote.
Most likely it will pass but it's not going to be sold in stores by walmart and other big chains like people say it's gonna be. Their simply not stupid enough to do it till it goes federal. Now your small mom and pop stores may take the chance. The price of weed will drop and the price of clones and seeds will rise.
I myself am moving some gardens to areas where seed and clone growing are a little more tolerated. (esp since I plan to shift the majority of the grows to clone production followed by feminized seeds)
How the Feds will handle people when they bust them will most likely be like it is now. Now if you are busted violating federal law and have a medical excuse when you go to federal court your not even allowed to bring up the medical thing.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#493534 - 10/30/10 04:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
6. No, they will just become dispensaries for the 21 and over crowd. Weed will not be in stores until it goes federal.
How old will you have to be to buy legal weed? I mean there are sixteen year old kids with medical cards.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#493840 - 10/31/10 10:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
I didn't say it had a 12% chance of voting for those that think that is what I said. I said 12% of the people that want it to pass are gonna get off there asses to go out and vote. Other then taking the day off of work to say their gonna vote.
I'm aware of that - I never said you did. I'm just trying to say I don't think there's any way to predict this one. The apathy canard aside, we're in agreement. 
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God
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Being voted on tomorrow, right? So I guess we'll soon see what's up.
Anybody here live in CA and going to vote on the morrow?
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#494126 - 11/01/10 06:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope there are a lot of people who are/do. I will be watching these results come in for sure. It may be a late night tomorrow.
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God
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Quote:
Furrowed said:
It may be a late night
Yeah, when are the results expected to be tallied or whatever?
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#494136 - 11/01/10 07:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, if they can do the presidential ones over night, I'm assuming Wednesday. I hope so anyways.
I dunno...Cali might be a little...slow 
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God
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: RasJeph]
#494139 - 11/01/10 07:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I figured they'd have them sometime in the night.
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#494140 - 11/01/10 07:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh yeah, i think we will have the results tomorrow night. unless it's a really close one. could drag out a day or two or a dozen.
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i invented the internet!!!!!
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God
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Actually, that was me.
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niteowl
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#494155 - 11/01/10 08:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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What really pisses me off are all the smokers that are gonna vote against it.
Makes me  
Probably gonna get banned from the Shroomery again too.
I just flamed the fuck outta some people over there
for saying they were gonna vote against it in this thread 
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: niteowl]
#494156 - 11/01/10 08:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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you mean sellers, not smokers?
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God
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Yeah, that's one of the many silly thing about the technicalities of law: the polls are showing it's ~50/50 in support of the bill. But obviously there are people who are against the bill, but want people to be able to buy and smoke weed. They just want to be able to sell for inflated prices.
So greater than 50% of the populace agree that buying and smoking weed is a-okay, but the law may be voted down because people don't want to play fair. 
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niteowl
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FurrowedBrow said:
you mean sellers, not smokers?
I know of few sellers that aren't also smokers too
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: niteowl]
#494188 - 11/01/10 09:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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The people who currently profit from selling cannabis illegally are the ones who want to keep it that way. Growers,dealers, etc... It is a direct admission of their hypocrisy that they don't want others to be able to do legitimately what they do illegally.
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Cid_Lives
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Sad, but true.
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 Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#494239 - 11/02/10 01:18 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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God said:
Anybody here live in CA and going to vote on the morrow?
already voted.
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God
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Acidic_Sloth said:
already voted.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: God]
#494259 - 11/02/10 08:44 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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God said:
Acidic_Sloth said:
already voted.
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Magash
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Shaggy420]
#494282 - 11/02/10 10:39 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man the growers who want it to fail are just plain fucking stupid and haven't got a fucking clue to how the market works. Once the prop passes (if it does) people are gonna step up growing cause of the need for more to make up for the drop in price which won't be much corporations are not going to be selling it and all the other crap I've seen. If anything it will be small mom and pop places that do it cause no large corporation (I've seen walmart mentioned many times) will not take the chance cause of federal law and they won't mess with that.
Now what the grow tards should be doing is learning how to make feminized seeds. I can't fill orders here cause the clubs are slamming me so hard for seeds and cuttings in expectation of a bunch of new growers.
Now the money behind seeds. A large plant can put out what a pound indoors if done right. Now the money in seeds. A large plant can put out fifty thousand seeds in the same amount of time. Now at just 1 dollar a seed you can get 50 grand from 1 plant. (way higher actually)
I pray that this passes man do I. All these new growers with huge dreams of huge crops of buds and very few thinking of how to supply these people with what they need to do it.
Gonna be a fucking gold mine................
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#494333 - 11/02/10 01:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, a dollar a seed would be incredible! Be sure that I would be voting for it, if I was out there. I have already called everyone of my friends in Cali today to make sure that they were voting. Everyone of them had already voted.
Thank you, Slothie!
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iStoner
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#494334 - 11/02/10 01:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Magash said:
Man the growers who want it to fail are just plain fucking stupid and haven't got a fucking clue to how the market works. Once the prop passes (if it does) people are gonna step up growing cause of the need for more to make up for the drop in price which won't be much corporations are not going to be selling it and all the other crap I've seen. If anything it will be small mom and pop places that do it cause no large corporation (I've seen walmart mentioned many times) will not take the chance cause of federal law and they won't mess with that.
Now what the grow tards should be doing is learning how to make feminized seeds. I can't fill orders here cause the clubs are slamming me so hard for seeds and cuttings in expectation of a bunch of new growers.
Now the money behind seeds. A large plant can put out what a pound indoors if done right. Now the money in seeds. A large plant can put out fifty thousand seeds in the same amount of time. Now at just 1 dollar a seed you can get 50 grand from 1 plant. (way higher actually)
I pray that this passes man do I. All these new growers with huge dreams of huge crops of buds and very few thinking of how to supply these people with what they need to do it.
Gonna be a fucking gold mine................
im going to have to get into this business 
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: iStoner]
#494352 - 11/02/10 02:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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So.... Just wondering.
Will you be required to be a Californian citizen, or just be 21? If so no shit, I'm going out there for a road trip/vacation. Having a state you could go to and smoke legally would be amazing. I mean every state would be better, but having one is better than none at all.
I just haven't really read the bill to much, just because I couldn't vote on it anyways.
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DRAGON
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Anyone keeping up with the live broadcast on NORML stickcam? 
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: DRAGON]
#494507 - 11/02/10 09:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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i am now.  it wasnt working earlier.
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Steve Buscemi
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i have a feeling it might stay illegal.
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Cid_Lives
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Steve Buscemi said:
i have a feeling it might stay illegal.
Yep.
Fail
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Badfish
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: DRAGON]
#494566 - 11/02/10 11:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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DRAGON said:
  Best election day so far
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DRAGON
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Badfish]
#494569 - 11/02/10 11:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Badfish said:
DRAGON said:
Best election day so far
Hey man MAJOR history has been made! I'm actually looking forward to the 2012 election
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Edited by DRAGON (11/02/10 11:50 PM)
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Badfish
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: DRAGON]
#494571 - 11/02/10 11:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I suppose -- nothing like if prop 19 was passed. Just disappointed in the results.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Badfish]
#494572 - 11/03/10 12:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Well who knows it might still pass. I mean they announced that it's been rejected. When only 20 percent of the votes were counted. Not too sure where it's at right now. But either way this was on the ballot. A bill to legalize finally. Even if it doesn't pass, it's still a major win in Cannabis Reform.
I honestly feel that we're going to be the first generation that gets to experience the freedom we've always deserved when it comes to our marvelous plant 
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rah
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: DRAGON]
#494578 - 11/03/10 12:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe this vote will get the people who actually support it to get off their butts and vote by 2012
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Magash
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: rah]
#494585 - 11/03/10 04:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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It failed in Humboldt County, Mendocino, in fact it only passed in 10 counties in the entire state.
A even bigger blow to the marijuana move was not the loss of prop 19 but the election of Steven Cooley to the office of state Attorney General. Cooley was opposed by many marijuana reform organizations, including Americans for Safe Access, for his public opposition to medical marijuana, and his contention that any retail sale of medical cannabis is in violation of state law.
South Dakota medical bill failed
Oregon medical expansion failed
Arizona medical bill passed
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Magash]
#494586 - 11/03/10 04:29 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you sure Arizona passed? Cnn shows it failing at 661,000 to 655,000 votes. Sad day for marijuana for sure.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: THEBats]
#494587 - 11/03/10 04:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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It failed.
Arizona Proposition 203 - Medical marijuana
49.81%
YES
50.19%
NO
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: RasJeph]
#494605 - 11/03/10 07:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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what a depressing day
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DungenessDank
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Shaggy420]
#494610 - 11/03/10 07:55 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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This war has been going on for decades, it's a long haul, but from the numbers legalization has more support than ever before, positives come out of every defeat.
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Thebooedocksaint
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DungenessDank said:
This war has been going on for decades, it's a long haul, but from the numbers legalization has more support than ever before, positives come out of every defeat.
I suppose I ultimately agree with that thought. Until about a month ago I didn't even think it would pass, I guess all the polls got my hopes up.
Maybe all the damn lazy stoners understand their vote mattered, and they should of put those damn cheezie poofs down and voted.
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DungenessDank
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Stoners that did vote were probably split 50%
California's lucrative medical marijuana industry was prop 19's biggest hope, and also it's ultimate down fall.
Legalization has better chances in places where there isn't already a large industry in place.
I'm looking at you Colorado.
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Cid_Lives
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I agree that with every defeat comes some small amount of victory, but damn, what a windfall. I was really thinking that prop 19 and 203 both had great chances. Majority voter turnout for midterm elections is in the elderly demographic. Younger voters generally have a higher turnout rate for main elections, so there is some hope for 2012. I'm pretty sick about the republicans taking the house, though.
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Magash
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DungenessDank said:
Stoners that did vote were probably split 50%
California's lucrative medical marijuana industry was prop 19's biggest hope, and also it's ultimate down fall.
Legalization has better chances in places where there isn't already a large industry in place.
I'm looking at you Colorado.
Fully agree, the fact that prop 19 failed in both Humboldt and Mendocino counties proves that.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Cid_Lives]
#494633 - 11/03/10 10:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a way of life for people, and legalization right now when the economy is so bad would potentially shake a lot of peoples lives up (not to say they wouldn't recover in time), I can see why the vote went the way it did.
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psyberpunk
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I have to say though: Fuck the greedy assholes in Humboldt and Mendocino for voting to put more marijuana users in jail. Elitist fucking scumbags.
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DungenessDank
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A guy can't survive as a logger, fisherman, contractor, or a farmer these days, what else are they supposed to do, move away?
I can't pool everyone who voted No as greedy.
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Oh well, you can still smoke all the weed you want here in Cali. Just a bummer it will continue to cost $20 a gram. Medical patients can still grow more weed than proposed in prop 19 and marijuana stores are alive and well for now.
Now I think I'll ride down to the pot store and score some pot........ wait medicine, yep medicine.
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psyberpunk
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They can keep doing the same thing. They just won't have a monopoly. This is an extremely greedy and corrupt attitude that matches that of bankers, the military, etc. They're basically saying, "WE are going to have the monopoly on marijuana," just like banks have the monopoly on money and the military has the monopoly on violence. "WE are the only ones allowed to grow marijuana. If you grow marijuana in your own home instead of buying Humboldt or Mendocino marijuana from established illegal growers, you should go to jail."
Every single drug dealer in California deserves to be shot today.
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Shr0000ooooms
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: DRAGON]
#494664 - 11/03/10 12:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I haven't checked to see if it passed yet, but I already know it didn't.
Honestly we're not gonna having legal weed in all states until AT LEAST 2020 and that's pushing it.
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FurrowedBrow
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DungenessDank said:
Stoners that did vote were probably split 50%
California's lucrative medical marijuana industry was prop 19's biggest hope, and also it's ultimate down fall.
Legalization has better chances in places where there isn't already a large industry in place.
I'm looking at you Colorado.
There will be a ballot initiative in 2012 in Colorado to legalize it. Hopefully, I will be living up there in 2011 so i can actually get involved as a voter. But also, in regard to your comment, i think the pot market up there is pretty well saturated atm. It really really mushroomed up after the medical thing passed.
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Far Stox
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I think the most disappointing part about losing Prop 19 is the fact that our prison systems will continue to remain overcrowded with mostly non-violent offenders who were unfairly prosecuted for MJ. I know it wouldn't change much for people outside of CA, but I truly believe there was potential for this to affect the rest of the nation and hopefully turn the tides against prohibition.
Oh well. Maybe we'll have a better outcome the next time legalization comes to a vote, whenever that is.
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Far Stox]
#494772 - 11/03/10 05:10 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I really wonder how this would of turned out had that decriminalization not have happened. Perhaps there was a portion of the voter base that just said, well its decriminalized so that will keep a lot of people out of jail and a burden on the tax payer so thats all I really care about.
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Badfish
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: drawde]
#494780 - 11/03/10 05:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm over the failure of Proposition 19 like a terrible dream. As long as I can continue to smoke with nothing changed for the worse.
There's always chances for legalization in 2012. 
Nonetheless, I now can toke up without having the pollution of campaign ads overwhelming the enjoyments in life. 
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Cid_Lives
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Re: Prop 19 [Re: Far Stox]
#494837 - 11/03/10 08:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Far Stox said:
I think the most disappointing part about losing Prop 19 is the fact that our prison systems will continue to remain overcrowded with mostly non-violent offenders who were unfairly prosecuted for MJ. I know it wouldn't change much for people outside of CA, but I truly believe there was potential for this to affect the rest of the nation and hopefully turn the tides against prohibition.
I agree 100% with what you said. That was my main reason for wanting mj legalized. People being locked up with the likes of murderers, rapists, and other violent offenders for weed is not justice. It never has been. It is a slap in the face of justice, to be honest.
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