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saggy leaves during flowering a problem?
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I noticed these bushy plants are having saggy leaves,is this normal? I just threw them into flowering about a week ago. My other 2 plants are perky as all hell, yet they aren't nearly as bushy




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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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When was your last watering? They look a little underwatered to me but idk :tongue:


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: lorrainesic]
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yesterday and 3 days before- same as my other 2 and they look fine. maybe they reqiure a bit more due to their bushiness and more leaves, etc?

Edited by Fert Nitty (03/25/15 08:19 PM)

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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I noticed the bigger my plants got the thirstier they got and the soil kept drying out a bit faster:P my plants also sag a bit sometimes if i look at them right at the beginning of their light period, or end of their dark period, they seem to perk up during the light hours.

I'm pretty new to growing myself hopefully someone here can give you a better diagnostic, goodluck man!


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“I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?”
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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: lorrainesic]
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they prolly need more water - makes since..

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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The way i tell is if the stems aren't drooping any but the leaves are then its over watered.

If the stems and leaves are drooping then it needs more water:P


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“I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?”
Willie Nelson quotes

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: lorrainesic]
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A common idea is to feel the weight of the bucket.
Dry soil being very light


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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Needs water I think


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: H J Farnsworth]
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is it normal for leaves to yellow and brown and fall off like so -

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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Sometimes if the bottom doesn't get enough light....
It doesn't look all that happy though down there either way


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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I have a 23 watt cfl midpoint in the middle of 4 plants and the 2 shaggier plants are the ones losing leaves and sagging.

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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You mean as a supplement, or that's what you're using?
The other things you could look at is the water you're giving them or ensuring nothings eating them.

not sure if you're checking ph but are you using chlorine free water at least?
Water when the bucket feels light
Add water slowly until it runs out the bottom a good amount

Are you using nutrients?


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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No, I have em under a 400 watt HPS at the moment, with the cfl standing in the middle between the 4

I transitioned from (2-1-6) veg nutes to (5-0-1) what I am using now. Also to note that I transplanted the two suffering plants to different pots a couple days ago.. trauma? Pretty sure its not bugs, I dealt with spider-mites a while ago and am pretty familiar with their signs. I feel like maybe I havent been watering enough.

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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Sometimes plants bum out for a bit after transplanting. water em if needed.
water immediately after a transplant is standard in botony


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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think I should remove the yellow leaves or let em be?

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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50% or more dead/damaged is what I stick to.
Pretty sure that's what Cervantes says.

Cheers


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: ashfiken]
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I wouldn't. although bottom pruning isn't always so bad....
Yellowed leaves often recover if their cause is corrected


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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damn more yellow today.

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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I havent checked ph in a couple weeks i will check now

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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I have another q? Is it necessary to check ph of soil in all my plants if I am using the same nute mixture and soil?

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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No. what's your water at?


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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soil is at about 6.3

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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Well...again, are you using nutrients?
Chlorine free water?


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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I listed the nutes that I am using. and I am using day old tap water

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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I transitioned from (2-1-6) veg nutes to (5-0-1)- what I am using now.

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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No but it's a good habit


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: H J Farnsworth]
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Heh^ ?

What's the name of the nutrient you're using that contains no P?

{PHOSPHORUS (P)Slow or stunted growth, red stems. Smaller leaves that are dark green. Lower leaves yellow and die. Add chemical fertilizer containing P. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will apear normal.}

The tops look good still thankfully...


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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oeric mckenna said:
I wouldn't. although bottom pruning isn't always so bad....
Yellowed leaves often recover if their cause is corrected



This is not true what so ever.



OP, you should fill out the questionnaire at the top of this forum.


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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
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Hawksresurrection said:
oeric mckenna said:
I wouldn't. although bottom pruning isn't always so bad....
Yellowed leaves often recover if their cause is corrected



This is not true what so ever.



OP, you should fill out the questionnaire at the top of this forum.


What  is not true? I shouldn't leave the leaves? Also,
I read the checklist thoroughly and it is hard for me to tell some of the differences between deficiencies - that is why I was hoping someone with experience would be able to hone in on my specific problem.

my nutes i mentioned




how they look

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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Fert Nitty said:
Hawksresurrection said:
oeric mckenna said:
I wouldn't. although bottom pruning isn't always so bad....
Yellowed leaves often recover if their cause is corrected



This is not true what so ever.



OP, you should fill out the questionnaire at the top of this forum.


What  is not true? I shouldn't leave the leaves? Also,
I read the checklist thoroughly and it is hard for me to tell some of the differences between deficiencies - that is why I was hoping someone with experience would be able to hone in on my specific problem.

my nutes i mentioned




how they look




What I quoted isn't true.  Damaged leaves do not heal.


At the top of the forum is a questionnaire, that's what I want you to full out.  Its not a check list


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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.

-niteowl

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
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Yellow leaves won't turn green again??
They sure can!


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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These new pics tho,
Plants need a flush is all. leaves have the claw shape.
Easily recognized. slightly burned looking tips.
(Nitrogen toxicity)

I'm not saying burned, crunchy leaves will ever recover but yellowing sure as hell can.
I've seen leaves that were really bleached out turn lush green again when flushed & ph corrected

If thats not true, we must be living in alternate realities..


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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I have not seen damaged leaves recover once, in over ten years of growing.  Especially leaves that look like his.


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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
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Crunchy or brown, no
Yellow or lime green but still fleshy, yes

There are, as you know, also many causes of yellowing, including overlooked things like genetics, and cold temps.

I've been growing for 21 years, but I'm by no means an expert of any kind.


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Oeric's Winter Grow Projects

Edited by oeric mckenna (04/01/15 12:02 AM)

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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OP, I have to say using thick masking tap wrapped around your stem to a stake won't help your plant to grow.  Of course pulling it off now wouldn't be a good idea.  Also you have foil over the top of your soil that is holding water in where you kind of want evaporation and normal processes.

What is the pH and solids (tds) of your starting water before you add anything?

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: GoonerHeClips]
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The stem is not to help growth.when that plant was a baby I dropped a ballast on her - snapped the main stem in half so I had her taped upfor awhile. When I initiated flowering the top of her became wobbly so I attached her to the stake to keep her from leaning heavily . Especially when flowering progresses

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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Usually the bottom of the plant is the first to go when the plant cannot sustain itself - it focuses the energy onto the top of the plant receiving the most light. Those damaged leaves never recover, as they were used as nutrient reserves for the rest of the plant.

I'm guessing your bushier plants used their soil nutrients faster and are now deficient.

And your just using the FloraMicro? Those are micro nutrients - not the one's the plant uses in large quantities (macro nutrients). You need FloraBloom as a primary nutrient source if your sticking with that brand.

Getting a potasium-silicate product will help with plant stability. It thickens the cell walls and helps prevent bugs as well because of it. I use Pro-tekt by Dyna Grow, but any brand should work.


You shouldn't prune healthy leaf because the plant transfers the (light) energy to the most important part-- the flower. I'd let the yellow die completely as to get the most of what remains in the dying leaf.


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: phychotron]
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Really these aren't correct nutrients? That pisses me off because I went into the hydroponics store and explained to them I was just getting started and didn't know much about notes at all. He and other employee said the green one was all I needed for veg and transition into the red for flowering. Fuck.did I ruin my crop?

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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not ruined yet, but you will need the bloom formula.

NEVER trust the hydro store. They hire people off the street to recommend products they've never used and more experienced salesmen will will recommend products you don't need in order to sell more random products.

Before you leave the hydro store ask yourself: "am I buying anything I didn't come here for, and why?"


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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If it will be awhile before you can get the bottle of Bloom, you could give it some of the Grow formula to at least give it something to feed off of.

It won't be the ideal ratio of flower nutrients, but it will be the same nutrients.

Basically, Green/Red in veg, then Pink/Red in bloom. The red/Micro nutrients are still needed, but not the primary food of the plants. Its a 2-part nutrient system because they are incompatible in the same bottle. Other companies might use an A/B labeling system and have you use equal parts of both. Think of the green as Veg part A, pink as Bloom part A and red as part B to both.

and if you really wanted to step up your game you'd get some Kool Bloom (P-K booster)for the week and a half starting around week 5.

The most basic formula for flowering bud is to use a base nutrient and a PK booster mid-flower.


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: phychotron]
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Check the feed schedules at the gen hydro website for better details. It looks like its actually a 3 part nutrient. I don't have any experience with this actual brand so someone else with experience should be able to give you an idea of what to use.


feed chart
http://generalhydroponics.com/site/gh/docs/feeding_sched/GH_FloraSeries-Simple.pdf


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: phychotron]
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I use tiger bloom for flowering. simple & gives great results!
Occasionaly I'll mix with "bio bud"


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: oeric mckenna]
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yup well looks like igot a trip to make after school.. I lost my debitcard last night, so I gotta go try and track that down first

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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well i got the bloom mix as well, and I didnt realize I was supposed to mix all 3 parts together. . I did just that

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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: Fert Nitty]
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by together you mean in the water, not as concentrates right? They'll form solids and not work if you mix the concentrated bottles together.


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Re: saggy leaves during flowering a problem? [Re: phychotron]
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Yea in water first. Good lookin out tho.

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