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The Death Penalty
    #478995 - 09/18/10 12:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I'm curious what you guys and gals all think about the death penalty in America.  I was just watching CNN and they are talking about a case out of Conn.  Two men invade a home tie up the husband and two daughters, take the woman to the bank to get money and when they get back to the house they sexually assault the two oldest women and then kill them all except for the husband and try to burn the house down.  I am kind of torn on capital punishment.  One the one hand i have a lot of compassion and empathy for the family and if I placed myself in the surviving husbands position there's no doubt I would want the perpetrators to die horribly.  yet, state sponsored murder is an atrocity to modern civilization.  so what's everyone else think?
Do you support the death penalty?
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Yes! Hang em high
No! morality trumps revenge
I'm conflicted on this issue


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #478998 - 09/18/10 12:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I am all for it.  In fact, I think in a situation like that they should allow the husband to kill the perps if he wishes.  If not, then the state can do it.  It seems fair to me, however barbaric. :shrug:

I don't even think it is that big of a deal anyways just some over media-ized topic.  How many people get killed each year from the death penalty?

Don't dish out what you can't take is what I say.

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Oh wow 100 people a year.  Who cares?


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #479002 - 09/18/10 12:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

They should die by fire.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #479015 - 09/18/10 12:56 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

all for the death penalty.. If i cant kill someone without getting into trouble then let the state do it. I do believe that how you commit the crime is how you die. For instance if you rape and kill someone then you should be raped and killed the same way. I'm cold hearted but i live in a state where there is the most deaths by the state. Good ol' Texas for ya


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #479016 - 09/18/10 12:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

If you kill, you are signing a contract that you yourself can now be killed.

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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: DungenessDank]
    #479019 - 09/18/10 01:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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If you kill, you are signing a contract that you yourself can now be killed.

Deathwish




So if the father killed the guys that killed both his daughters and wife, should he face a death penalty charge as well?


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: hippielauren]
    #479021 - 09/18/10 01:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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all for the death penalty.. If i cant kill someone without getting into trouble then let the state do it. I do believe that how you commit the crime is how you die. For instance if you rape and kill someone then you should be raped and killed the same way. I'm cold hearted but i live in a state where there is the most deaths by the state. Good ol' Texas for ya




I tried to find a way to exempt Texans from this poll but the growery isn't that sophisticated yet.  :lol:


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #479023 - 09/18/10 01:03 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

ha ha too funny. whats everyone got against texans? we all arent hicks ya know


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: hippielauren]
    #479026 - 09/18/10 01:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Too bad Texas could not retain its independence.  It would be cool to have a country there.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: hippielauren]
    #479027 - 09/18/10 01:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I'm cool with the death penalty, but IMO there should be a requirement for even more proof to do it.

Because I never want to hear about a dude/dudette that was executed and then found innocent.

But people in jail for life with no parole usually do nothing but drain tax dollars.

Granted legalization of marijuana/cocaine/opiates would also empty those prisons out pretty good too. But then again D.A.R.E. ran a pretty good campaign of misinformation.

Also, I beleive if you have to kill someone it should be as quick and painless as possible.

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ha ha too funny. whats everyone got against texans? we all arent hicks ya know



I only hate texas because they take the heat off of kansas for being the crappiest state.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #479058 - 09/18/10 01:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I have mixed feelings. I recently read a book Edison and the electric chair and I have contemplating my feelings on the subject of capital punishment a lot recently. I feel the same way Edison did at one point, that if someone hasn't exhausted their ability to be put to some use that they shouldn't be put to death. In the case stated in the original post I think those people should probably die. In a case where someone can only contribute labor not generating a profit over the cost of incarceration I think that person should die too, as he or she would be a burden to tax payers. I think such rationalization is basically to say anyone serving life should be put to death.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: maryanne3087]
    #479064 - 09/18/10 01:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, but just killing those that can no longer work as a bit to cold-hearted for the general populace.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #479074 - 09/18/10 02:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

If its red-handed - kill 'em.

If theres ANY question - life in prison.

I can sit here and say anti-capital punishment stuff all day long...but when it comes down to it, if someone did something like that to my family, I would want them dead. If the state wasn't going to do it, I would hope every day someone in prison killed them.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #479075 - 09/18/10 02:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see how isolating people behind bars who will never become productive or rejoin the civilized half of their society is more humane than killing them. Besides that it costs millions of dollars for life long prison stays.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #479076 - 09/18/10 02:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

To be honest, Solitary confinement for the rest of their life might be worse than death, if they don't make the death as painful as what they did to the victims (trying to kill the man with fire). Which is why I say kill them with fire. People in solitary confinement sometimes try to kill themselves, because that's how bad it is.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: RasJeph]
    #479077 - 09/18/10 02:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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If theres ANY question - life in prison.





If there's any reasonable doubt, I believe those people go free.

Unless you mean, video surveillance or a crowd of people has to witness/record the murder for the accused to be put to death.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #479082 - 09/18/10 02:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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To be honest, Solitary confinement for the rest of their life might be worse than death, if they don't make the death as painful as what they did to the victims (trying to kill the man with fire). Which is why I say kill them with fire. People in solitary confinement sometimes try to kill themselves, because that's how bad it is.




Good point. I think life in prison would be much worse (depending on the conditions) than being executed.

I dont believe in capital punishment simply because there is never any way to be 100% certain no matter how much video surveillance, witnesses, etc. I remember seeing an estimate of how many people who have been put to death in the US were innocent, and it was terrible. IMO killing one innocent man is much, much worse than letting 1000 guilty men live to rot in prison.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: Laysthepipe]
    #479084 - 09/18/10 02:32 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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To be honest, Solitary confinement for the rest of their life might be worse than death, if they don't make the death as painful as what they did to the victims (trying to kill the man with fire). Which is why I say kill them with fire. People in solitary confinement sometimes try to kill themselves, because that's how bad it is.




As being a person who only partially believes there is an afterlife. I'd personally like to keep my body alive as long as possible. Though if a person want to die who has life in prison though, and they can be called mentally fit. I think they should be assisted with their wishes.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #479086 - 09/18/10 02:36 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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To be honest, Solitary confinement for the rest of their life might be worse than death, if they don't make the death as painful as what they did to the victims (trying to kill the man with fire). Which is why I say kill them with fire. People in solitary confinement sometimes try to kill themselves, because that's how bad it is.




I think they should be assisted with their wishes.




They do the exact opposite, they start keeping eyes on them more to make them stay alive miserable.


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Re: The Death Penalty [Re: hippielauren]
    #479112 - 09/18/10 03:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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ha ha too funny. whats everyone got against texans? we all arent hicks ya know



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