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Start from scratch grow guide......
    #234914 - 06/01/09 11:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so i saw there was no basic startup guide here, so i thought i would start from scratch and help get a basic guide started.
Here is the process for germinating new seeds. Once you do this, it is usually best to keep a mother plant around to pull clones from. This way you speed up production!!!:grin:
Hope it helps: :rasta: lilmafia

Marijuana seeds require moisture, warmth and darkness for successful germination.
We recommend you use clean water. (The best to use is distilled water!). Most municipal water supplies have clean,
pH neutral water that is very suitable for germination. A small amount of chlorination is beneficial for killing a lot of the parasites in the water. If the local water supply is not of good enough quality to drink then don't use it to germinate seeds.
Bottled spring water, without additives or carbonation, is usually a good source of water for germination.

For best germination results, put the seeds on clean soaked paper-towel, room temperature water. Cover the seeds with a layer of soaked paper towel. The seeds should be left to soak in a dark warm place (65 - 80 degrees F or 18.5 C - 26.5 C). A kitchen cupboard is usually suitable, or on top of the fridge. Check the seeds about every 12 hours. If the paper towels feel a little dry spray with a little water.

Usually within 48 hours the seeds swell and split their outer seed casings. DO NOT continue soaking after the white, initial roots are visible at the crack in the seed casings. The seeds are ready to plant at this point. Soaking the seeds until the roots are exposed can result in stressful, early root damage.
Plant the seeds in a clean, pH balanced medium. The medium should be loose and light with very good drainage.
We recommend a blend of Perlite, vermiculite, and soil. Or just the perlite and vermiculite for hempy growers.

Marijuana seeds should be planted about 1/4 to 1/2 inch deep in containers at least 4 inches deep to allow the initial tap root to grow straight down. The container should have drainage holes to prevent drowning the seeding. The medium or soil should be thoroughly damp, but not soaked. High humidity is essential to good germination rates.
Keep the planted seeds covered with clear plastic. Place the planted seeds under horticultural lights or a cold frame in a warm humid environment, (20 - 25 degrees C / 67 - 78 degrees F).
Remove plastic covers, once the marijuana sprouts have cleared the soil surface and the first true serrate leaves are forming. Keep medium or soil damp and fertilized with quarter to half strength vegetative fertilizer during this stage and watch'em grow.
Note* Some varieties of seeds will not germinate at room temperature but germinate fine at 90 degrees, about 20 degrees higher than room temperature.
Note* NEVER, NEVER LET THE SEEDS DRY OUT!! Do not use bleach or mix bleach with the water.
** USING BLEACH WILL KILL YOUR SEEDS


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: lilmafia513]
    #234917 - 06/01/09 11:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Very Helpful. :thumbup:


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #234918 - 06/01/09 12:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Very Helpful. :thumbup:




Hey thanks man! Stick around theres more to come if i can figure out how to use this new site..LOL!!

Now the most important part of the grow for me is checking the PH every time you do anything that involves water going on your plants.

Here is a guide to help you see what the plant uses at the PH levels, and also where it uses nothing at. It shows both hydro and soil, and yes i'm sorry it is all crazy colors..LOL!!! Enjoy!

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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: lilmafia513]
    #234919 - 06/01/09 12:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm still a noob at growing myself.

But yeah every little piece of info helps.

What i was hoping you will do is continue from the seeds and go into the next stage.


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: lilmafia513]
    #234921 - 06/01/09 12:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Once you have a grasp on measuring and properly adjusting the PH levels of your water, you can next try to understand the TDS meter. I prefer not to use one, because i dont understand them. But that should be the next area to study if you plan to go all hydro or aeroponics.

Once you have germinated the seeds, and PH'd the water you use on them, you will move the sprout to its new home. I go from papertowel into Rockwool cubes. BE VERY CAREFULL....not to snap the new taproot sticking out of the seed.

Place it in the cube, and moisten the cube. The RW should not be too wet, or too dry. A good rule of thumb is to dip the cube in 5.8 PH water, and fling the excess moisture off the cube. When you do this the extra water is pushed out and the cube only holds the moisture it needs. Now dont just throw your RW cubes all over your grow room... lol...hold over a bucket,cube in hand and just shake it hard in a downward motion.
The cubes should be placed in humidity domes, and in the cooler months on a heat mat set to around 65-70 degrees F.
You only need a flourescant shop light over the seedlings as the babie plants dont need too much light, and too much can kill them! No need for a timer yet...the seedlings can go under 24/0 light schedule for some time untill they need to go into full veg. mode.

This is when you use plain PH adjusted water to moisten and spray the seedlings. No nutes yet....you will kill them and fry the fragile roots trying to grow inside the cube. I use about 5 drops of superthrive per gallon of water and spray the seedlings a little every day for the first week. Then i dip the cubes in water when they need it.

Once you have reached the time to transplant....which i have a tutorial for i will post soon.... you want to be very carefull not to damage any roots in the process.

Ok, now we are up to the plant growing out of the RW and showing some growth on a regular basis. soon there will be roots popping out of the cube and she'll be ready to move.


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: lilmafia513]
    #234928 - 06/01/09 12:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ones that look like these?


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #234930 - 06/01/09 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm still a noob at growing myself.

But yeah every little piece of info helps.

What i was hoping you will do is continue from the seeds and go into the next stage.



great minds think alike..lol.
I'm gonna try to cover as much as possible but it may take a day or two. I have much info. saved and its all what i have tried,tested, and seen the results of. I would never offer info. i have never tried first. I wanna get through transplanting today and maybe come back later to finish it up after some people notice it going on..lol!!


Ok, So now you have taken the cube from the tray and are ready to transplant. At this point the process of transplanting is very easy!!!

I grow mainly hempy style(perlite/vermiculite mixed together in a passive hydro system...i highly reccomend trying this method it is very easy, cheap, and great for new growers that want to jump right into a form of hydroponic growing..)Therefore my pics., and advice will be mainly geared towards hempy, although i do have mothers in soil, and have experience with soil growing. Its all the same pretty much, just a few steps added or subtracted depending on what style you go with.

So, for soil or hempy i suggest using the plastic red cups found at any walmart, kroger,meijer, or grocery store around the globe. For soil punch holes in the bottom to allow for adequate drainage,
for hempy cut a square about 1/4 inch wide and high, and place a piece of screen over the hole on the inside ( glue if desired, but not needed.)
Next, fill the cup with your medium of choice. If using soil, i would reccomend mixing in some perlite to help with areating the soil and helping draionage. ROOT ROT AND DISEASE IS VERY COMMON IN SOIL GROWS DUE TO POOR AEREATION!!!!
For Hempy growers, mix 3 parts perlite to 1 part vermiculite. or you can use plain perlite if vermiculite is unavailable, you will just need to water more frequently.
In eaither case fill the cup up to a level where the RW cube will be a touch higher than the top of the cup, but not much. this is whats known as the flood zone: the water will never collect or stay too wet at the base of the plant where the stalk meets the RW. this causes rotting if not carefull, so why not eliminate the threat now..LOL!!

Then you backfill around the cube with more of the desired mix. Water lightly, i add superthrive to help with transplant shock, and be carefull to not get any wtare on the leaves. I go from the transplant straight into the big lights.
Feeding is done with no nutes for the first week at least with hempy, and some say the first two to three weeks in soil. I wait untill the plant shows me pale green, NOT YELLOW, leaves which is a sign of needind nutes(mainly nitrogen. Yellowing noticed after adding nutes is commonly nute burn, which can be fixed by flushing with plain PH'd water.

I have a feeding chart from foxfarm, but it wont let me post it. Go to foxfarm.com or the website of your nutrient provider to find a feeding schedule and dosage.


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #234935 - 06/01/09 12:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ones that look like these?



yes those are the ones......
Here is some pics that will hopefully explain the transplant from dome to cups. These pics are of clones that rooted in 7 days, this is on day 10 of being in the dome. Time to transplant. pay attention to the closeups, that i described in the above post, about the cube being higher than the cup top.
Enjoy the porn for a minute.....gotta run for a second, but will be back!


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    #235023 - 06/01/09 03:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

now, you have transplanted your babies into their first size pots. You will be upgrading to bigger pots(eventually 5 gallon buckets or similar)if you plan to establish a mother plant. Which is the best way to go, dont vegg a plant and flower it because then you have to start all over!:thumbdown:

At this point you will want to read the Plant problem diagnostic checklist......here is the link
you will want to read this, copy it, print it or whatever, just make sure you use it if you encounter a problem you are unsure of how to fix.

Now these girls go under 18/6 light for the vegetative stage untill they have reached a desired height for your personal grow chamber. Vegetative growth is the second stage in the life of a plant after it completes germination and begins photosynthesis. During this stage a plant will be photosynthesising as much as possible to grow as large as it can before the onset of the flowering (Generative) phase. In essence it is the period of growth between germination and the beginning of sexual maturity characterised by flowering.

All plants have a vegetative stage where they are growing as fast as possible. It is almost standard practice to grow Cannabis plants with no dark period, and increase the speed at which they grow appreciably. Plants can be grown vegetatively indefinitely (Mother Plants for clones). It is up to the gardener to decide when to force the plant to flower.
I like to get mine about 4 or 5 nodes high, then top them to stop the main vertical height from getting any taller. A healthy strong mother will give you round after round of great, stable, and healthy clones to flower. But before we get into cloning lets focus on topping. This is a personal preference, you do not have to top your plants, but again, it helps to keep things the size you need them to be, and promotes lower growth.....

TOPPING:

Topping is done to stop main growth from the center stalk, and to allow more lower branching to stretch to make an even canopy.Topping the plant means to remove its primary growing shoot. The plant then redirects its energy to the next two closest shoots which become primary shoots. This may be done as many times as the grower desires. Note, however, that the resulting buds will be smaller than if the plant had been left untopped. The real issue becomes "Does the mass of the two new buds exceed the mass of the otherwise untopped cola?" The answer to this question varies from strain to strain, perhaps even, from plant to plant.

When topped, frequently the two central growth tips will stop growing for a period, while the plant directs its energies to repairing the damage central shoot. A collateral effect of topping is that the plant bushes out, that is, all of the lower branches continue to grow when the growth of the central shoots pauses. This can be useful in a propagation technique like SCroG, in which it is desirable for all of the budsites to be on an even plane.

The slowdown in growth may be avoided by pinching,rather than cutting, the growth tip. This does not cause the resulting bushiness in the lower growth, but does cause the two secondary tips to become primary.

How, when and where to top are also matters of ongoing debate. Ultimately, it becomes a personal decision of the grower, based upon his own experiences and goals.


Now, you will notice a slow down in growth after topping due to the energy being focused on repairing the topped part of the plant. After this is over, you will notice more lower and side branching forming......this is good!!! LOL!!:tongue2:
Here is a more visual aspect of topping, not topping, and a SOG(sea of green) plant.



***FYI:
Never trim leaves, transplant, or cut clones untill the plant has shown signs of healing and new growth happening or else you will further shock the plant which could result in a dead plant. Also treat as a new born babie.....carefull on the watering and nutes...untill it is better.

Another option is training the branches by tieing them down. there are many versions of doing this(supercropping,FIMming, LST training) it's all personal preference. I wont cover any of these because i do not do any of them. I occassionaly tie down a branch to the handle on my buckets, but only if I have to get my shape right for my area. If you are interested in any other form of training, topping, or supercropping please get ahold of me by way of PM or here, and i will help find you information that can help you.

Now that your new healthy, freshly topped, mother plant is getting bigger, and all those new roots are filling that cup up, and the new growth is filling out to create a beautiful bush, which could be several weeks, you will be ready to transplant again.......i know it gets to be a chore sometimes. But it's all woth it in the end!!:rasta:


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: lilmafia513]
    #235061 - 06/01/09 04:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Once you have a grasp on measuring and properly adjusting the PH levels of your water, you can next try to understand the TDS meter. I prefer not to use one, because i dont understand them. But that should be the next area to study if you plan to go all hydro or aeroponics.



i grow hydro...... and measuring ppm/tds/ec....is very simple, and easier to control than ph....... its how much dissolved minerals is in the solution....if its to high add more water....too low add more nutrients....as the plant grows it uses more water than nutrients so the levels start to rise if you dont "top off" your reservoir with plain water......


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    #235082 - 06/01/09 05:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



Ok, so what's with the haircut you gave these ladies? does trimming the tip off the leaves help them focus energy towards root formation rather than transpiration?


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    #235084 - 06/01/09 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ok, so what's with the haircut you gave these ladies? does trimming the tip off the leaves help them focus energy towards root formation rather than transpiration?




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    #235085 - 06/01/09 05:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ok, so what's with the haircut you gave these ladies? does trimming the tip off the leaves help them focus energy towards root formation rather than transpiration?




Correct

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    #235086 - 06/01/09 05:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sweet, good guess... I'd never heard of that before.

Do you see noticeable improvement over non-trimmed plants?


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    #235087 - 06/01/09 05:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

in my experience i have .....when i trim the tips.....the root system seems bigger faster compared to untrimmed.....when trimmed, for a short period of time more of the plants energy goes towards the root system rather than the foliage and upper part of the plant.....it doesnt stop growing... it just slows a little while the roots explode, then return to normal veg growth.....i also like to trim the leaves if the roots get damaged rather than just for clones.....because then the roots have more focused energy to the fix themselves and regenerate to get back on track......


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    #235097 - 06/01/09 06:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for responding while i was out guys.....
Yes trimming the tips of the fan leaves left on the clones is to slow the process of producing chlorophyll. This focuses the energy towards root development when it is so critical.


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    #235100 - 06/01/09 06:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, at this point the top you cut off, depending on how big it was before you cut it, and how tall you let it get before you cut the topp off, you should be left with either a small chunk of nothing that you cut off, or if done right, about a 6 inch clone. To do this just let the plant go awhile longer and stretch out. About 8-9 nodes high, then cut back the main stalk to the desired height, again mine are about 4-5 nodes high. You will be left with a mini plant that has 3-4 nodes down the stalk. You can either toss it and keep focus on the mother plant for now, or you can clone it.
See my cloning 101 thread....

First lets talk about adding nutes. to the watering cycle. At first you want to introduce nutes to your plant at around 1/4 of the reccomendded dose on the bottle. Feed at this dose for a week, then bump up to 1/2 the recomended dose, and so on. NEVER GIVE FULL NUTES TO ANY PLANT THE FIRST TIME FEEDING WITH NUTES......

During the veg. stage you only need to provide it with nutrients high in nitrogen. During flower you want a nutrient higher in phosphurous to promote bigger, better buds!!!:thumbup:


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    #235103 - 06/01/09 06:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so we have made it through sedds, seedling, transplanting to cubes, establishing a mother, and taking clones from it.

When you take clones from mothers and root them, you will then transplant them the same way i described earlier.

Any questions, comments, or advice please feel free to post it here!

I am done today, and will pick up tommorrow or later on how to tell sex of the plant if it is from a bagseed, and the process for checking trichs. throughout flower, and then onto the fun stuff....harvest, dry and cure...

If I am missing any topics of the stages of growing, let me know and i will explain it all here. Until then.....:rasta: lilmafia513


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Re: Germinating seeds [Re: lilmafia513]
    #237157 - 06/07/09 12:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Did someone post a link that tells when the best time to grow outdoors based on longitudinal and latitudinal coordinates?


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    #237170 - 06/07/09 01:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

During the summertime.

You can do the math pretty easily. You want at least 8 weeks from when the plants will start flowering (probably about 2-3 weeks before the equinox) to the first frost.


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