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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111101 - 08/18/08 10:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You expect that there exist fossils of every intermediate form?  Are you aware of how rare the conditions are that form fossils, and the fact that the older the fossil, the more likely it is to have been destroyed by geological phenomena?

It sounds like you're appealing to the argument that we don't have the missing links, when in fact we have tons of them.


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: slackophage]
    #111102 - 08/18/08 10:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I was never trying to just argue for one side or the other.  I'm only arguing that there are many holes in evolution that still exist.


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111105 - 08/18/08 10:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm only arguing that there are many holes in evolution that still exist.




Only if you misinterpret the Theory


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111106 - 08/18/08 10:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ah, I thought you had another theory.

I feel similar about it, but there's a metric fuckton of theory to establish a decent, if incomplete, case for evolution.

The Bible? Not so much.


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
    #111108 - 08/18/08 10:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Second Law of Thermodynamics

also lets not forget that christianity is not the sole religion. 

another such item that turns me away from evolution is the human consciousness and it's relation to psychedelics.  people from all over the world report similar patterns and visions.  well evolution can explain functional changes I cannot see explanation on the interaction between these psychedelic plants and humans. 


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111111 - 08/18/08 10:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Second Law of Thermodynamics




:what:

You think that life doesn't serve the principle of maximum entropy production?


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
    #111114 - 08/18/08 10:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Whoa brother.
This thread is getting way to tech for me.

TOO HEAVY! TOO HEAVY!


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
    #111117 - 08/18/08 10:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

you're an atheist aren't you sativus?


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111120 - 08/18/08 10:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

all the intelligent people are flooZ


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Roxum]
    #111122 - 08/18/08 10:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

No, I'm agnostic.  I don't discount the possibility of an omnipotent God (it seems like a bit of a moot point though), but I tend to view the divine as something a little more naturalistic.  What's that got to do with evolution?

On a mildly related note, I think that molecular biology contains some of the most compelling evidence for Intelligent Design.


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Coaster]
    #111126 - 08/18/08 10:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
    #111127 - 08/18/08 10:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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No, I'm agnostic.  I don't discount the possibility of an omnipotent God (it seems like a bit of a moot point though), but I tend to view the divine as something a little more naturalistic.  What's that got to do with evolution?

On a mildly related note, I think that molecular biology contains some of the most compelling evidence for Intelligent Design.




Just wondering.  I would consider myself in the same boat.  I also would say that is where I shall stay as science will never explain the existence of the universe.  NEVER!

I might get back on this discussion but I need a joint break first. 

Also I'll be honest I probably know a whole lot less on the subject then you do (psych and pharmacology are my thang) so I'm wondering if you have any problems with the theory of evolution?  I always ask my devout christian friend if he has doubts and he also answers yes.  So surely you have doubts or am I mistaken?


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: slackophage]
    #111128 - 08/18/08 10:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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all the intelligent people are flooZ








lul nice


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
    #111130 - 08/18/08 10:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

on a side note I think this is one of the most serious discussions that's taken place on the growery.  We should give each other a pat of the back for that.  :rave:


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111131 - 08/18/08 10:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe we don't want to be serious though.


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: andyistic]
    #111133 - 08/18/08 10:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:carl:


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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.  :twobooks:


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111134 - 08/18/08 10:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

No, the Theory of Evolution itself has no inconsistencies.  Some people use it to make dubious claims, oviously.

But evolution is pretty much irrefutable if you're familiar with molecular biology.  As I mentioned before, the background mutations in the non-conserved regions of the ribosome present evidence which is virtually undeniable, especially when taken together with everything we know about biology on the macroscopic and molecular scales.

To me, the only point that can be legitimately doubted is whether there might be a mysterious force acting as a "guiding hand" in the "random" point mutations.  And that's not a question science is capable of adressing, nor does it in any way undermine the theory.


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
    #111135 - 08/18/08 10:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

We don't take anything seriously here...

:toomuchacid:

..well that's not entirely true. Some of take drugs seriously.


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: slackophage]
    #111138 - 08/18/08 10:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Also, just to be clear, I'm not one of those people who believe religiously in the infallability of Science.  For example, I'm not convinced by the Big Bang theory.


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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
    #111141 - 08/18/08 11:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Same here, and if Weeds wasn't starting I'd get more into this thread.

Maybe later. :stoner:


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