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i just dropped acid
    #113028 - 08/22/08 08:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

and im still technically on the job lawl
i singed out a half after i left
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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113029 - 08/22/08 08:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I m n ur acid, skrambuling ur branes


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113031 - 08/22/08 08:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Have an awesome time brah.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Agent00]
    #113032 - 08/22/08 08:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Someone take 10 mg's of this and then tell me how it goes:



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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113033 - 08/22/08 08:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What is that?


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Ombient]
    #113036 - 08/22/08 08:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

All I know is that it has a third less calories than LSD and it has no bitter aftertaste. :awesome:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113037 - 08/22/08 08:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

LSD analog?


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Ombient]
    #113038 - 08/22/08 08:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Sure looks like it.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113039 - 08/22/08 08:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I imagine a TIHKAL entry:

Quote:

Started with a dose of 10 mg's - totally blew my mind away. Ooops!
Will test this again next week at 50 ug's.



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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113040 - 08/22/08 08:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I dunt get it.  That thing would be a bitch to synthesize... would require some extraordinary measures in terms of protecting groups.  Where did you find that structure?


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113043 - 08/22/08 09:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If this thing exists, then it would stand to reason that the other one could, too.



I hate transparent PNG's. :crankey:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113044 - 08/22/08 09:13 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You didn't take a whole lot of chemistry, did you?  That one you could make from an amine and lysergic acid.  The other one you'd have to try to get a hydrazide to act like an amine, which probably wouldn't go so well.

Edit: er, not a hydrazide... something I can't think of how to name right now... but it certainly wouldn't be happy to act like an amine.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113045 - 08/22/08 09:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

From an amine?
Which amine exactly?

Here's a better look:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8813415#Post8813415


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113046 - 08/22/08 09:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It's not any sort of typical amine (looks like a substituted purine with an extra ring on the system.  Replace the lysergic acid with a hydrogen, there's your parent amine.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113047 - 08/22/08 09:25 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Hopefully when I'm though with my O-chem class, I'll understand what you're talking about better.

Then I'll try understanding some of Acyl's posts too, lol, all the technical mumbo jumbo is just waaay beyond me. :grin:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Ombient]
    #113049 - 08/22/08 09:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It's not so bad - it only looks intimidating. :evil:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113053 - 08/22/08 09:31 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:whatever:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113054 - 08/22/08 09:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

andyistic said:
Here's a better look:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8813415#Post8813415




I don't think he'd be able to see that


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Ombient]
    #113055 - 08/22/08 09:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You'd be correct... supporter board or something?


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113056 - 08/22/08 09:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

not even i can c it :eek:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113059 - 08/22/08 09:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It's the secret drug trade forum *_*


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113061 - 08/22/08 09:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #113062 - 08/22/08 09:45 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Why the rabbit ears? :lol:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113064 - 08/22/08 09:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

cuz hez trippinnnnn


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113068 - 08/22/08 09:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

goin down the rabbithollllle :psychsplit:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #113076 - 08/22/08 10:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

How is the acid treating you brah?


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Agent00]
    #113077 - 08/22/08 10:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

its goin real good yo just unloaded a grip o shiznit into my gal bout to go crack open a watermelon tehehehe


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113078 - 08/22/08 10:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:awesome: I am jealous.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113101 - 08/23/08 01:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not gonna lie, I'm impressed by your chem knowledge bro. I love learning about the chemical makeup of different substances... like how psilocin is so closed to dmt. very cool.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: godspeedyou]
    #113104 - 08/23/08 01:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It's even closer to serotonin.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113109 - 08/23/08 01:16 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

No, it's not.

Psilocin is 5-OH-DMT; Serotonin is 5-HO-T.

Two methyl groups are more than one hydroxyl group by any metric I can think of (# of atoms, molecular mass, etc.)


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113112 - 08/23/08 01:17 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

BWAHAHAHAHHAH i love dis thread
bout 2 watch star wars wewt!


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113116 - 08/23/08 01:19 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:jedi:
:yoda2:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113119 - 08/23/08 01:25 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Sativus said:
No, it's not.

Psilocin is 5-OH-DMT; Serotonin is 5-HO-T.

Two methyl groups are more than one hydroxyl group by any metric I can think of (# of atoms, molecular mass, etc.)




Serotonin:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113120 - 08/23/08 01:26 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Those images are correct.  I misspoke saying psilocin is 5-Ho-DMt; it's 4-HO-DMT... which makes you even less correct.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113121 - 08/23/08 01:27 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Don't be a moron.

I'm just showing them for general interest, is that OK, your majesty?


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113123 - 08/23/08 01:29 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, that's ok.  I'm just curious how 4-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine is closer to 5-hydroxytryptamine than dimethyltryptamine in your mind?


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113124 - 08/23/08 01:31 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's really a subjective matter at this point.
They are similarities in both cases.
Saying that a methyl is closer than a hydroxy really doesn't make much sense.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: andyistic]
    #113125 - 08/23/08 01:34 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, if it's subjective, then what's your subjective reasoning?

Here's how I see it...

Psilocin vs DMT - The same, except for a hydroxyl at the 4- position.

Psilocin vs serotonin - Shift the hydroxyl from the 4-position to the 5-position and remove two methyl groups.

It seems difficult to argue that 3 differences are less than a single difference.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113127 - 08/23/08 01:49 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

No response?  Come on, you must have had some reason for claiming psilocin is more closely related to 5-HO-T than DMT. I'm genuinely curious.

Please, O great Andy, bless us with your chemical reasoning.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: ATX_AJ]
    #113139 - 08/23/08 03:08 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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I m n ur acid, skrambuling ur branes




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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113146 - 08/23/08 05:15 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Sativus said:
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dood it fookin roqued
i watched the whole new trilogy wit my gurl this summa on acid o maaaaan wut an Xperience


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113274 - 08/23/08 02:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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No response?  Come on, you must have had some reason for claiming psilocin is more closely related to 5-HO-T than DMT. I'm genuinely curious.

Please, O great Andy, bless us with your chemical reasoning.




He is the great andy, he does not have to answer to YOU. :snub:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Ombient]
    #113425 - 08/23/08 06:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I noticed :sad:

If I didn't know better, I'd say he's deliberately avoiding the question.


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113465 - 08/23/08 07:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

lol
just like when he was calling me gay and i brought up his post about teh gay gangbang


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #113468 - 08/23/08 07:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

He's been busy in the jail-bait thread all day


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sacrament]
    #113475 - 08/23/08 07:57 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Well I expect an answer damnit :crankey:

I r syence man :nerd:
this r srs syence :drugnerd:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Sativus]
    #113487 - 08/23/08 08:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

lol i was trippin on syence las nite it was tite
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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Ombient]
    #113564 - 08/23/08 09:59 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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No response?  Come on, you must have had some reason for claiming psilocin is more closely related to 5-HO-T than DMT. I'm genuinely curious.

Please, O great Andy, bless us with your chemical reasoning.





Still no answer? :sad:

Has andy been officially pwnt?

I at least have the balls to admit when I get things wrong... even once when imachavel was the one correcting me. :blush:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Coaster]
    #113578 - 08/23/08 10:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone could look at psilocin and dmt and tell they're closer to each other then serotonin and psilocin. Beats me why he said that.

psilocin's just dmt with that OH (hydroxyl correct?) on that there benzene ring thing-a-ma-bobber :birthday:


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Re: i just dropped acid [Re: Ombient]
    #113588 - 08/23/08 10:25 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Omni said:
psilocin's just dmt with that OH (hydroxyl correct?) on that there benzene ring thing-a-ma-bobber :birthday:




Yuppers, OH = HO = hydroxyl


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