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LSD as medicine!
    #309337 - 11/03/09 09:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nat.Geo is playing a show up next about the use and testing being done on LSD as a medication!


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #309342 - 11/03/09 09:30 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

my buddy is recording this on tivo, gonna watch it with him in a day or two with a fat bowl.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: coda]
    #309345 - 11/03/09 09:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I take LSD medicinally :tripping:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309370 - 11/03/09 10:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

MAPS.ORG!

click the eyes below!  donate! 

Frankly put, the future of the legalization and normalization of these drugs lies in this science that's being funded by maps and other excellent organizations.  We should all be supporting them heavily.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309388 - 11/03/09 10:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

also, thanks for posting this!  I didn't know about it and saw this just a few minutes after it started.

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this is an amazing show so far.  I am very impressed. 


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309398 - 11/03/09 10:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I'm watching it as well. Seems pretty well put together and accurate so far.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #309401 - 11/03/09 10:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Whoosh i thought i was to late. Just flipped it on! :lsd: Free Samples?


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #309419 - 11/03/09 10:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

DAMN IT I DONT HAVE THAT CHANNEL! :kingcrankey:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Triptonic]
    #309457 - 11/03/09 11:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Was a pretty interesting show! :thumbup:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #309458 - 11/03/09 11:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Frontline is on now...The Medicated Child.

Let's put our bipolar 5 year old on 8 different antipsychotic medications!


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309460 - 11/03/09 11:21 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So how was it?


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309462 - 11/03/09 11:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm, i got local broadcasting...so it BBC news hour.:shrug:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Triptonic]
    #309541 - 11/04/09 12:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #309544 - 11/04/09 12:57 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Oh shank you vurry mush.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Triptonic]
    #309551 - 11/04/09 01:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I want some of that guys acid.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: 81renaissance]
    #309555 - 11/04/09 01:17 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

NIC SAND!!! I listen to his speeches on my podcasts!!! but ive never seen him before, let alone telelvision!!@@ :vaped: :bobmarley:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #309579 - 11/04/09 02:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Wow.  That was fucking awesome.  I should be getting some of that tomorrow if things work out.  A fellow Growerite helped me out... well I think.

I can't wait to have a mindblowing acid trip.  Is it really that great guys?!?!?!


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Inverted]
    #309629 - 11/04/09 06:54 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:grin: :yesnod:


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: THEBats]
    #309703 - 11/04/09 12:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

There definatley has to be some important uses for that drug!

I want some badly too! I have not been able to find shit out here for acid. Think ima save my money and go to BurningMan with a pocket full of cash. Come back with a butt load of liquid and get this island trippin!!:lol:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #309705 - 11/04/09 01:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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There definatley has to be some important uses for that drug!

I want some badly too! I have not been able to find shit out here for acid. Think ima save my money and go to BurningMan with a pocket full of cash. Come back with a butt load of liquid and get this island trippin!!:lol:




Mmmm i've never really tripped before but that still sounds good.

Hopefully i'll do it around the weekend.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Inverted]
    #309715 - 11/04/09 01:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

lsd is certainly good.  just be on the lookout for DOX's.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: THEBats]
    #309717 - 11/04/09 01:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

As in avoid them or try to attain them!?

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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: THEBats]
    #309719 - 11/04/09 01:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I got a dose of blotter a few years back out here that i am thinking was NOT acid. It was plain white blotter paper, no design. It was either the weakest blotter i ever had done, or it was not acid? It was a weird come up, i usually get all giggly on the come up after not dosing in a long time. This had more a weird euphoria and short acting!

So i think it has been about 5 years now since i have had any good trips on the cid. Thank god the mushies grow wild out here.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #309729 - 11/04/09 01:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

well I guess it's up to you but there have been more and more occurances of people trying to pass DOX chemicals off as lsd.  those drugs are not too pleasant for me.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #309731 - 11/04/09 01:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like you just got a really low dose of acid man. Most acid imitation rc's last about twice as long and have a VERY distinct taste.

LSD = tasteless or at most a very slight metallic taste

DOx = EXTREMELY bitter like stinging your tongue as soon as it touches. Kinda like licking a 9 volt battery.


but hey some (albeit very few) research chemicals are actually worth the experience. I had one of the greatest trips of my life on DOC and I've eaten LSD more times than I could possibly count. DOC is the only DOx I've thoroughly enjoyed but the world of 4-substituted tryptamines is definitely well worth exploring as well.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: THEBats]
    #309733 - 11/04/09 01:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My opinion is that if i am in the market for acid/lsd then that's what i want and if i am paying for it, that better be what i get.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #309737 - 11/04/09 01:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

that's the sad thing though.  some kids just assume that if it comes on paper and it makes you trip it's acid.  "acid" is almost becoming the new "ecstasy."  well, maybe not that bad but the drug is certainly having a problem of being misrepresented.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309739 - 11/04/09 01:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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sounds like you just got a really low dose of acid man. Most acid imitation rc's last about twice as long and have a VERY distinct taste.

LSD = tasteless or at most a very slight metallic taste

DOx = EXTREMELY bitter like stinging your tongue as soon as it touches. Kinda like licking a 9 volt battery.


but hey some (albeit very few) research chemicals are actually worth the experience. I had one of the greatest trips of my life on DOC and I've eaten LSD more times than I could possibly count. DOC is the only DOx I've thoroughly enjoyed but the world of 4-substituted tryptamines is definitely well worth exploring as well.




FUCK THAT'S WHAT I GOT!!!!!

This kid told me it was acid at a festival and I had never tried acid so I thought the taste of putting your fucking tongue on a BATTERY was normal!!!  No wonder why I tripped complete fucking nuts for about 30 hours.... fuck that I never want to do that again.  The legit single dose I took of acid was good, just not strong enough.  Only lasted about 6-8 hours.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Inverted]
    #309740 - 11/04/09 01:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Man I'm just going to have to help all of you guys out.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309741 - 11/04/09 01:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Man I'm just going to have to help all of you guys out.




:lol:

Please do explain...  :pm: ?


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309742 - 11/04/09 02:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Happy Happy, Joy joy, happy happy , joy joy!

Last really good trip i had i watched Ren and Stimpy show! It was so intense i melted in my couch. Then ren and stimpy were chasing this little red tooth root around. This little red squigly was so freaking vivid and trippy, i had to get up and get away from it! :lol:

Pink sperm was the shit! Me and a friend had bought almost a sheet between us and tripped for weeks. Then discided it was time to sell the rest before we became legally insane...LMAO!


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Inverted]
    #309743 - 11/04/09 02:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hey man I just hand out advice :grin:


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    #309744 - 11/04/09 02:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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SpaceMonkey said:Then discided it was time to sell the rest before we became legally insane...LMAO!





crazy people are awesome  :prance:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309748 - 11/04/09 02:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Some one told me back in the day that if a person has taken 5 hits of acid over the course of their lives, they are considered legally insane!

Anyone else hear anything like this?


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    #309750 - 11/04/09 02:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Some one told me back in the day that if a person has taken 5 hits of acid over the course of their lives, they are considered legally insane!

Anyone else hear anything like this?





Yep, but I heard it was 3 hits of acid, and 5 or 6 shroom trips...

Who knows if that shits real.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Inverted]
    #309752 - 11/04/09 02:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It's not.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: THEBats]
    #309761 - 11/04/09 02:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Its the same propaganda bullshit as the dude who thinks he's a glass of orange juice

or the dude who stared at the sun too long and went blind

or the blue star tattoo given out on halloween

it's all completely made up and much of it has been traced back to their originators and admitted to be falsehoods yet the fear campaign lives on



I've eaten hundreds of hits and I'm still mostly sane  :kingtard:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309763 - 11/04/09 02:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

oh and theres no defining line between sane and insane

we're all a little bit of both and I read a very interesting article a while back suggesting that there are two ends of the spectrum; autism and schizophrenia. males are more genetically prone to autistic features and females to schizo but we all have varying aspects of both (duality).

frankly, I'd much rather be "crazy" than normal :shrug:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309766 - 11/04/09 02:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Define Normal?


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: SpaceMonkey]
    #309768 - 11/04/09 02:36 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Precisely :wink:


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: Inverted]
    #309778 - 11/04/09 03:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Some one told me back in the day that if a person has taken 5 hits of acid over the course of their lives, they are considered legally insane!

Anyone else hear anything like this?





Yep, but I heard it was 3 hits of acid, and 5 or 6 shroom trips...

Who knows if that shits real.





Psychedelics provide a state of temporary insanity.  That's why when you OD on acid (or have a bad trip) they give you Thorazine, which is an anti-psychotic.  There are all sorts of myths about these drugs.  it's our responsibility (and obligation imo) to preach the truth to the ignorant. 

You guys haven't read chinacat's thumbprint thread, have ya?  Or his lsd crytalization thread.  that shit is a damn good read!  Also, i thought you had tripped many times before inverted.  I thought i read that somewhere.  Ehh, i've never tripped acid either.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309784 - 11/04/09 03:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Okay well that theory about psychedelics providing a state of model psychosis was disproven back in the early 70's. Using LSD as a temporary psychosis to study schizophrenics was one of the first applied medicinal practices of the substance but was ultimately one of the reasons to discontinue medical uses because it didn't work as desired.

Thorazine will end your trip but only because it's an SSRI (serotonin re-uptake inhibitor) and any SSRI such as Risperdol, Paxil, or Zoloft will do the trick. Barbituates will dull the trip down to manageable levels if you're freaking out but wont entirely kill it like SSRI's. Speaking from experience (not my own but an ambulance came and picked up a dude off my drive-way) they don't give you thorazine (or any SSRI for that matter) when you're tripping. Medical practitioners these days are wise enough to know just to let it take it's course. As far as I know thorazine is mainly used as a sedative when people in custody are acting violently.

and to be quite honest I'm a bit tired of hearing people constantly referring to chinacat's threads. It's a good read but it's still all only anecdotal.

psychedelics provide a temporary state of sanity, provided the person is of good mind to begin with. I don't think anyone ever goes truly "insane" they just lose the ability to formally communicate with most people and it's easier just to label them than to try and understand them. To trip is just to go back to your inner-child before you were conditioned by the world.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309787 - 11/04/09 03:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:  Chinacat's thread is a great read man.  He can only speak to his own experience which he does in great detail.  Most people i have talked with about it have really enjoyed it.  I have experienced the temporary insanity provided by a 7 gram mushroom trip.  It's def. a state of insanity.  That's beyond dispute to me, because i have experienced it and written about it quite extensively.  psychedelics are ultimately just a tool we use to explore realms of consciousness that aren't accessible any other way.  A wonderful tool at that.  We don't need to argue semantics here.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309788 - 11/04/09 03:54 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

semantics or conversation?

I mean like.. insanity is all relevant you know? What's crazy to you might be normal to me. There is a method to the madness and just because our average minds may not perceive doesn't mean it is pure insanity.

Chinacat's threads are a great read and I've gone through them several times myself but he's still only one person out of thousands.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309789 - 11/04/09 03:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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psychedelics are ultimately just a tool we use to explore realms of consciousness that aren't accessible any other way.  A wonderful tool at that.




yes they are keys that unlock what are already within our own minds but they are definitely not the only way. Meditation can actually provide all that these chemicals bring and more.

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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #309923 - 11/04/09 09:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've heard that before but wiht a bit different wording.  It was something like you use LSD to peak up to the top of the mountain but use the remainder of your life trying to access that place without the drug.  Or something thereabouts.  Can't comment on that too much as ive never experienced it.  But i am pretty sure that not everyone has the ability to reach those kinds of mental states without the use of the drug.  I wonder how many people claim to be devout meditators but only close their eyes and think they are getting there.  I think the number of people who actually reach enlightenment through meditation is beyond minuscule.  Personally, I have never been able to center myself through meditiation.  Perhaps because I am just ignorant and have no training or really made any effort to dive into meditative or zen studies.  The human mind is a fascinating object and I wish I knew more about.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309961 - 11/04/09 10:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

FB: A couple of books that might help with your meditation (that is, if you're interested) are Be Here Now by the above-quoted Ram Dass, and for specifically buddhist meditation: Zen Mind Beginner's Mind which is a fantastic instructional guide to both the practices AND the reasoning behind meditation. The latter was very helpful to me.


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: 81renaissance]
    #309966 - 11/04/09 10:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the heads up!  I've heard of the first one but not the second.  I'd really love how to perform tantric sex.  you know anything about that?


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Re: LSD as medicine! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #309973 - 11/04/09 10:30 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My girl is currently too impatient to practice tantric sex; that shit is a MAJOR commitment!
I've glanced at some articles, but I can't really help you.

I have heard that it is INCREDIBLE if you have the patience to study it, and I like the idea of spiritual sex as opposed to some of the other Indian disciplines that preach that desire is a weakness that we can overcome through spirituality.


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