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    #382844 - 03/13/10 01:50 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone have any experience with it ?

Some people on the net call it dark DMT

I got some today and its red and waxy, I read that a good dose is like 10mg and you trip quite a bit harder

I also find it interesting that nobody has found out what it actually is yet, and since nobody knows the chemical compounds in it would that mean that it cant be illegal ? I suppose though it probably still has a fair amount of N-N-DMT in it though :shrug:


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #382879 - 03/13/10 05:55 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I have been intrigued about it for a while now.


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Tangerines]
    #382904 - 03/13/10 09:28 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

If its called jungle spice, and its red

I would assume it was extracted poorly, and contains many other fats, and oils from the plants and was possibly extracted in the jungle, or using really shitty supplies to do so.

It could also be extracted from a different DMT source, giving it a different colour after all the reactions have taken place.

Im not exactly sure but Ive heard of it before, and I think it was a mixture of these answers :lol:


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Harlz]
    #382905 - 03/13/10 09:30 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I was wrong

So just what is Jungle spice?

Jungle spice is one of many names that has been applied to a particularly intriguing non-DMT alkaloid fraction that can be isolated from much of the commercially available Mimosa rootbark (See Botanical Confustication). In the most general terms, it is the alkaloid fraction obtained from the aqueous basic phase of an extraction by pulling with xylene or toluene after DMT ceases to be pulled by an aliphatic hydrocarbon solvent (naphtha, heptane, etc.). This product will almost always contain some degree of N,N-DMT; some extractors choose to remove the DMT in a hot naphtha wash to obtain a pure "jungle" experience, while others use the jungle/DMT mixture as it is.

There is a great deal of ambiguity surrounding jungle spice, owing to a wide array of factors. First and foremost, there appears to be a great diversity of compounds which can be isolated by extracting the aqueous basic phase with xylene or toluene. What compounds are actually isolated depends on some several of the following factors: minimum pH, maximum temperature and duration spent at this temperature, maximum pH and duration spent at this pH, and whether a fan is applied in the evaporation of solvent. On top of that, there's strong indications that some or all of the isolated compounds oxidize and change activity based on duration of time the material is allowed to sit at environmental conditions after extraction. And as if those things weren't enough, we also have to account for the fact that it's essentially impossible to know exactly what species of Mimosa the extracted rootbark came from. About all that is certain about it at this point is that it isn't N,N-DMT.

There has been a lot of speculation going around that this compound may be yuremamine, the novel phytoindole isolated from Mimosa tenuiflora and characterized in 2005. Looking at the evidence this appears to be exceedingly unlikely, based on yuremamine's known instability to acid, apparent instability to base, and speculated instability to heat. It certainly cannot be ruled out completely at this point, but there remains a substantial body of evidence against it. Until a GCMS of jungle spice emerges with a molecular ion at 477.1 m/z, I think it's safe to assume that yuremamine is not the red alkaloid that has been isolated by home extractors.

That said, I hope that the ensuing analysis can shed some light on the subject.


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Harlz]
    #382909 - 03/13/10 09:48 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

WOW


sorry to post whore

but heres a cool little fact

as the DMT is oxidized and washed with naptha, an Oxygen atom is added,  ( referred to as jungle spice)

when DMT has an oxygen atom added it becomes the exact same compound as Psilocin,

I haven't seen anyone put this together yet, but could red spice be crystallized psilocin, that is smokable and is like an extremely compressed mushroom trip?


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Harlz]
    #382910 - 03/13/10 11:09 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Ive heard some interesting things about jungle spice... and Ive also read of a few reports of vaporized psylocin/psylocybin being stronger than a DMT trip...


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #382923 - 03/13/10 12:07 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Ive got extracted psilocin on paper right now, its a brown goo


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Harlz]
    #382931 - 03/13/10 12:45 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Ive heard some interesting things about jungle spice... and Ive also read of a few reports of vaporized psylocin/psylocybin being stronger than a DMT trip...




orly?!  That's interesting.  I've never heard of Jungle Spice. 


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I was wrong

So just what is Jungle spice?

Jungle spice is one of many names that has been applied to a particularly intriguing non-DMT alkaloid fraction that can be isolated from much of the commercially available Mimosa rootbark (See Botanical Confustication). In the most general terms, it is the alkaloid fraction obtained from the aqueous basic phase of an extraction by pulling with xylene or toluene after DMT ceases to be pulled by an aliphatic hydrocarbon solvent (naphtha, heptane, etc.). This product will almost always contain some degree of N,N-DMT; some extractors choose to remove the DMT in a hot naphtha wash to obtain a pure "jungle" experience, while others use the jungle/DMT mixture as it is.

There is a great deal of ambiguity surrounding jungle spice, owing to a wide array of factors. First and foremost, there appears to be a great diversity of compounds which can be isolated by extracting the aqueous basic phase with xylene or toluene. What compounds are actually isolated depends on some several of the following factors: minimum pH, maximum temperature and duration spent at this temperature, maximum pH and duration spent at this pH, and whether a fan is applied in the evaporation of solvent. On top of that, there's strong indications that some or all of the isolated compounds oxidize and change activity based on duration of time the material is allowed to sit at environmental conditions after extraction. And as if those things weren't enough, we also have to account for the fact that it's essentially impossible to know exactly what species of Mimosa the extracted rootbark came from. About all that is certain about it at this point is that it isn't N,N-DMT.

There has been a lot of speculation going around that this compound may be yuremamine, the novel phytoindole isolated from Mimosa tenuiflora and characterized in 2005. Looking at the evidence this appears to be exceedingly unlikely, based on yuremamine's known instability to acid, apparent instability to base, and speculated instability to heat. It certainly cannot be ruled out completely at this point, but there remains a substantial body of evidence against it. Until a GCMS of jungle spice emerges with a molecular ion at 477.1 m/z, I think it's safe to assume that yuremamine is not the red alkaloid that has been isolated by home extractors.

That said, I hope that the ensuing analysis can shed some light on the subject.




source?

So it's just dmt then?


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #382934 - 03/13/10 12:55 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1115

edit - use harlz link, same thing but it still has the pictures attached...


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #382935 - 03/13/10 12:55 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Read the whole post

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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #382936 - 03/13/10 12:56 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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So it's just dmt then?




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About all that is certain about it at this point is that it isn't N,N-DMT.




dmt-nexus.com probably has the most information on the jungle spice anywhere out there


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: elcharrosays]
    #382938 - 03/13/10 01:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I dont think my interest has been peaked enough to spend the time required to read that entire thread, either of those threads.  I do appreciate the links however and will skim through entros post.



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So it's just dmt then?




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About all that is certain about it at this point is that it isn't N,N-DMT.






dmt-nexus.com probably has the most information on the jungle spice anywhere out there




oh geez.  i guess i missed that line.  :facepalm:


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #383700 - 03/14/10 09:41 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Well I will be smoking this mysterious material tonight

It should be an interesting experience, I broke my :meff: pipe so im going to be packing some weed in my steamroller then putting the jungle spice (and some normal DMT, why the hell not:awesome:) then more weed on top so I dont burn the deems (and jungle deems)

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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #383709 - 03/14/10 09:51 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Good luck

you have balls :awetrippie:


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Harlz]
    #383714 - 03/14/10 09:55 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Good luck

you have balls :awetrippie:





True, but mainly just spare time and drugs :awesome:


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #383778 - 03/15/10 12:21 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Well I decided to try just the jungle spice by itself and it first I was a little scared to try because I couldnt really find any proper dosage advice online, but I found some posts that said between 10 and 20 mg so I took a little ball of the oily and waxy, very non solid material and smoked it on ash out of my steamroller

The hit tasted and smelled very much like but slightly different than regular white spice, I got the mild body effects of white spice and felt very "high" but no visuals really, actually as I am typing this about 10 minutes after smoking my world is tinted pink a little bit but no real visual effects to speak of

Will have to smoke more and see where that takes me


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #383779 - 03/15/10 12:22 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

let us know how it goes


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: ltd]
    #383793 - 03/15/10 12:43 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Im overwhelmed with weirdness, I feel like my head weighs 100lbs and im really glad I started with a small amount of this sticky stuff


Still no real visuals to speak of, slight distortion of reality but no DMT like full visuals

This stuff is great, it feels more natural to me than white spice, I want to try more but I dont know if im ready (not that one could really ever be ready :shrug:)

BTW, I took some pictures of the goo, will post soon


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #383928 - 03/15/10 11:08 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Wouldn't normal DMT always contain some jungle spice? And its just adding its effect to the regular DMT trip?

And now you are just smoking that 1 part of the trip, but in highly concentrated amounts?

It seems plausible :shrug:


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: Harlz]
    #383978 - 03/15/10 01:22 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

It might but jungle spice is not soluble in naphtha so its easy to separate the two


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #384288 - 03/15/10 10:52 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Heres some pictures of the stuff I had

and some stanky GDP





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    #384294 - 03/15/10 11:00 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

nice :smile2:


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: ltd]
    #389672 - 03/25/10 02:11 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

So I just smoked some more tonight, I was feeling good and wanted to give it another shot

It came on just like white spice, Maybe a little slower

but my eyes closed almost all the way and everything else in my remaining little slit of vision (which was just the blanket on my bed) turned into a swirling world of colors, I then closed my eyes completely and for the next 10 or so minutes (felt like an hour or more) journeyed deep into my subconscious and I dont even know how to put it into words, It was the most mind expanding substance I have ever tried and I hope to do further research on it soon, Hopefully extracting some of my own

wish I could put it into more detail but I just cant find words to describe what I remember, and I dont remember most of it either

This time I smoked about 10mg or so I would guess, maybe a little less

I would say it was about as much as a match head, maybe one and a half

It was very much like DMT but much more potent and much more mental than visual


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    #389774 - 03/25/10 12:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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    #389789 - 03/25/10 12:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

This is so interesting and fascinating to me!

Is it legal?


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    #389811 - 03/25/10 01:19 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it legal?



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    #389830 - 03/25/10 01:34 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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This is so interesting and fascinating to me!

Is it legal?



Sadly no.





Well it dosent contain any illegal substances

You can wash all the DMT out of it


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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #389841 - 03/25/10 01:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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This is so interesting and fascinating to me!

Is it legal?



Sadly no.





Well it dosent contain any illegal substances

You can wash all the DMT out of it



Do we know what jungle spice is?

No.

It could be psilocin!


Or it could be legal.
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This is so interesting and fascinating to me!

Is it legal?



Sadly no.





Well it dosent contain any illegal substances

You can wash all the DMT out of it



to obtain it from the bark you extract DMT also which is breaking the law even if you do a wash because you still extracted the dmt, anyway they consider san pedro tea to be illegal so if you made a tea of the MHRB to extract the jungle spice from therefore you made an extraction of the DMT also even though its not in its pure form??
plus if a cop found putty in a little baggy your most likely gonna get some sort of disciplinary action,, before testing it for all they know it could be some crazy ass new form of PCP...
people get busted all the time with medical cards and its legal for them yet that doesnt stop the system from interfering...
the government will look at it as another bad drug wether its legal or not.
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The Sonoma County underground chemistry lab of Tim Scully and Nicholas Sand was the source for "Orange Sunshine." It was shut down by the police, and Scully was arrested and prosecuted. This resulted in the first drug analogue trial, where Scully claimed that he and his partners did nothing illegal, because they were producing ALD-52 which was not an illicit drug. However, as the prosecution claimed, there were problems with such a rationale: first, ALD-52 readily undergoes hydrolysis to LSD, and second, the synthesis of ALD-52 required LSD (this was based on the methods available in the scientific literature at the time). Scully was convicted and served time in prison.



even though LSD is not in the final product they dont care...

So in my opinion treat it as an illegal drug, or it just may become illegal if it not already somehow...




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Re: Jungle Spice ? [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #395584 - 04/03/10 11:57 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

This is very interesting.
Especially about the guy who says Terence must have been smoking this shit.
I was thinking about this thread today.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding-tank/33299-jungle-spice-mystery-alkaloids-mimosa-root-bark.html


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    #396286 - 04/05/10 10:53 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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    #396308 - 04/05/10 12:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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