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This motherfucker
    #354356 - 01/27/10 09:58 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Just said to me "Cops have the right to any means necessary." When we were talking about that cops/KBI shot multiple times this guy for running from them.

And then tried to call me stupid when I said they don't.

The kid that was talking shit is one of my HS friends brothers, and fat/weak/blind.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354364 - 01/27/10 10:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #354426 - 01/28/10 02:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah for real man. Don't even engage that level of stupidity. Their naivety and arrogance will bite them back some day anyway.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #354445 - 01/28/10 07:18 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.



I don't treat anyone special for problems. Everyone should pull their own weight, and act correctly. (The reason I don't like handicapped people that are unable to work.) I don't personally have a prob with them, but I think we should waste people and time on them if they can't work. Because what use is a person that can't work and help further mankind? (wow that was off on a tangent.)

But then again I think we should kill all the mentally challenged people in the world, so I'm a little unrealistic; people are way to sentimental about people. The dude just pissed me off making fun of a dude, He eventually shut up. After I said "hey shut up before I walk the whole half a block to you're house and have a game of beat the fat boy" like 20 other people threatened to kick his ass for it. :rofl:

Just pissed me off, because the dude is in the hospital with like 7 bullet wounds and being disrespected.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354446 - 01/28/10 07:21 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

On a funny note, the kid that was saying shit fell and broke his collarbone a couple months ago.

He didn't like fall and land on it, he tripped, caught himself, then suddenly broken collarbone.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354451 - 01/28/10 08:18 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.



I don't treat anyone special for problems. Everyone should pull their own weight, and act correctly. (The reason I don't like handicapped people that are unable to work.) I don't personally have a prob with them, but I think we should waste people and time on them if they can't work. Because what use is a person that can't work and help further mankind? (wow that was off on a tangent.)

But then again I think we should kill all the mentally challenged people in the world, so I'm a little unrealistic; people are way to sentimental about people. The dude just pissed me off making fun of a dude, He eventually shut up. After I said "hey shut up before I walk the whole half a block to you're house and have a game of beat the fat boy" like 20 other people threatened to kick his ass for it. :rofl:

Just pissed me off, because the dude is in the hospital with like 7 bullet wounds and being disrespected.




That's easy to say when you don't have a disability.  Hopefully, you are never involved in an on the job injury that lays you out permanently.  It happens daily, everywhere. 

As for exterminating the mentally challeneged, that's hitler talk.  but i can see eye to eye with it.  I have a cousin that is laying in bed right now in texas.  He hasn't talked for over 20 years.  He can't do anything for himself.  no communication with the outside world at all.  my aunt leaves a tv on for him.  but they are keeping him alive to fullfill their own needs.  that's what pisses me off.  Let him have some peace in death.  This is why people have a living will.  obviously he didnt.  but that's a really fine line in our society that I dont often cross.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #354462 - 01/28/10 09:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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That's easy to say when you don't have a disability.  Hopefully, you are never involved in an on the job injury that lays you out permanently.  It happens daily, everywhere. 

As for exterminating the mentally challeneged, that's hitler talk.




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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #354508 - 01/28/10 12:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.



I don't treat anyone special for problems. Everyone should pull their own weight, and act correctly. (The reason I don't like handicapped people that are unable to work.) I don't personally have a prob with them, but I think we should waste people and time on them if they can't work. Because what use is a person that can't work and help further mankind? (wow that was off on a tangent.)

But then again I think we should kill all the mentally challenged people in the world, so I'm a little unrealistic; people are way to sentimental about people. The dude just pissed me off making fun of a dude, He eventually shut up. After I said "hey shut up before I walk the whole half a block to you're house and have a game of beat the fat boy" like 20 other people threatened to kick his ass for it. :rofl:

Just pissed me off, because the dude is in the hospital with like 7 bullet wounds and being disrespected.




That's easy to say when you don't have a disability.  Hopefully, you are never involved in an on the job injury that lays you out permanently.  It happens daily, everywhere. 

As for exterminating the mentally challeneged, that's hitler talk.  but i can see eye to eye with it.  I have a cousin that is laying in bed right now in texas.  He hasn't talked for over 20 years.  He can't do anything for himself.  no communication with the outside world at all.  my aunt leaves a tv on for him.  but they are keeping him alive to fullfill their own needs.  that's what pisses me off.  Let him have some peace in death.  This is why people have a living will.  obviously he didnt.  but that's a really fine line in our society that I dont often cross.




My mom is disabled, I'm not saying I don't love here and that I want her to die. Hell; even after she was in the hospital over thanksgiving break, and again during new years, and now she has MRSA in her lungs and is currently going to the hospital twice a day for an IV to help fight the MRSA. (Which is really bad since her disability has to do with her lungs.) But really what do mentally challenged people do for the human race? Other than having been in a Medically induced coma for a couple months a few years ago she is still intelligent. She can do SOME work. And she does not require constant aid from other humans to survive. The people I have a problem with is the ones that require 24/7 assistance because they are just to mentally retarded. The people that are assisting them could be doing much more productive things rather than looking after someone who will probably not do anything productive ever; and never able to help humanity as a race.

I like to stay away from emotions though, it is what hampers us as a race from achieving greatness. We are a race of animals that like to bring the weak up to mediocrity, and also drag the great down to it as well.

Plus if I ever was out of a job permanently; I would want to die anyways. I believe the only thing important in life really is whether or not you were able to make the world better. And my living will is going to state this.W hat if being kept alive keeps us from moving on to an afterlife? And although I'm not the most religious person ; I still believe in an afterlife of some form. (although I realize this is just a coping mechanism, but I can't just not believe in it.)

And I really don't believe the whole "Hitler was evil" stuff. Nobody can be evil, in real life people have reasons for doing what they do, and to those people what they are doing is the right thing. Morality is objective. For example, in western culture cannibalism is wrong, in some tribes cannibalism is a way to overcome grief. They don't see it as wrong, they are just doing what they have always done.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354512 - 01/28/10 12:31 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i don't have time to adequately convey how I feel about this before class so i'm just posting for now so hopefully I remember. But this thread has taken a turn towards fucked...


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: tsollost]
    #354513 - 01/28/10 12:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i don't have time to adequately convey how I feel about this before class so i'm just posting for now so hopefully I remember. But this thread has taken a turn towards fucked...




Yea it has. But it happens. :rofl:

I don't really care if people like what I say or not. If I feel like expressing my views I will, and you can always hide a thread if you don't like it.

Can you give me one non-abstract reason why we should keep mentally retarded individuals around if they require other individuals to use their time to be their keepers?

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Plus my points I made are pretty well established, but I like a good debate. Just nobody get their panties in a bunch.

On a side note I just successfully argued Pro-Trickledown economics in debate practice.

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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Ben18]
    #354516 - 01/28/10 12:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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That's easy to say when you don't have a disability.  Hopefully, you are never involved in an on the job injury that lays you out permanently.  It happens daily, everywhere. 

As for exterminating the mentally challeneged, that's hitler talk.




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not cool




I'm not sure what you mean with what you quoted there.  What's not cool?


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354517 - 01/28/10 12:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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But then again I think we should kill all the mentally challenged people in the world, so I'm a little unrealistic; people are way to sentimental about people.



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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354520 - 01/28/10 01:02 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i don't have time to adequately convey how I feel about this before class so i'm just posting for now so hopefully I remember. But this thread has taken a turn towards fucked...




Yea it has. But it happens. :rofl:

I don't really care if people like what I say or not. If I feel like expressing my views I will, and you can always hide a thread if you don't like it.

Can you give me one non-abstract reason why we should keep mentally retarded individuals around if they require other individuals to use their time to be their keepers?

-edit-

Plus my points I made are pretty well established, but I like a good debate. Just nobody get their panties in a bunch.

On a side note I just successfully argued Pro-Trickledown economics in debate practice.





I've had this conversation (I thought with you!) before.  I can't remember what thread it was in though.  We all want the human race to advance our technology and our understanding of everything.  This is a population control issue you're getting at i think.  No longer are we living in a world of survival of the fittest.  Now it's if you have money, give some to the guy on the corner asking for it so you can feel better about yourself.  There are a millions of people who are a drain on our society.  Of course we don't need those people.  I think i pretty much agree with you man.  It would be nice to only allow intelligent/reasonable people to breed, but that's unrealistic.  But i mean, how is the world to agree on what kind of personality and physical characteristics determine what the 'perfect' human would be.  Hitler just took things into his own hands and decided for himself.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #354566 - 01/28/10 03:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.



No one has sympathy for stoney.

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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Triptonic]
    #354620 - 01/28/10 05:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

cops aint nuthin but hoes and tricks.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354627 - 01/28/10 05:53 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Plus if I ever was out of a job permanently; I would want to die anyways. I believe the only thing important in life really is whether or not you were able to make the world better. And my living will is going to state this.W hat if being kept alive keeps us from moving on to an afterlife? And although I'm not the most religious person ; I still believe in an afterlife of some form. (although I realize this is just a coping mechanism, but I can't just not believe in it.)

And I really don't believe the whole "Hitler was evil" stuff. Nobody can be evil, in real life people have reasons for doing what they do, and to those people what they are doing is the right thing. Morality is objective. For example, in western culture cannibalism is wrong, in some tribes cannibalism is a way to overcome grief. They don't see it as wrong, they are just doing what they have always done.



Bro you are so off-base it's not even funny,many jobs do fuck-all and in fact hurt the human race, the argument that by working you are helping the human race and by not you are hurting it is absurd.  It's also a very american way of thinking.  Participate in the great american economy and you are part of the solution, refrain from participating and you are the problem.  FUCK that.

People absolutely can be evil, john wayne gacy, ted bundy wtf are you talking about.  How would you argue they were not evil. 

The whole thing of those tribes using cannibalism to overcome grief is they eat the bodies of already dead relatives because they don't become possessed by evil spirits.  They don't murder ppl to do it.

Why you even think that this is comparable to hitler is beyond me.  He killed 6 million jews alone and countless other innocents you really think he didn't know any better?  That's retarded.  He was just a sociopath.

Seriously dude think about what you say instead of just talking out your ass like this. You generally seem pretty chill, and i thought you were better than this tripe.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Doitagain]
    #354641 - 01/28/10 06:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i'm with the jew on this one


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Doitagain]
    #354647 - 01/28/10 06:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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The whole thing of those tribes using cannibalism to overcome grief is they eat the bodies of already dead relatives because they don't become possessed by evil spirits.  They don't murder ppl to do it.



I don't get why I said cannibalism; I meant head hunting.
The tribe I am talking about goes out far enough not to catch anyone they know, sets a trap, kills them, chops their head off, and then throws the head away. And this is what they do instead of mourning death.

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Bro you are so off-base it's not even funny,many jobs do fuck-all and in fact hurt the human race, the argument that by working you are helping the human race and by not you are hurting it is absurd.  It's also a very american way of thinking.  Participate in the great american economy and you are part of the solution, refrain from participating and you are the problem.  FUCK that.




Really? So jobs don't serve some purpose for mankind? We just do them to do them? I believe we build bombs to defend ourselves, work in restaurants to cook food for people, build houses for people to live in, create drugs for people to get high with, create cement to make structures, research to find new breakthroughs in science....

Yea totally they don't help the human race at all.

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People absolutely can be evil, john wayne gacy, ted bundy wtf are you talking about.  How would you argue they were not evil. 




I would argue that within their minds they were doing the right thing, it was the logical thing to do.

Yes they did something wrong, but from their perspective it wasn't wrong.

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Why you even think that this is comparable to hitler is beyond me.  He killed 6 million jews alone and countless other innocents you really think he didn't know any better?  That's retarded.  He was just a sociopath.




It is comparable because he wanted to kill everyone that was mentally handicapped. And gypsies too. Among other ethnic groups. People just mainly remember about the Jews. And yes yet again, within his mind all of his actions were the correct thing to do from his point of view.


Anything else?


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354653 - 01/28/10 06:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Oh btw he hated homosexuals too.


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    #354658 - 01/28/10 06:34 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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The whole thing of those tribes using cannibalism to overcome grief is they eat the bodies of already dead relatives because they don't become possessed by evil spirits.  They don't murder ppl to do it.



I don't get why I said cannibalism; I meant head hunting.
The tribe I am talking about goes out far enough not to catch anyone they know, sets a trap, kills them, chops their head off, and then throws the head away. And this is what they do instead of mourning death.

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Bro you are so off-base it's not even funny,many jobs do fuck-all and in fact hurt the human race, the argument that by working you are helping the human race and by not you are hurting it is absurd.  It's also a very american way of thinking.  Participate in the great american economy and you are part of the solution, refrain from participating and you are the problem.  FUCK that.




Really? So jobs don't serve some purpose for mankind? We just do them to do them? I believe we build bombs to defend ourselves, work in restaurants to cook food for people, build houses for people to live in, create drugs for people to get high with, create cement to make structures, research to find new breakthroughs in science....

Yea totally they don't help the human race at all.

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People absolutely can be evil, john wayne gacy, ted bundy wtf are you talking about.  How would you argue they were not evil. 




I would argue that within their minds they were doing the right thing, it was the logical thing to do.

Yes they did something wrong, but from their perspective it wasn't wrong.

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Why you even think that this is comparable to hitler is beyond me.  He killed 6 million jews alone and countless other innocents you really think he didn't know any better?  That's retarded.  He was just a sociopath.




It is comparable because he wanted to kill everyone that was mentally handicapped. And gypsies too. Among other ethnic groups. People just mainly remember about the Jews. And yes yet again, within his mind all of his actions were the correct thing to do from his point of view.


Anything else?



Well regarding that tribe, obviously they are very primitive.  Xenophobia is a natural human conditon that some of us have overcome to varying degrees.  To a certain extent its a survival instinct.  I don't think that the behavior of the tribe is justified, though to them it is as they don't see someone not of their tribe as a person.  Just because they can justify it, doesn't mean it is not immoral.  People who have attained a higher sense of morality, have gotten over their xenophobia enough to see outsiders as human. 

I'm not saying no jobs help mankind, i'm saying it's fallacious to assume just because you have a job you are doing good for mankind. There are some jobs that help mankind, and some that hurt it and some that do bad and good.  I'm not saying its not good to have a job, i'm just saying having a job doesn't automatically mean you're part of the solution and not the problem. Some professions are absolutely part of the problem. (lawyers anyone?)

And I would argue that they were not doing what they thought was moral, but that they were acting selfishly in service of their own twisted impulses.  It's not that they didn't know the people they killed and tortured were suffering it's that they just didn't care.

We all have demons in us, impulses that tell us to kill, hurt, attack etc... Some people don't let these demons get the better of us and some do.

I was actually saying it's not comparable to the tribe headhunting/cannibalism thing.  Even the other thing it's not right to compare it to hitler though, because even though he did kill the mentally handicapped, he also killed many of the most productive and successful people in his society (the jews)  He wasn't weeding out the weak and keeping the productive he was weeding out non-aryans regardless of what they did for society.

"yet again, within his mind all of his actions were the correct thing to do from his point of view."

Wrong, his actions were the correct thing to do to further and purify the german race and weed out the undesirables, not the correct thing to do ethically.  He was well aware of the suffering and pain he would have caused these people, he was far too smart not to be, he just didn't give a shit because they were not like him.  That's xenophobia, bigotry, and ethnocentrism, all of which are evil.

Every human being has a logical capacity to reason whether or not his actions are harming another.  That's the basic sense of our morality, you can only do shit like hitler or john wayne gacy if you ignore your sense of morality, not because you don't have it.

oh and there is no need to tell me he also killed gypsies retards and homos, i clearly said 6 million jews and countless others.  They fall into the category of countless others.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Doitagain]
    #354665 - 01/28/10 07:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Wrong, his actions were the correct thing to do to further and purify the german race and weed out the undesirables, not the correct thing to do ethically.  He was well aware of the suffering and pain he would have caused these people, he was far too smart not to be, he just didn't give a shit because they were not like him.  That's xenophobia, bigotry, and ethnocentrism, all of which are evil.




But to him the correct thing to do was to purify the german race.

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Well regarding that tribe, obviously they are very primitive.  Xenophobia is a natural human conditon that some of us have overcome to varying degrees.  To a certain extent its a survival instinct.  I don't think that the behavior of the tribe is justified, though to them it is as they don't see someone not of their tribe as a person.  Just because they can justify it, doesn't mean it is not immoral.  People who have attained a higher sense of morality, have gotten over their xenophobia enough to see outsiders as human.




Morality is objective. They just don't see killing someone to resolve grief as a morally wrong thing.

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I'm not saying no jobs help mankind, i'm saying it's fallacious to assume just because you have a job you are doing good for mankind. There are some jobs that help mankind, and some that hurt it and some that do bad and good.  I'm not saying its not good to have a job, i'm just saying having a job doesn't automatically mean you're part of the solution and not the problem. Some professions are absolutely part of the problem. (lawyers anyone?)




Within our society lawyers fill a needed role for the gears to turn smoothly. I am more complaining that it takes a job to take care of these handicapped people though. Every single person in this world that takes care of someone that is mentally handicapped could just as easily fill a position somewhere more required for humanity to continue. (smoothly) I will admit some do more harm than good, but usually that good is required for continuity of our modern world.


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And I would argue that they were not doing what they thought was moral, but that they were acting selfishly in service of their own twisted impulses.  It's not that they didn't know the people they killed and tortured were suffering it's that they just didn't care.




But for them to have acted on those impulses they had to view them as the correct action for them to take. Personally I do think what they did was wrong. And I, with my current state of mind, wouldn't do anything they did that I view as evil. However if my state of mind changed, and I then felt like it was the correct course of action to take, I would follow that course of action. Humans do what seems to be the correct choice at the time.

Also you called Hitler a sociopath earlier, that just further promotes my point.
A sociopath is a person that can disregard the rights of others. So within his mind, he had just decided that he didn't care about the people he acted negatively toward. So if he does not care about those people, how could he reason with himself to not carry out his action.


Morality is a completely abstract though anyways. Realistically nothing is just "wrong vs right." All of the morals that people have are products of their environment, which is why there are some people that have radically different morality. You acted as if it was wrong for the tribe to go head hunting as compared to the traditional response one has with death of someone close. What makes it worse? Who is to say the worth of a life? Who is to say a life is worth more than the satisfaction of removing ones grief? These are not things that have real answers; they are all things that have just been told to us.

I think it is bed time though, I will reply if I'm still awake or when I wake.


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    #354667 - 01/28/10 07:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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That's easy to say when you don't have a disability.  Hopefully, you are never involved in an on the job injury that lays you out permanently.  It happens daily, everywhere. 

As for exterminating the mentally challeneged, that's hitler talk.




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not cool




I'm not sure what you mean with what you quoted there.  What's not cool?





ya sorry that was confusing i ment to say yes FB you are right
and that it isn't cool what he was talking about.
just to high earlier, sorry :grin:

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    #354675 - 01/28/10 07:10 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i don't have time to adequately convey how I feel about this before class so i'm just posting for now so hopefully I remember. But this thread has taken a turn towards fucked...




Yea it has. But it happens. :rofl:

I don't really care if people like what I say or not. If I feel like expressing my views I will, and you can always hide a thread if you don't like it.

Can you give me one non-abstract reason why we should keep mentally retarded individuals around if they require other individuals to use their time to be their keepers?

-edit-

Plus my points I made are pretty well established, but I like a good debate. Just nobody get their panties in a bunch.

On a side note I just successfully argued Pro-Trickledown economics in debate practice.





I've had this conversation (I thought with you!) before.  I can't remember what thread it was in though.  We all want the human race to advance our technology and our understanding of everything.  This is a population control issue you're getting at i think.  No longer are we living in a world of survival of the fittest.  Now it's if you have money, give some to the guy on the corner asking for it so you can feel better about yourself.  There are a millions of people who are a drain on our society.  Of course we don't need those people.  I think i pretty much agree with you man.  It would be nice to only allow intelligent/reasonable people to breed, but that's unrealistic.  But i mean, how is the world to agree on what kind of personality and physical characteristics determine what the 'perfect' human would be.  Hitler just took things into his own hands and decided for himself.




And my personal beliefs are really that all people are truely equal more or less. I entertain this though, contemplate what may happen to a world after wards. But maybe intelligence is really a curse, I mean look at the sheep that live on their lives without question. It is not theirs to think, it is theirs to live. (I literally mean sheep here by the way.)

Hell I have gone down the road of rationalizing eugenics to the point of questioning whether or not I am a sociopath. And then I begin to question who is to say what is a mental "disorder" and what is "order." What if more people were sociopaths in the world than the number of people that are not sociopaths. Wouldn't that make not being a sociopath become a disorder, and then suddenly sociopath would become the correct way of thought. What if this became true for any behavioral disorder, this thought has led me to one conclusion. There is no wrong or right way of thinking, there is only different. And it is no ones place to say what is wrong and right.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #354686 - 01/28/10 07:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Have you ever done a 7+ gram dose of dry cubes?


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    #354689 - 01/28/10 07:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Have you ever done a 7+ gram dose of dry cubes?



nope. :frown:
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why you ask?


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    #354694 - 01/28/10 07:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i was just curious.  What you were saying reminded me of an experience i had after eating a quarter of cubes.  i'd recommend it.  :crazy2:


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    #354706 - 01/28/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i'd recommend it.  :crazy2:




me 2  :crazy2:  :mushroom2:

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    #354725 - 01/28/10 09:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

bro you're just wrong, i don't have the time to type out a long response cuz i'm in a rush, maybe later.

There is right & there is wrong, not everything is clear-cut to which it is, but as a basic principle right and wrong do exist.

You say that what-ever people do they do because it's okay in their mind and that is a load of shit.  People don't steal because they think stealing is okay, they do it because of greed.

That doesn't make it right.

Your line of thinking basically relieves people  from taking any responsibility for their actions, which is why it is faulty.

We are responsible for our actions, period.


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    #354764 - 01/29/10 01:00 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

tl;dr
you are a scumbag
you are in no way superior to the handicapped people in what you claim

appreciate life for what it is.

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    #354815 - 01/29/10 05:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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  People don't steal because they think stealing is okay





i am guessing this was to booedock and not me but....

robin hood?

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    #354832 - 01/29/10 07:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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There is right & there is wrong, not everything is clear-cut to which it is, but as a basic principle right and wrong do exist.



But right and wrong are different for different people.

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You say that what-ever people do they do because it's okay in their mind and that is a load of shit.  People don't steal because they think stealing is okay, they do it because of greed.




Really so when my dad lost his insurance and we couldn't afford money for enough food because my moms medical bills cost over 70% of his income, I was being greedy to steal food? I wasn't just doing what I had to to fulfill the needs my body has for nutrition?

I didn't think it was wrong, in fact I viewed it as the right thing to do. I had a need for food that had no other way to be fulfilled, so I fulfilled it.

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bro you're just wrong



No I'm really not, you just can't accept the fact that everyone doesn't believe the same morality  as you. Do you think Extremest Islamic Terrorists Suicide Bombers think they are doing something wrong when they suicide bomb us? No within their minds sacrificing their lives to kill infidels and provide a sense of terror to their enemies. They feel nothing morally wrong with the issue, it is in fact the correct thing to do.

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Your line of thinking basically relieves people  from taking any responsibility for their actions, which is why it is faulty.




I never said these people shouldn't be punished, I am just saying using the term evil is wrong. They did something that society as a whole does not approve of, but the people that take an action that society doesn't approve of they obviously DO approve of. A person doesn't do things that they do not, within their own minds, completely justify.

Have I ever felt bad for stealing when I was out of money? No.
Have I ever felt bad for taking a hit of weed? No
But all of these things to society as a whole are morally wrong to do.
But to ME they are not morally wrong.

Anything that the greater mass of humans feel is morally correct, is within some individuals morally ok, or even that it does not effect morality what so ever.

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you are a scumbag
you are in no way superior to the handicapped people in what you claim

appreciate life for what it is, fgt




Well for 1: thank you for making it personal, and if mods gave a shit about the rules they would ban you for personally harassing me right in that post ^^. But I don't really give a shit what someone who won't make a logical argument for yourself.

And actually, yes I am indeed superior to mentally retarded people in the aspect that I can.

You keep trying to defend your points by using pretty abstract arguments when I am bluntly stating when I am considering this line of thinking. I think of only what is real. What physically happens something else happens. Concretely in the physical world we live in, a mentally retarded is actually less capable than me. I can work (doing a service that is required for humanity to run smoothly.) I can go to college and get a degree. (which I am) And then after I get that degree I can do a professional level job.



Explain to me how can you PROVE something to be right or wrong?
Oh yea and as before, please no abstract ideas.


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    #354850 - 01/29/10 08:53 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I could not disagree with you more on your views of disabled individuals. You seem like a really chill guy, but you're (IMO) coming off really ignorant/young in these posts.

I have a 32 yr old cousin with autism. He has the biggest heart of anyone I have ever known.  This guy can barely talk but in the course of his life he has figured out many different ways of communicating and HE does pull his weight as much as he can...but  No he can not hold a job and yes he needs to have someone with him at all times. But tell me this...why should your life be valued more than his? My cousin did not ask for his life to be like this.  He appreciates every day he is alive I can assure you of that.

There are always going to be people that can not contribute.  Just because they can't "carry" their weight doesn't mean they deserve to die.  Many just need to be shown how to live, but sadly enough most are locked up in a room...never given the chance to CONTRIBUTE.

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    #354855 - 01/29/10 09:22 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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There is right & there is wrong, not everything is clear-cut to which it is, but as a basic principle right and wrong do exist.



But right and wrong are different for different people.

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You say that what-ever people do they do because it's okay in their mind and that is a load of shit.  People don't steal because they think stealing is okay, they do it because of greed.




Really so when my dad lost his insurance and we couldn't afford money for enough food because my moms medical bills cost over 70% of his income, I was being greedy to steal food? I wasn't just doing what I had to to fulfill the needs my body has for nutrition?

I didn't think it was wrong, in fact I viewed it as the right thing to do. I had a need for food that had no other way to be fulfilled, so I fulfilled it.

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bro you're just wrong



No I'm really not, you just can't accept the fact that everyone doesn't believe the same morality  as you. Do you think Extremest Islamic Terrorists Suicide Bombers think they are doing something wrong when they suicide bomb us? No within their minds sacrificing their lives to kill infidels and provide a sense of terror to their enemies. They feel nothing morally wrong with the issue, it is in fact the correct thing to do.

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Your line of thinking basically relieves people  from taking any responsibility for their actions, which is why it is faulty.




I never said these people shouldn't be punished, I am just saying using the term evil is wrong. They did something that society as a whole does not approve of, but the people that take an action that society doesn't approve of they obviously DO approve of. A person doesn't do things that they do not, within their own minds, completely justify.

Have I ever felt bad for stealing when I was out of money? No.
Have I ever felt bad for taking a hit of weed? No
But all of these things to society as a whole are morally wrong to do.
But to ME they are not morally wrong.

Anything that the greater mass of humans feel is morally correct, is within some individuals morally ok, or even that it does not effect morality what so ever.

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you are a scumbag
you are in no way superior to the handicapped people in what you claim

appreciate life for what it is, fgt




Well for 1: thank you for making it personal, and if mods gave a shit about the rules they would ban you for personally harassing me right in that post ^^. But I don't really give a shit what someone who won't make a logical argument for yourself.

And actually, yes I am indeed superior to mentally retarded people in the aspect that I can.

You keep trying to defend your points by using pretty abstract arguments when I am bluntly stating when I am considering this line of thinking. I think of only what is real. What physically happens something else happens. Concretely in the physical world we live in, a mentally retarded is actually less capable than me. I can work (doing a service that is required for humanity to run smoothly.) I can go to college and get a degree. (which I am) And then after I get that degree I can do a professional level job.



Explain to me how can you PROVE something to be right or wrong?
Oh yea and as before, please no abstract ideas.





Answering in order:

1.  While that is true to a certain extent most cultures have rules and boundaries on cold-blooded murder/rape.  These guidelines are almost universal to human culture.

2.  That is one example in a sea of many.  There are plenty of people who steal, ect not because they think it's right but because they've weighed the reward vs. the potential consequences.  Others do it for reason that have little to do with the possession it self but rather the act of stealing.

3.  I also disagree with the term evil however your thought flow of, "In the person's mind it okay', is faulty.  There are plenty of people who do things they know are wrong simply because they've weighed the consequences.  Some can't control themselves, Jeffery Dalmer reported great anxiety about the thoughts in his head ect.  He couldn't stop having them and they caused him a great deal of anxiety and remorse.  He's not evil but his acts are linked to something other than his personal reasoning of right and wrong.

4 &5.  Again I would say certain aspects of society are universal.  I can't think of a society where rape, murder or stealing isn't punishable in some way if it's an act committed against the group.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #354884 - 01/29/10 11:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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you are in no way superior to the handicapped people in what you claim

appreciate life for what it is.




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    you are in no way superior to the handicapped people in what you claim

    appreciate life for what it is, fgt



Well for 1: thank you for making it personal, and if mods gave a shit about the rules they would ban you for personally harassing me right in that post ^^. But I don't really give a shit what someone who won't make a logical argument for yourself.

And actually, yes I am indeed superior to mentally retarded people in the aspect that I can.

You keep trying to defend your points by using pretty abstract arguments when I am bluntly stating when I am considering this line of thinking. I think of only what is real. What physically happens something else happens. Concretely in the physical world we live in, a mentally retarded is actually less capable than me. I can work (doing a service that is required for humanity to run smoothly.) I can go to college and get a degree. (which I am) And then after I get that degree I can do a professional level job.





I'll deal with bob no worries.

But get real man, mentally handicap have just as much right to life as all of us.

Hell after reading this thread I see tons of disrespect and harassment.

Maybe this is to personal for me being I'm fucking handicap /blind/ and have known tons of mentally handicap people, most of which are way better with numbers than the average person.

So enjoy putting people down whom can't defend themselves just proves how sad of a person you really are.:yesnod:

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    #354892 - 01/29/10 11:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

LOL this is in TSL?!

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    #354897 - 01/29/10 12:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I know and the flamer was banned.

Just made a few good points is all I did.

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    #354898 - 01/29/10 12:06 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

First Farmer Joe

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He has the biggest heart



My argument isn't talking about abstract ideas.

Having heart doesn't mean anything to me. Does having heart create anything for mankind? Mankind needs to be EFFICIENT. And having a sector of the workforce being individuals that supervise people that cant work isn't efficient at all.

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why should your life be valued more than his



Because, "he can not hold a job and yes he needs to have someone with him at all times"; I can actually go out and create goods for the economy. Or get a college education.

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Just because they can't "carry" their weight doesn't mean they deserve to die.




Actually in my opinion yes it does.

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Many just need to be shown how to live, but sadly enough most are locked up in a room...never given the chance to CONTRIBUTE.




Actually I am for the use of individuals that can contribute. I am certain there are jobs that certain mentally handicapped people would not only do well, but excel. I only want ones that can truely be said to be without a hope to become a productive human being.


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1.  While that is true to a certain extent most cultures have rules and boundaries on cold-blooded murder/rape.  These guidelines are almost universal to human culture.




But there are individuals who don't view it as wrong. That proves that morality isn't set in stone. All of our moralities are different from each other, and there are probably some of us that have radically different moralities on certain issues. So if a person doesn't think it is immoral to kill some, what makes it wrong?

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2.  That is one example in a sea of many.  There are plenty of people who steal, ect not because they think it's right but because they've weighed the reward vs. the potential consequences.  Others do it for reason that have little to do with the possession it self but rather the act of stealing.



But if they think it is worth it, doesn't that mean that it seems to be the correct action to take according to them.

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3.  I also disagree with the term evil however your thought flow of, "In the person's mind it okay', is faulty.  There are plenty of people who do things they know are wrong simply because they've weighed the consequences.  Some can't control themselves, Jeffery Dalmer reported great anxiety about the thoughts in his head ect.  He couldn't stop having them and they caused him a great deal of anxiety and remorse.  He's not evil but his acts are linked to something other than his personal reasoning of right and wrong.



I didn't mean so much okay, I was kinda high when I typed that one and just started ranting.

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4 &5.  Again I would say certain aspects of society are universal.  I can't think of a society where rape, murder or stealing isn't punishable in some way if it's an act committed against the group.



still, morality is not the same for everyone though. I am certain some people don't think rape is wrong. I am certain some people don't think murder is wrong, and I am certain some people think steal isn't wrong.


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    #354900 - 01/29/10 12:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.

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    #354901 - 01/29/10 12:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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you are in no way superior to the handicapped people in what you claim

appreciate life for what it is.




QFT

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    you are in no way superior to the handicapped people in what you claim

    appreciate life for what it is, fgt



Well for 1: thank you for making it personal, and if mods gave a shit about the rules they would ban you for personally harassing me right in that post ^^. But I don't really give a shit what someone who won't make a logical argument for yourself.

And actually, yes I am indeed superior to mentally retarded people in the aspect that I can.

You keep trying to defend your points by using pretty abstract arguments when I am bluntly stating when I am considering this line of thinking. I think of only what is real. What physically happens something else happens. Concretely in the physical world we live in, a mentally retarded is actually less capable than me. I can work (doing a service that is required for humanity to run smoothly.) I can go to college and get a degree. (which I am) And then after I get that degree I can do a professional level job.





I'll deal with bob no worries.

But get real man, mentally handicap have just as much right to life as all of us.

Hell after reading this thread I see tons of disrespect and harassment.

Maybe this is to personal for me being I'm fucking handicap /blind/ and have known tons of mentally handicap people, most of which are way better with numbers than the average person.

So enjoy putting people down whom can't defend themselves just proves how sad of a person you really are.:yesnod:

You do this and cry over bob taking a small shot at you that's funny.




I really didn't want him banned :rofl: I was kinda joking, i don't really care if I get flamed anymore. Especially not in this thread. I understand why it is a topic people could get angry about it.

I was just saying mods don't usually deal with that small of a thing.

And I don't mind handicapped people that can work.
But realistically speaking if everyone who could not work was no longer around;

Everyone in the world would be able bodied,a there wouldn't be people working as just being a persons keeper.

Can you tell me a in a world where everyone in the world was able bodied would be worse that one where some people can't do a job at all, and would actually require someone else to have a unproductive job for society.


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    #354902 - 01/29/10 12:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.



Exactly!

He doesn't get that mental handicap people create jobs, putting them to death means even more care givers out of work.:yesnod:

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    #354903 - 01/29/10 12:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed.

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    #354904 - 01/29/10 12:16 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.




No I wouldn't.
I think it would be great for the world if it happened, for the world really be a more efficient place. And for the betterment of mankind it would be the best thought ever. But I would never allow something like this to be implemented. It would be a horrible thing. (although if I became mentally handicapped I want to die.) You can look at the benefits of an idea without wanting their actual use.


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    #354905 - 01/29/10 12:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.



Exactly!

He doesn't get that mental handicap people create jobs, putting them to death means even more care givers out of work.:yesnod:




But in my opinion being a care giver is the most worthless thing a person could do with their life.

The don't do anything good for society at all.


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    #354907 - 01/29/10 12:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Yea the real world.

I don't care how far you go someone is always looking after you.

Examples parents, bosses, and government.

You want to talk about something meaning full what should we do with all the well bodied people who sit at home refuse to work.

These are the ones who truly hold back the rest of the people of the world.

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    #354909 - 01/29/10 12:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.



Exactly!

He doesn't get that mental handicap people create jobs, putting them to death means even more care givers out of work.:yesnod:




But in my opinion being a care giver is the most worthless thing a person could do with their life.

The don't do anything good for society at all.



In that case hope you never have an accident and need one.

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    #354910 - 01/29/10 12:24 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Can you tell me a in a world where everyone in the world was able bodied would be worse that one where some people can't do a job at all, and would actually require someone else to have a unproductive job for socie




Yea the real world.

I don't care how far you go someone is always looking after you.

Examples parents, bosses, and government.

You want to talk about something meaning full what should we do with all the fell bodied people who sit at home refuse to work.

These are the ones who truly hold back the rest of the people of the world.




I personally encourage some enticement method to get those people working.

I have contemplated this many times think government tax breaks to those who find a new job after being laid off/losing a job for the first year after they get a full time job. But I don't really think it would work, just the only idea I could think of.

I also believe the legalization of some drugs would cause a large sector of jobs to open up.


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    #354911 - 01/29/10 12:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.



Exactly!

He doesn't get that mental handicap people create jobs, putting them to death means even more care givers out of work.:yesnod:




But in my opinion being a care giver is the most worthless thing a person could do with their life.

The don't do anything good for society at all.



In that case hope you never have an accident and need one.




I would hope by then suicide is legal.
I believe every individual in the world has a right to death. If they truely wish for it, they should be allowed it. Painlessly as well if wished.


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    #354912 - 01/29/10 12:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Not trying to make it personak and feel free to tell me to fuckoff but what condition is your mom in? Does she "contribute" to society?(in a non abstract way of course). And what about when you want to retire and aren't being efficient anymore, kill yourself?


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    #354913 - 01/29/10 12:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.




No I wouldn't.
I think it would be great for the world if it happened, for the world really be a more efficient place. And for the betterment of mankind it would be the best thought ever. But I would never allow something like this to be implemented. It would be a horrible thing. (although if I became mentally handicapped I want to die.) You can look at the benefits of an idea without wanting their actual use.




So if your child was mentally handicapped and unable to take care of him/herself you WOULD feel that they deserve to live? Just want you to confrim this.


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    #354914 - 01/29/10 12:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I also believe the legalization of some drugs would cause a large sector of jobs to open up.




I could see some job opening if that were to happen, not much as much as is needed now, tho.

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    #354915 - 01/29/10 12:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Not trying to make it personak and feel free to tell me to fuckoff but what condition is your mom in? Does she "contribute" to society?(in a non abstract way of course). And what about when you want to retire and aren't being efficient anymore, kill yourself?



One of the reasons I could never support the idea personally. Only when I look at the ends can I justify my means. So yea, you got me I don't support it really happening. But I see it as being good for mankind.


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    #354916 - 01/29/10 12:34 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So if you had a child who was mentally handicapped you would put him to death? I doubt it highly.




No I wouldn't.
I think it would be great for the world if it happened, for the world really be a more efficient place. And for the betterment of mankind it would be the best thought ever. But I would never allow something like this to be implemented. It would be a horrible thing. (although if I became mentally handicapped I want to die.) You can look at the benefits of an idea without wanting their actual use.




So if your child was mentally handicapped and unable to take care of him/herself you WOULD feel that they deserve to live? Just want you to confrim this.



yes

I am just argueing all the benefits there would be, I am a person that uses their emotions. Sometimes I like to just think logically down some thought without letting anything like emotions.


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    #354918 - 01/29/10 12:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I also believe the legalization of some drugs would cause a large sector of jobs to open up.




I could see some job opening if that were to happen, not much as much as is needed now, tho.



Yea, but every bit helps. I figure it will be a considerable ammount though. Think of it this way, the drug trade would now be in corperations, and they would be publicly traded and have stock to invest in.

Society is more prone to drug use during a depression than any other time, so it would help encourage job growth.


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    #354958 - 01/29/10 02:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

There is more to society than efficiency.  Art, music, love; these things are not created efficiently.  Do they have a place in society?  Do they really advance us all that more?  You might as well lump the creatives in with the mentally challenged, for their advancement of society in the way it seems you are talking about is non-existent.


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    #354983 - 01/29/10 03:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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There is more to society than efficiency.  Art, music, love; these things are not created efficiently.  Do they have a place in society?  Do they really advance us all that more?  You might as well lump the creatives in with the mentally challenged, for their advancement of society in the way it seems you are talking about is non-existent.




wait... what do you mean Art, and music are not created efficiently?

Their place in society is as an art form.

They are a required commodity in the modern world.


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    #355005 - 01/29/10 05:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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There is more to society than efficiency.  Art, music, love; these things are not created efficiently.  Do they have a place in society?  Do they really advance us all that more?  You might as well lump the creatives in with the mentally challenged, for their advancement of society in the way it seems you are talking about is non-existent.




wait... what do you mean Art, and music are not created efficiently?

Their place in society is as an art form.

They are a required commodity in the modern world.



nope.  By your own logic art is a frivolity, it doesn't do anything to advance society, therefore eliminating it would greatly benefit the human race, you can't have it both was.

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1.  While that is true to a certain extent most cultures have rules and boundaries on cold-blooded murder/rape.  These guidelines are almost universal to human culture.




But there are individuals who don't view it as wrong. That proves that morality isn't set in stone. All of our moralities are different from each other, and there are probably some of us that have radically different moralities on certain issues. So if a person doesn't think it is immoral to kill some, what makes it wrong?

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2.  That is one example in a sea of many.  There are plenty of people who steal, ect not because they think it's right but because they've weighed the reward vs. the potential consequences.  Others do it for reason that have little to do with the possession it self but rather the act of stealing.



But if they think it is worth it, doesn't that mean that it seems to be the correct action to take according to them.


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4 &5.  Again I would say certain aspects of society are universal.  I can't think of a society where rape, murder or stealing isn't punishable in some way if it's an act committed against the group.



still, morality is not the same for everyone though. I am certain some people don't think rape is wrong. I am certain some people don't think murder is wrong, and I am certain some people think steal isn't wrong.




And your point that moralilty being different among cultures doesn't mean morality is that variable.  It
is to some extent variable, but not to the extent you are claiming.  The cultures who think its okay to murder, i'm unaware of any, but if there are just because they don't have these rules it doesn't mean any murders they commit is okay.  That's hogwash.

These people are simply succumbing to their animal instincts and shunning their powers of reason that makes them unique in this world.  Morality is simply an extension of reason. 

We've come to realize that there are certain universal standards of behavior, that if adhered to allow us in society to feel safe, secure, and to live our lives, and live in the kind of society we have where we are not constantly have to defend the food and goods we have from rivals who would steal from us.  In return for the implicit trust that people will not steal from us, we do not steal from them.

Morality is simply an extension of reason in which standards of behavior that allow us all to flourish are laid out.  Everyone has the innate ability to it, though some may choose to ignore it.

You talk so much about advancing society and only keeping people around if they are worth it, well how about keeping moral standards around because without some sense of morality in life, without some sense of respect for other's liberty and property there is no way we would have advanced this far.  We would still be living off the land, and stealing food and property from each other by force.

We simply cannot advance as a society, without having some groundwork, some sort of rules and morality that allows us to flourish.


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    #355009 - 01/29/10 05:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You still haven't told me how a world without mentally retarded people would be better than one with.

You can argue about my reasoning all you want, but I'm still right that the world would be more efficient without them.

And also, it is a flaw in my opinion that humanity thinks we are better than animals. Since we are just animals.

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So enjoy putting people down whom can't defend themselves just proves how sad of a person you really are




Stoney I didn't put them down, I just called the mentally retarded what they are.


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    #355010 - 01/29/10 05:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

we are animals but we have mental capablities that set us apart.  It's true they are the only thing that sets us apart, but its big enough.  We have more power on this world than any species and alos more responsiblity.

You can't logically argue we are no different from animals, when we possess such reasoning ability.  That's what sets us apart from animals and is what sets our standards of behavior apart from animals.


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    #355012 - 01/29/10 05:24 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Back to my original story; he messaged a whole lot of people and called me a douchbag stoner.

Time to make a non threatening angry phone call.

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After I called him he se "I'll stop my shit. I'm sorry. It won't happen again."


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    #355110 - 01/29/10 09:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.




QFT i just ignore the ignorant.


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    #355393 - 01/30/10 11:28 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.




QFT i just ignore the ignorant.




He was hurting the feelings of some of my friends and acting like it was no big deal.

I don't like people that act like they are better than me, or my friends. And if nobody else is going to take action, I will.


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    #355504 - 01/30/10 02:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a lot of sympathy for the blind.  brush it off man.  People are so stupid it's not worth the time sometimes.




QFT i just ignore the ignorant.




He was hurting the feelings of some of my friends and acting like it was no big deal.

I don't like people that act like they are better than me, or my friends. And if nobody else is going to take action, I will.




Im with ya, im just sayin i don't pay attention to ignorant people in general but i'm not a pushover.


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    #355643 - 01/30/10 07:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

how can you say you dont like people who think they are better than others when you think handicap people should be put out isnt that pretty much sayin hey im normal your not so i should live and you should die basically sayin im better than you can anyone say hypocrite i mean for real bra??? they didnt choose to be that way

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    #355959 - 01/31/10 09:34 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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how can you say you dont like people who think they are better than others when you think handicap people should be put out isnt that pretty much sayin hey im normal your not so i should live and you should die basically sayin im better than you can anyone say hypocrite i mean for real bra??? they didnt choose to be that way




Because I don't think I am better, I just think to live you need to pull your own weight.

I don't hate them for being what they are, they just are.  You don't have to have negative feelings to want someone dead, you just have to realize their life won't be productive in the greater scheme of things.


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    #356000 - 01/31/10 12:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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how can you say you dont like people who think they are better than others when you think handicap people should be put out isnt that pretty much sayin hey im normal your not so i should live and you should die basically sayin im better than you can anyone say hypocrite i mean for real bra??? they didnt choose to be that way




Because I don't think I am better, I just think to live you need to pull your own weight.

I don't hate them for being what they are, they just are.  You don't have to have negative feelings to want someone dead, you just have to realize their life won't be productive in the greater scheme of things.





dome or not, that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my life.

you're basically saying a handicap person, physically, mentally, whatever, won't be productive.

let's say, hypothetically speaking, a very intelligent, physically fit person hurts himself playing flag football in the park with some friends and now he's paralyzed from the waist down. now he is handicapped, but his brain is fine and he's still very intelligent. you're saying he can't be productive at all in society?????????? and couldn't teach people, (LIKE YOURSELF) things about life? because he has a whole new perspective on it. or become a teacher, or professor. he could still be a very productive member of society.  i'm glad you didn't say this in person around me because i would've beaten you unconscious. you got a lot to learn bro, about life in general. maybe you wouldn't think the same way if you had a son or daughter with a disability.

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    #356012 - 01/31/10 01:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

^sounds appropriate to me.  :shrug:

stephen hawking and many many other very productive disabled people have advanced our sciences and knowledge.  But we should have killed all them off years ago, that's what you're telling us?  Don't even give them a chance?  I can understand your thought process for a person who is a vegetable and can't communicate with the outside world, like the cousin i mentioned earlier.  I work in the worker's compensation industry and I deal with disabled individuals day in and day out.  Most of them are in lower waged jobs and have very poor skillsets so when they have a severe disability it really really limits the amount of jobs that are available to them.  So re-education is a must and we our state has a dept of vocational rehab for just those individuals, whether they be paralyzed from the neck down or simply can't lift 20 lbs over their head.  Anyway, my point is potential and eliminating the potential of these disabled individuals, in the name of a more perfect species.  We need another solution for the population problem.  Voluntary sterilization programs and so forth.  I mean, i think that's far more important than perfecting the species.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #356245 - 01/31/10 11:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

stephen hawking is a great example.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #356744 - 02/02/10 06:37 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I was specifically talking about mentally retarded people that cannot work. I just got tired of describing those specifics.

And you can troll me all you want, but people agree with me. It's just differing viewpoints. I can pull my weight and they can't. To me it is just that simple that I should be around and they shouldn't. You can tell me I am wrong, but I am just being a pragmatist.

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dome or not,ban, whatever, i don't care.




To bad I haven't done anything ban worthy.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #356745 - 02/02/10 06:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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stephen hawking is a great example.




To bad if you would of read the whole thread, you would understand Stephen Hawking is still able to do work.

The entire time I have been making this argument it has been about mentally retarded individuals that can't work.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #356777 - 02/02/10 10:37 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Thebooedocksaint said:
I was specifically talking about mentally retarded people that cannot work. I just got tired of describing those specifics.

And you can troll me all you want, but people agree with me. It's just differing viewpoints. I can pull my weight and they can't. To me it is just that simple that I should be around and they shouldn't. You can tell me I am wrong, but I am just being a pragmatist.

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dome or not,ban, whatever, i don't care.




To bad I haven't done anything ban worthy.





i was talking about myself. sounds like you might be retarded.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #356813 - 02/02/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

lol, zing


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Doitagain]
    #356873 - 02/02/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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FarBeyondDriven said:
Quote:

Thebooedocksaint said:
I was specifically talking about mentally retarded people that cannot work. I just got tired of describing those specifics.

And you can troll me all you want, but people agree with me. It's just differing viewpoints. I can pull my weight and they can't. To me it is just that simple that I should be around and they shouldn't. You can tell me I am wrong, but I am just being a pragmatist.

Quote:

dome or not,ban, whatever, i don't care.




To bad I haven't done anything ban worthy.





i was talking about myself. sounds like you might be retarded.



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Oh, lol I might be.

Who knows.
lol, zing




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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #356878 - 02/02/10 04:07 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Thebooedocksaint said:
Quote:

FarBeyondDriven said:
Quote:

Thebooedocksaint said:
I was specifically talking about mentally retarded people that cannot work. I just got tired of describing those specifics.

And you can troll me all you want, but people agree with me. It's just differing viewpoints. I can pull my weight and they can't. To me it is just that simple that I should be around and they shouldn't. You can tell me I am wrong, but I am just being a pragmatist.

Quote:

dome or not,ban, whatever, i don't care.




To bad I haven't done anything ban worthy.





i was talking about myself. sounds like you might be retarded.



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Doitagain said:
Oh, lol I might be.

Who knows.
lol, zing









:rofl2:

LMAO i was talking about you saint.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #356885 - 02/02/10 04:34 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Thebooedocksaint said:
Quote:

FarBeyondDriven said:
Quote:

Thebooedocksaint said:
I was specifically talking about mentally retarded people that cannot work. I just got tired of describing those specifics.

And you can troll me all you want, but people agree with me. It's just differing viewpoints. I can pull my weight and they can't. To me it is just that simple that I should be around and they shouldn't. You can tell me I am wrong, but I am just being a pragmatist.

Quote:

dome or not,ban, whatever, i don't care.




To bad I haven't done anything ban worthy.





i was talking about myself. sounds like you might be retarded.



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Doitagain said:
Oh, lol I might be.

Who knows.
lol, zing









:rofl2:

LMAO i was talking about you saint.

I meant to say "Oh, lol I might be." in my own space.

But I'm high right now. And Modern Warfare is calling my name.


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
    #356916 - 02/02/10 06:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

:facepalm:  fuckin stoners.  :lol:


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Re: This motherfucker [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #356955 - 02/02/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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:facepalm:  fuckin stoners.  :lol:




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