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JWH-018
    #225795 - 05/13/09 01:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just came across a site that sells it for $80 a gram.

I'm going to order some in the near future to see if it's really a better deal than Spice Gold or Diamond.


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: JollyGreenJRayV]
    #225863 - 05/13/09 01:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

just curios, why would you buy it if it practically has the same effects of weed but more harmful and for that price you could probably get a quarter ounce of bomb buds or an ounce of commercial for the same price....and just make hash out of it if you want it really strong......


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #225866 - 05/13/09 01:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

that ^^^^^ is a great question


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #225867 - 05/13/09 01:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

cons....what jolly said....pros....what the doc said

im just sayin

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Re: JWH-018 [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #225868 - 05/13/09 01:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

what? The Doc didn't say any pros, and Jolly didn't say any Cons


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #225869 - 05/13/09 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

???????? i do believe doc did say some pros.........if youre spendin 80 bucks that is


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #225871 - 05/13/09 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Dr. Siekadellyk said:
\has the same effects of weed but more harmful and for that price you could probaly get a quarter ounce of bomb buds or an ounce of commercial





Those are NOT pros


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #225875 - 05/13/09 01:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

im a pro if i con a pro, but not so much of a con if i am pro ? pro can also be a con with out a con being a pro ? or would it be a con can be pro but cannot con a pro ?


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Hydro]
    #225878 - 05/13/09 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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im a pro if i con a pro, but not so much of a con if i am pro ? pro can also be a con with out a con being a pro ? or would it be a con can be pro but cannot con a pro ?



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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Hydro]
    #225879 - 05/13/09 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

hmm... assuming by con you mean convict, then I would have to say that as soon as you become a con, you are not a pro, even if you have con'ed pros in the past


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #225880 - 05/13/09 02:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

rofl . agreed.  so you can be a pro-con but not a convicted pro.


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Hydro]
    #225934 - 05/13/09 03:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you can smoke this right?  And do you have evidence to suggest it's more harmful than weed or are you just assuming because it's a chem that it's more harmful?

any word on the potency?


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: THEBats]
    #225944 - 05/13/09 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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And do you have evidence to suggest it's more harmful than weed or are you just assuming because it's a chem that it's more harmful?


google it and read about the toxicity of the spice ....ive read that during metabolism it leaves residue in the body and lungs that has carcinogens and other big words in there that are cancer causing ......plus how its a purified cannabinoid it cant be too good kinda like opium is relatively safe but heroin isnt....coca is pretty much safe but cocaine isnt....


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #225955 - 05/13/09 04:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

cannabis also has carcinogens yet has no link to cancer.  mostly I asked because so many people assume false dangers on substances simply due to them not being natural. and I have read a bit on it and nothing I have found would I deem conclusive.  And heroin can be quite safe.  Extremely addictive yes but if used and administered by a medical professional with heroin that is pure and standardized it can be as safe as opium, if not safer as opium is typically smoked rather than eaten.


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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: THEBats]
    #225969 - 05/13/09 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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cannabis also has carcinogens yet has no link to cancer.  mostly I asked because so many people assume false dangers on substances simply due to them not being natural. and I have read a bit on it and nothing I have found would I deem conclusive.  And heroin can be quite safe.  Extremely addictive yes but if used and administered by a medical professional with heroin that is pure and standardized it can be as safe as opium, if not safer as opium is typically smoked rather than eaten.



there are different types of carcinogens....and they were talking about other things with really big words but idk man i just read a bunch of stuff on bluelight....heres the link---->click here...


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #225975 - 05/13/09 05:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

hmmm they're discussing it but I have not found any links to studies that suggest what they're suggesting.  just that in theory it could cause cancer.


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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #225979 - 05/13/09 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Dr. Siekadellyk said:
just curios, why would you buy it if it practically has the same effects of weed but more harmful and for that price you could probably get a quarter ounce of bomb buds or an ounce of commercial for the same price....and just make hash out of it if you want it really strong......




Personally, I think the effects are very different to weed, that's why I carry on buying it, because of the different (and often stronger) high.


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Fazed]
    #225992 - 05/13/09 06:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: JWH-018 [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #226046 - 05/13/09 10:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

didn't they just give away a bunch of free samples.


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Re: JWH-018 [Re: drSE]
    #226047 - 05/13/09 10:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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sg43:
There’s still not a lot of information available about JWH-018. This is wild west territory folks. We’re really excited about this chemical so we’ll be updating this page regularly as we learn more information and receive first-hand reports from fellow researchers. Here’s what we know today:

History

JWH-018, also known as 1-pentyl-3-naphthoylindole, is just one of a series of several hundred JWH-xxx chemicals developed over the last few years by John W. Huffman (JWH) and his research associates at Clemson University in the USA. His team’s primary focus is the synthesis of analogues and metabolites of THC (the active ingredient in marijuana), also known as cannabinoids.

JWH-018 is covered by the following US patents: 7241799 and 6900236

Potency

Each of the JWH chemicals have varying effects on the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however JWH-018 has been singled out by researchers (and recreational users) as one which possesses qualities quite similar to THC.

This report written by Huffman states that JWH-018 has approximately five times greater affinity for the CP1 receptor than THC, and is more potent than THC in humans/animals.

Administration and Dosage

Smoked: 0.5mg to 3mg
Insufflated: Very weak, and probably very difficult as the compound is not a powder - not recommended
Oral: 3mg to 10mg

Some anecdotal research indicates consuming amounts greater than these can cause anxiety, not unlike smoking too much marijuana. Other research indicates that because JWH-018 shares similar properties to THC, it would be very difficult to overdose, unlike some other cannabinoids, such as HU-210, which may be fatal when consumed in large amounts.

When consumed, JWH-018 has effects similar to THC lasting for 3-5 hours duration. When compared to CP 55,940, which has an effect duration of 10 to 18 hours, this could be considered a definite plus by many recreational users. Smoking JWH-018 differs from smoking THC in that it produces a peak effect almost instantaneously, unlike the 10-15 minute delay with cannabis/THC as it is not metabolized to a more active compound (THC is metabolized to the more active 11-hydroxy THC). Re-dosing is possible upon comedown, although there is not enough research to indicate if there are any tolerance issues.

It is speculated, but not yet proven, that JWH-018 would not be detected by standard cannabinoid drug tests.

Comparisons To Other Synthetic Cannabinoids

Further input is required. Other known recreational cannabinoids include WIN 55,210, HU-210 and CP 55,940. There are also some discussions of JWH-073 and JWH-081 for recreational use although the differences between them and JWH-018 are very subtle.

JWH-018 is considerably more stable and easier to store than CP55,940, which degrades (and loses potency) at temperatures above -20C, whilst JWH-018 does not appear to degrade significantly at room temperature.

Would anyone care to summarize, in layman’s terms, the conclusions of this article? It appears that JWH-018 compares very favorably to CP55,940 and WIN 55,212-2.

Therapeutic Uses

From Wikipedia:

JWH-018 (1-Pentyl-3-(1-Naphthoyl)Indole) is an analgesic drug from the aminoalkylindole family, which acts as a cannabinoid agonist at both the CB1 and CB2 receptors, with some selectivity for CB2. It produces effects in animals very similar to those of THC itself, but with a shorter duration of action, and is currently being researched as a potential analgesic to be administered by transdermal patch.

So can we assume that there may be uses for this drug besides obvious recreational purposes? Perhaps as a potential alternate for medical marijuana for Alzheimer’s patients. Or as a trans-dermal patch for AIDS or chemotherapy patients who suffer from nausea and are unable to take THC in pill form.

Legality

JWH-018 is believed to be legal in all countries at this time. However some countries’ analogue laws may apply to JWH-018, in certain circumstances.




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