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Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms...
    #740595 - 07/18/14 01:01 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Plants turn hermaphroditic in two ways. Some plants are programmed genetically as hermaphrodites. These plants will produce male flowers on female plants no matter what environmental situations they face. Other plants are induced to grow male flowers under stress conditions. Some plants may be more genetically predisposed to hermaphroditism under stress, but all plants may exhibit male flowers as a sign of stress created by growing conditions. This hermaphroditism is not genetic and does not affect the plant's progeny.




Ive read several times here that if you stress your plant into herming and it pollinates itself or your other plants the seeds they produce will be worthless because they'll likely end up herms as well.

Which is correct?


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Re: Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms... [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #740602 - 07/18/14 02:09 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

much more likely to be herms, even more so when to itself then other plants
also depending on how its stressed ito changing its sex.


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Re: Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms... [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #740611 - 07/18/14 03:03 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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bEelzeBosS said:
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Plants turn hermaphroditic in two ways. Some plants are programmed genetically as hermaphrodites. These plants will produce male flowers on female plants no matter what environmental situations they face. Other plants are induced to grow male flowers under stress conditions. Some plants may be more genetically predisposed to hermaphroditism under stress, but all plants may exhibit male flowers as a sign of stress created by growing conditions. This hermaphroditism is not genetic and does not affect the plant's progeny.




Ive read several times here that if you stress your plant into herming and it pollinates itself or your other plants the seeds they produce will be worthless because they'll likely end up herms as well.

Which is correct?




Old Ed is out of his mind when it comes to feminizing seeds. Very nice guy (we use to work together in Oakland teaching classes) but he thinks along the lines of Soma of Soma Seeds. Yes both methods work but one gives a ton of hermies.


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Re: Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms... [Re: Magash]
    #740687 - 07/19/14 06:44 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

hey magash. pleasure to chat with you.
Have you guys noticed the difference between the male pollen sacks on buds and what I refer to as famale pollen sacks?? ( looks like little bananas or wax beans...)
I've noticed that with a true hermie having male pollen sacks on buds, they continue that trait but with seeds from the female pollen sacks, the seeds are female of course, but more importantly not herms.  I do believe they may be more sensitive to herm triggers though as sort of a genetic memory impression as a self pollinating survival mechanism.


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Re: Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms... [Re: oeric mckenna] * 2
    #740691 - 07/19/14 10:25 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Well my process for making the seeds is to stress the plants with water, light, nutrients, and age. The plants that I can't get to go hermie are the ones I like to use with STS treatments. Plants that have easy triggers to turning hermie are thrown out. 

From my experience seeds made from plants that are true hermies have a very high rate of making hermie seeds.


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Re: Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms... [Re: Magash]
    #740710 - 07/19/14 04:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

yep yep

ive read ed's and soma's books

soma says a plant can tell when there aint no males around and will go hermie toward the very end of flowering anyways

life will find a way right??

im growing all feminised this year for the first time and i hope this hermie shit dont happen to me

ive always relied on a good seed germ and optimum conditions to produce a mostly female crop for years

or ive just been lucky:smile:


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Re: Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms... [Re: Mr. Wilson]
    #740712 - 07/19/14 05:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

That's when mine have been turning lately, towards the very end. My first 8 plants, no herms. My last 4 all different strains, all hermied the last two weeks of flowering. No change in conditions at all. I cut them down and still got great seedless smoke from them but I hate cutting my plants down before I get any amber trichomes.


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Re: Ed Rosenthal on Stress-induced Herms... [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #740780 - 07/20/14 01:50 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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soma says a plant can tell when there aint no males around and will go hermie toward the very end of flowering anyways

life will find a way right??





thats interesting i wonder if some strains are more prone to this.


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