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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #815915 - 06/28/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

More indoor porn....having issues with editing last post so sorry for triple posting, cant do anything about it atm.

Lanky Queen...Day 41 of 12/12...probably 36ish days of actual flowering.t






Fatass Queen....Day 41 of 12/12. Shes FINALLY starting to become a little more photogenic,  ut I fu ked her mix BAD this round, bud density, size, and teich peoduction suffered, I know what the fatass clone can do, and this AINT it. She should be noticebly fatter than lanky at this point, not noticeablt smaller...she will make some decent hash in the end most likely. Shes healthy but obviously i havn't given her the resources she needs to be all she can lol, shes probably gonna get the cut early in the next few days to make room for another clone to try again.



About to hit that part we all live for....the home stretch swell :cool: If I wasnt waiting on her seeds I would have already pulled her up and remixed her soil to replace her with another fatass clone...shes healthy, but coming along much slower than usual with far less resin.

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816038 - 06/29/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Nice dude :super:


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Sloppy]
    #816040 - 06/29/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Man!!!

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816134 - 06/30/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i cut the fatass down and turned her into hash last night over a few hours, want to add some light to the lanky i acutally nailed the mix on, and get another fatass clone into the box soon that i WONT ruin lolololol


no pics because they're just sad...once i get over the loss ill throw up some of the bud shots i took :lol:

one dqay soon ill edit them into this post


however the hash itself, color, taste, and potency are actually EXCELLENT for ISO, am not impressed with hash yield, not even close, but god DAMN the quality is WAY better than i expected for 2+ weeks early



Outdoor coming a long nicely









cant wait for her to finish, seems like i picked a good seed to pop this cross' outdoor cherry :lol: been doing 3-5 nodes on the big branch for a bit now, stem is almost a half inch thick, hoping for quite the impressive cola on that one :cool:

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816345 - 07/03/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Cant wait....gettin FAT for ~105-110~ watts :wink: one of my best looking buds on a run of lanky yet somehow xD






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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816356 - 07/03/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Nice :smile:

I put a cfl at the top of my ao lol... so she is getting light in all areas now maybe we will see some differences


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Nevar44]
    #816426 - 07/04/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

if she's right in the hps glow it wont really make much difference, although quite a few single light HID growers use cfl's to side light and light the plant from underneath the canopy because of how close you can get them to the plant. If yor AO's main cola has just outgrown the height of the light a bit that CFL shol help a ton as long as its at least 23 (non equivalent) watts. 26, 36, or 42 have the best lumen/watt ratio in CFL's though.

ive seen HID growers on the forums pull MASSIVE colas all the way down the plant when they've done this and not lolipopped the little suckers, its all a matter of keeping things cool i imgagine

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816429 - 07/04/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting

I think lollipopping is slightly different than what I was told to do

U don't wanna nessicarily cut off all the bottom sights..

U want to cut off any and all suckers. Suckers equal sights w small stems not popping and growing like the others. Wether they are down low or the branch or where ever they may be.

A lot if the times the entire lower branches end up being suckers in my experience so I'll cut them entirely. If the branch doesn't swell and create a thick branch that reaches the canopy..

I'm still learning and playing.

Ive never looked up lollipoping online... but I think it's taking all the bottom sights off...??? sometimes some of those bottom sights are nice sights..

I got a 26w 1700 lumen cfk, for the top of the AO. It's grown past the light and wasn't getting any light at all but now it is :smile:


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Nevar44]
    #816433 - 07/04/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

thats what i mean by lolipopping, waiting just long enough into flower to tell whats gonne blow up and what isnt, if you light from underneath with CFL's its safe to say MORE of the bud sites would take off. and obviously the more of the plant that takes off the heavier you can feed into flower

supplementing with a CFL is a good idea for anything that isnt getting too much direct light that you dont want to lolipop, lolipop is just the word i use for it because that was the common terminology for it when i started.

i even had one top i though was gonna be a main top get the cut about 3 weeks into 12/12 on the lanky, it just kinda stopped, was right at the edge of the main glow so i wasnt sure till then, anything that was not stretched into the main glow or hadnt done anything by then got snipped, leaving that stuff is a recipe for stress nanners where you dont want them. if those buds get pollinated theyll redirect lots of unwanted energy in that direction on the plant, away from the main glow of the light. they would have a good chance of being decent feminized beans, but would lose more yield than its worth, if you go the route of making fem beans is beast to just use a late flower bana from a strong plant and hit a calyx or two in the main cola of a strong plant not quite as far into flower. couple beans wont slow a large bud down at all.

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816468 - 07/05/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

First signs of late flower N2 lockout RIGHT on schedule.

Can confidently call 2-3 weeks now instead of just saying, eh, idk, maybe 3 weeks for the last 5 days :lol:

Day 48 of 12/12, 14-21 days left, solid 8-9 week strain, not counting the first week of 12/12 give or take, counting flowering time from first preflower.

Well aware i need to clean out my box, cant remove the plant atm to do so and is slowly getting worse :lol:


Gonna have to wait till lights out to get good pics of the Top nugs, they're washing out up close and i cant get good shots to show maturity of the tricks or calyxes.

But heres a pic of a couple BOTTOM  nugs to avoid washing out the photo, not quite as far along as the very tops but should give a good idea as to how far along. About 15% of the hairs have turned, and about 20-25% of the trichs have gone frosty, this bud is slightly farther behind though, not getting exposed to nearly as much light as the tops. As usuall, proves herself to be a solid 8-9 week strain.


i need to pop on ebay and get a USB microscope so i can show off REAL trich shots :lol:



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Seedlings doing nicely, one is growing ridiculously fast. and i lost one because of a zip tie at one end of my t5 that slipped, it burnt the edges of the first set of leaves, so that one i actually pulled, didnt feel like waiting on it to recover and i have plenty more of these seed saved.

I think this first one may start to present some hybrid vigor :cool: hoping she's a she.


Another fatass most likely


this one has interesting leaves, will most likily look completely normal in a day or two


And this one is no longer with us lol, pulled it this morning. didnt wanna wait for it to recover and get left behind



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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816478 - 07/05/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Just realised i am now testing how resistant Lanky is to going hermaphrodite and revegging xD


Couple notches on the end of my light cycle timer on the night period were lifted up.......


she went to 13(d)/11(n) god only knows how many days ago, im always asleep when they kick on.

i corrected the error, and am now watching for bananas/symptoms of reveg. only noticed it because i repositioned where the timer was trying to do some box maintenance/cleaning

will report back soon :lol: oops........

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816489 - 07/05/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

13/11 shouldn't cause a reveg at all.
Right many growers flower on that setting, and claim to yield more.


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Stoneth]
    #816505 - 07/06/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

well, was just worried about hermie mainly since shes got a lot of sativa in her, the days going from short to slightly longer back to short again, makes me wanna keep an eye out for some nanners. And my more sativa dom hybrids ive ran in the past (not this one specifically) have been far more willing to reveg than indica leaning hybrids.

not expecting revegging really once i thought about it, would have to keep slowly increasing day time length not one quick bump, dont think it was more than a few days since i bumped the timer last. just more or less keeping an eye out for some bare stamen to pop, i wanted to try and make a fem bean or two with my outdoor anyway :wink: Ive never seen a hermie in my cut of this lanky pheno, if i could stress a nanner or two i imagine would be excellent XX only pollen

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816507 - 07/06/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yea watching for nanners is wise, better safe than sorry.:smile:
If feminized seeds are something you're interested in, look into STS and/or CS treatments.
Making seeds from a stressed hermie pollen is a good way to make more hermie seeds.


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Stoneth]
    #816508 - 07/06/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

making them from genetic hermie pollen is a good way of making hermie beans ime,and colloidal silver forces the exact same kind of bare stamen that forcing them through stress does, because either way you are still forcing them through stress.

when ive used genetic hermie pollen ive got hermies, when ive used stress induced bare stamen pollen, ive got about 80% give or take straight non hermie female, same rates as using colloidal silver,

only difference is i dont want to make an entire plant filled with  feminized beans like i would if i was trying to breed them to sell.

what i am doing is how you make just a couple feminized beans, without ruining the herb produced by either plant. im not trying to make 1000 seeds and have no herb to smoke. :blazed: have done this quite a few times, as long as you use a plant that wont hermie without being stress induced you seem to usually get XX pollen ime.

From what ive done in the past, THESE hermaphrodites (fully formed male flowers mixed in starting week 2-3 of flower) will make predominantly hermaphrodites as offspring



And these, non fully formed, bare, individual male stamen (genetic herms will have fully formed male flowers with 4-8 stamen per flower, hundreds per cluster sometimes), produced through stress or near the total end of a plants life cycle, or earlier through artificial means like colloidal silver, produce pretty much entirely female (XX) offspring with the very very rare genetic herm present, just like any other feminized seed, as long as you pollinate a genetically distinct female plant, and not the plant that produced the pollen, and ime, if you stress it or over ripen long enough, all females will do this....all of them, there are no exceptions especially if you let them over ripen long enough, it's just a fall back tactic to attempt to preserve their genetics through winter




(not my pics, just examples of what im talking about)

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck] * 1
    #816509 - 07/06/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I wouldn't use a hermie stressed or not, it's still a genetic hermie.
But if you've done it in the past and are happy with the results pay me no mind.:thumbup:


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Stoneth]
    #816510 - 07/06/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

but colloidal silver induced hermaphroditism is STILL stress induced herm, that's all im saying lol, there are no ways to make bananas without stressing the plant through introducing chemicals or altering their environment, if you go the chemical route you just make way more banas and get enough pollen for commercial production of feminized beans but the end herb of the treated plant is not consumable, i have no reason to want to do that

some do it naturally without stressing through introduction of chemicals, environment alteration, or being over ripened, (both kinds of hermaphrodite, whole flower herms always will, banana herms sometimes will) these i would not use to make fem beans for exactly the reason you are saying, but this is a plant me and my friends have never seen throw bananas or male flowers by the time it got to harvest in any of our runs, is quite stable, if i get a banana im running with it :thumbup:... not expecting one but it would be a cool thing for me to have considering i have a strong from seed new pheno from this cross going into flower outside

you dont have to introduce foreign chemicals to get fem beans, only if you want enough pollen to seed an entire plant or two to sell beans :lol: i have yet to find a plant that wont do it especially if over ripened, not one from probably over 100 genetics we've ran at this point, weve let dozen of plants over ripen a bit just for the added weight and the female pollen from the bananas, they ALL will do it eventually, so i just think its a last ditch effort survival tactic.

have not been disappointed with my results in the past, and thanks for the bumps!:blazed:

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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816515 - 07/06/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

See using chemicals isn't necessarily the same as stressing.
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One chemical bonding to another isn't stressing the plant. Not every reaction such as a loss of color in a plant and a slow down in growth are results of stress. Both plants use the same hormone to signal flowering just the female has a added hormone that tells it to make the flowers female. The sts or cs bonds to that hormone and makes it unusable to the plant.

Female flowers that are caused by stress are generaly gonna be hermmie as in the flowers and the seeds coming from them. There is a major difference between plants that are stressed into giving male flowers and those that are treated to do it.


If you get the ppm right for your strain when using cs or sts you will notice no color change or slowdown in growth. I use to do that but it's a pain in the ass so I use a general mix not that is on the stronger side. As long as the percentage rate of hermies in my feminized seeds stays the same as regular seeds I'm fine with it. :happyweed:



From an old discussion. https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/522124#522124

Yea, you're method will work, but hermie numbers are lower when done with CS or STS.


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Stoneth]
    #816516 - 07/06/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i can see that for sure, the ones i make generally dont throw nanners unless stressed in abnormal conditions specifically over ripening, but i can more than see why that could be passed on, just like using ones that throw nanners before they over ripen is something that *could* be passed on.

i just dont like losing all that bud :blazed: and weve had pretty good results so far as were choosy over the clones we use pollen from, and i dont want to consume any of the chemicals used to do it. well aware that cs becomes a new chemical when it binds to copper, but id still prefer to avoid something that can pass through blood brain barriers and whatnot. and the reason over ripening them is a good way is because the stop uptaking the metals they use to produce flowering hormones that late into flower because they cant metabolise it, and the flower begins to revert towards intersexual flower production as a result, complete lack of those hormones means production of male flowers, is just what happens when the right metals and minerals for female flower production are no linger present in a living sexually mature plant, and lockout of these metals and minerals late in flower it 100% to be expected for any plant if taken long enough past "perfect" as i am sure you are already fully aware. But its the EXACT same biological process that introducing CS stimulates, just at a much slower rate. resulting in only a couple bananas instead of a plant filled with them. using a chemical to stimulate that process doesn't somehow make it different.

we generally just use male pollen then weed the males from the seed as we grow them, thats how the mother of the lanky and the outdoor came along lol. were non fem seed. but when we have done tis our results were fantastic, we wouldn't sell any of the seed made this way bulk, its pretty much for our own grows, but if done right it works fine. Is just a very poor choice for making fem seeds in bulk. and even if using CS isn't technically  stress hermie, it's mimicking whats going on in the biology of them on a micro scale.... semantics aside imo thats still stress induced when your just mimicking the biology present in an over ripened plant. when you stress a plant into hermaphroditism that otherwise wouldn't have done it, you aren't somehow adding to or subtracting from the genome of the plant in any way introducing CS would or wouldn't. we're just dealing with chemical reactions and hormones on this level, not anything to do with the genome of the plant.

another quote from that thread in response to being asked how to make female pollen:
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coda (also a trusted cultivator) said:
Stress the plant out to produce male flowers on a female plant.  Only way to make fem seeds.




not been here long, have no idea how these views stack up with one another "politically" here, ive just done it this way many times, as have my friends locally, never had issues, but assuming Coda thought about this for a bit before making the statement and was coming at it from a similar standpoint to me it was entirely accurate from my point of view on the subject.


If over ripening for bananas is stress induced, then so it CS..... if CS is NOT stress induced, than neither is over ripening....same exact biological process, just on separate scale of time and efficiency.


thanks for the link and the 13/11 info btw Stoneth! steered me towards quite a few interesting things to read and thoughts to pursue! :smile: and as always much love for stopping by my grow log!:heart: forgive me if , I come across as condescending, just sharing how Ive come to understand the subject.


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The queen's been putting on a few these days :cool: am quite pleased for what is now 125ish watts from a non-single source :lol:




seedlings taking off nicely :cool: one in the middle is getting quite hefty for a week old from seed.


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Re: RQS Special Queen #1 x Seedsman Original Afghani #1 Outdoor 2016 [Re: Milktruck]
    #816613 - 07/08/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

last update till harvest for the lanky queen, probably 10-14 days left to where i want her :laugh:

three fattest tops: The Skunk Be strong in the Lanky, probably 9 weeks or a little more under pure CFL to harvest, just hit a little bit past 8 weeks of flower i believe. probably gonna let her go total close to 10

noticing some fresh foxtailing starting, thinking it has something do do with those 3-4 days she went back to 13/11,  not the biggest fan of foxtailing, means a harder trim job and extra twigs in the bud, definitely something to do with that change in light cycle though, this clone usually doesn't do that and its only foxtailing on a few tops, less than half actually.













Outdoor queen is currently in the process of exploding as well :cool: Lookin like shes gonna cola up nicely :awesome:









Fat top gonna be FAT lol


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