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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Data]
    #850541 - 10/04/21 05:56 PM (11 days, 15 hours ago)

Viruses are not living things, they are are rocks with DNA:themoreyouknow:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #850542 - 10/04/21 06:02 PM (11 days, 14 hours ago)

Because religion/afterlife isn't real :megacrankey:

Life's a scam !

Idk I believe in afterlife maybe I hope

I've changed my views so many times idk what to believe anymore


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #850543 - 10/04/21 06:34 PM (11 days, 14 hours ago)

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Viruses are not living things, they are are rocks with DNA:themoreyouknow:




Viruses exhibit most of the essentials necessary to be considered living, and experts have differing opinions on whether viruses are a type of life. :shrug:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: kreg] * 1
    #850558 - 10/05/21 05:58 AM (11 days, 2 hours ago)

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Theres too many people in the world :crankey: !



covid has entered the chat




I guess what i mean is im old enough to be able to see the increase in humans in the areas i grew up in, urban sprawl, ya gnome. And its only going in one direction. I will be pissed if i get to the afterlife and its more crowded there than here.

Reincarnation is just something that was made up to tell kids so they would be better people if they believed in it. Be good, you dont wanna come back next life as that stray dog do you?

You dont have to be religious to be a good person.

Im sayin that all the time ^_^ its kinda my saying.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: SameThing] * 3
    #850611 - 10/07/21 04:39 AM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

Cats are better than dogs.

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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: SameThing] * 1
    #850619 - 10/07/21 07:28 AM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Niffla]
    #850628 - 10/07/21 11:03 AM (8 days, 21 hours ago)

In my opinion the national debt along with the whole monetary system is archaic and a joke. Say they do print the 1 trillion dollar coin, what then? Also if every(or the top countries) country is in debt who is the money owed to? It makes no sense.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Data]
    #850629 - 10/07/21 11:06 AM (8 days, 21 hours ago)

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Viruses are not living things, they are are rocks with DNA:themoreyouknow:




Viruses exhibit most of the essentials necessary to be considered living, and experts have differing opinions on whether viruses are a type of life. :shrug:



They can not and do not replicate on their own. They have no biological functions and are completely inert until they merge with a host cell. They are biological machines....rocks(not really rocks, just sounds better :p ) with dna :house:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #850631 - 10/07/21 12:26 PM (8 days, 20 hours ago)

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They can not and do not replicate on their own. They have no biological functions and are completely inert until they merge with a host cell. They are biological machines....rocks(not really rocks, just sounds better :p ) with dna :house:




This is almost the exact case for the bacteria responsible for Chlamydia and Typhus, yet bacteria are generally considered a form of life. Are we now claiming that certain bacteria are non-living?

What counts as a "biological process"? I would argue that the ability to target a structure on a host cell, non-lethally enter a host cell, and reproduce using intracellular processes (including reproductive processes that maintain or increase genetic diversity over time) would count. Protein-assisted actions are the primary engine behind all intracellular processes, which I would argue also count as "biological processes", and also constitute the bulk of action performed by viruses. The fact that obligate intracellular parasites' reproductive processes are considered biological in nature seems to support that argument.

Viruses mutate and evolve over time in response to changing conditions. Other non-living self-assembling systems like crystalline compounds do not have that capability, they assemble the same way, given the same conditions, every time. You can't develop a breeding program to generate novel crystalline compounds that don't exist, and novel crystalline compounds do not spontaneously evolve from pre-existing crystalline compounds.

So I would again say that determination of the status of viruses as life is murky at best. :shrug:

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In my opinion the national debt along with the whole monetary system is archaic and a joke. Say they do print the 1 trillion dollar coin, what then? Also if every(or the top countries) country is in debt who is the money owed to? It makes no sense.



The majority of national debt is owned by the citizens of that country in the form of bonds.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Data]
    #850635 - 10/07/21 02:12 PM (8 days, 18 hours ago)

Well shit I see why this is such a huge debate lol because this same logic would apply to extraterrestrial "life". Because it doesn't have a heart and cns is it alive?


As for viruses, the fact that they can not replicate or do anything that constitutes life on their own really points to not life....maybe they are different things altogether?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #850636 - 10/07/21 03:19 PM (8 days, 17 hours ago)

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Well shit I see why this is such a huge debate lol because this same logic would apply to extraterrestrial "life". Because it doesn't have a heart and cns is it alive?


As for viruses, the fact that they can not replicate or do anything that constitutes life on their own really points to not life....maybe they are different things altogether?




But they do replicate, carry genetic info that drives their structure and evolution, they have prey, use protein-assisted reactions and a biological metabolism to drive their replication process, and can be made non-viable by extreme conditions.

And no living creature does anything on their own, they all require a specific set of conditions in order to replicate. If you place a bacterium in completely pure water, it will likely rupture from the osmotic pressure buildup, and even if it did survive, it would be forced to create a dormant endospore and would not be able to replicate until placed into a suitable environment. Most forms of life exist in symbiosis with other forms of life, and the continued replication of all life is dependant on other life. If you are claiming that life can only exist if all necessary processes occur inside of a cell wall or membrane, there is an ongoing discussion in the scientific community about acellular lifeforms, with viruses being the primary candidate for that distinction.

If you ran into something like this on another planet, would you claim that life was discovered on that planet, or would you continue to say that all known life originates on Earth? It is wholly different from anything we would call inorganic or non-living, and the terms "alive" and "not alive" are pretty binary when you get down to that scale.

:shrug: good unpopular opinion :highfive:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #850637 - 10/07/21 03:38 PM (8 days, 17 hours ago)

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In my opinion the national debt along with the whole monetary system is archaic and a joke. Say they do print the 1 trillion dollar coin, what then? Also if every(or the top countries) country is in debt who is the money owed to? It makes no sense.



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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Data]
    #850638 - 10/07/21 03:47 PM (8 days, 17 hours ago)

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Well shit I see why this is such a huge debate lol because this same logic would apply to extraterrestrial "life". Because it doesn't have a heart and cns is it alive?


As for viruses, the fact that they can not replicate or do anything that constitutes life on their own really points to not life....maybe they are different things altogether?




But they do replicate, carry genetic info that drives their structure and evolution, they have prey, use protein-assisted reactions and a biological metabolism to drive their replication process, and can be made non-viable by extreme conditions.

And no living creature does anything on their own, they all require a specific set of conditions in order to replicate. If you place a bacterium in completely pure water, it will likely rupture from the osmotic pressure buildup, and even if it did survive, it would be forced to create a dormant endospore and would not be able to replicate until placed into a suitable environment. Most forms of life exist in symbiosis with other forms of life, and the continued replication of all life is dependant on other life. If you are claiming that life can only exist if all necessary processes occur inside of a cell wall or membrane, there is an ongoing discussion in the scientific community about acellular lifeforms, with viruses being the primary candidate for that distinction.

If you ran into something like this on another planet, would you claim that life was discovered on that planet, or would you continue to say that all known life originates on Earth? It is wholly different from anything we would call inorganic or non-living, and the terms "alive" and "not alive" are pretty binary when you get down to that scale.

:shrug: good unpopular opinion :highfive:



When we are conceived, brought into existence, we replicate using the resources around us autonomously. Do viruses do the same?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #850639 - 10/07/21 04:12 PM (8 days, 16 hours ago)

:crankey:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Connectedcosmos]
    #850644 - 10/07/21 04:36 PM (8 days, 16 hours ago)

:fuckthisshit:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Jenny]
    #850648 - 10/07/21 06:43 PM (8 days, 14 hours ago)

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You ok?


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #850650 - 10/07/21 07:02 PM (8 days, 13 hours ago)

Jen has anger management issues.


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Niffla]
    #850653 - 10/07/21 07:19 PM (8 days, 13 hours ago)

Get a punching bag. They work great and have the added benefit of increasing your punch strength :thumbup:


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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #850655 - 10/07/21 07:30 PM (8 days, 13 hours ago)

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Get a punching bag. They work great and have the added benefit of increasing your punch strength :thumbup:




Jen punches like Bernie



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Re: The official unpopular opinion thread [Re: Niffla]
    #850658 - 10/08/21 05:49 AM (8 days, 3 hours ago)

Water tastes better than soda.

Water is the nectar of the gods....it's almost like we are made of it or something :p


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