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Update - Day 13, FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed)
    #663070 - 03/21/13 01:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone,

I'm new here but I've been a member of Shroomery (same username) for over 5 years. Got some free seeds from a friend's grow, along with some unknown mids seeds. I was bad about labeling so it may be awhile before I figure out which is which. One thing I do know is that I have a max of 3 (but def 2) of the bagseed plants growing. There are 14-15 Aurora Indica seedlings. All of them *appear* to have indica phenos, even the ones I think are bagseed.

Grow Breakdown

Indoor or Outdoor: Indoor

Grow Room: Walk in closet with AC ventilation, white stucco walls, attic for venting, approx 10'x5'x8'

Primary Light Source and Wattage (if Indoor): 400w MH early on then 1000w LED

Strain(s) being Grown: Aurora Indica and 2-3 Unknown

Type of Genetics: 3rd generation Aurora Indica, source unknown. Bagseed, source unkown

#Plants before sexing: 17

Growth Medium(s): Started in organic veggie soil, transferring to Sunshine #4 advanced mix
Time Span from
- Seed to Seedling: 3-8 days
- Vegetative to Flowering: N/A
- Flowering to Harvest: N/A


Light Source(s)
- Seedling: 400w MH
- Seedling-Flower: 1000w LED will also most likely use a 400w HPS in unison


Temperatures and Humidity Levels: 70-78 F, 50-70%

Nutrient Combinations and Feeding Cycles: Entire Fox Farms Line (9 products) at recommended feeding

Pruning & Training Techniques: LST

Problems and How You Solved Them:
-Air Circulation: Passive intake to attic
-Boiling yellow residue in MH: Replaced, ordered 1000w LED


Harvest & Curing Methods: N/A


Grow Progress


Week 2, Day 8:





Soils a bit hot, but hopefully they come out okay.



Some genetic mutation on these leaves


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663089 - 03/21/13 04:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

PH/Soil too hot in my opinion.


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: mhbound]
    #663201 - 03/22/13 03:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Second set of leaves coming in nicely, seeing some internodal separation finally. lookin' good dudes.


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663252 - 03/22/13 11:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Some tiny roots popping out of the bottom of some of the pots, can anyone reading chime in on repotting them to gallons soon?


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663256 - 03/23/13 12:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I wait until my plants growth starts slowing down some or at the very least until the roots really start coming out of the bottom. You can do it either way but that is just what I have always done...Don't remember if there is any reason I started doing it or if its just a habit. Just be sure to move them a few weeks before you switch to flowering(again my opinion).


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: mhbound]
    #663566 - 03/25/13 11:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just installed the 1000w LED. That shit is blindingly bright - like everything looks green for a few minutes after being in the grow room. Currently it is 2 ft above plants, and gets slightly hotter than the 400w MH.

Will be updating soon with end of 2nd week pics. 3 pronged leaves filling in.


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663643 - 03/26/13 04:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck yeah its bright, LED panels are insanely bright.

you will not catch me in a grow room without polarized sunglasses whether it is LED or HPS.  I advise to do the same, cant be good for your eyes.

The green coloring is extreme saturation of color on your eyes.


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: PoloDown]
    #663670 - 03/26/13 05:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Have you used LEDs in a grow before PoloDown? I'm having a really hard time finding a sweet spot for the distance. It's a good bit hotter than the MH I was using so I'm worried I'll burn em. Can't find a single grow on the interwebs using a 1000 watts of LED.

Day 13 Pics:





2 genetically deformed plants were culled due to slow growth. Down to 15 plants. 10/15 repotted


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663686 - 03/26/13 08:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Christ!  I know it's bad form to ask, but how much does 1000W of LEDs cost?  And how many lumens does that put out?


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: zzzzzz]
    #663694 - 03/26/13 08:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

zzzzzz, a bit over 600 bucks on many of the popular international auction sites. So really, only twice as much as a very high quality HPS or MH without the need for air cooling.

Its chinese, but has 3w diodes, IR diodes, and has 8 or 9 spectra. It has a quality encasing with 4 fans built in. So if they are telling the truth it has the same stats as any premium LED.  As far as lumens, I'm not sure - but we know for a fact that LED lights have less penetrating power than HIDs. I plan on solving this via LST or scrog.

The company selling it "claims" that it functions as well as 1500w of HID - but that is not proven. If you buy an american brand name LED, you would be looking at a few thousand bucks. So we'll see if I end up regretting going cheap, but so far so good.


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663761 - 03/27/13 01:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Really weird, under the 1000w LED the meristem growth seems a bright green/yellow compared to the rest of the plant. I was shitting bricks so I brought them under regular light to check, and it looked normal.

Can any broscientists give me a hypothesis as to why? Is the LED showing me something that regular light wouldn't and I should worry about a deficiency/burning?


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663763 - 03/27/13 01:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mebbe a little leaning of the spectrum into the ultraviolet range?


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: zzzzzz]
    #663764 - 03/27/13 01:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

zzzzzz, that's definitely possible since it has UV diodes.

What do you think of the stats/price of the 1000w, are you considering an LED grow?


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663765 - 03/27/13 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Shrink said:
Have you used LEDs in a grow before PoloDown? I'm having a really hard time finding a sweet spot for the distance. It's a good bit hotter than the MH I was using so I'm worried I'll burn em. Can't find a single grow on the interwebs using a 1000 watts of LED.

Day 13 Pics:





2 genetically deformed plants were culled due to slow growth. Down to 15 plants. 10/15 repotted




yeah all i use is LED. I never get closer then 12", I usually have them about 15" away minimum.  Its really hard to say how close they should be.  I'm sure with such a powerful light like yours i would do at at least 20" away.  Im just guessing though.

My Kessil h150 can be like 6" away vs my 180w blackstar can be like 10" away, I am using an Apollo 280w ( actual watts ) but right now its like 24" away at least because Idk how truely strong it is just yet


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: PoloDown]
    #663766 - 03/27/13 01:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm kind of klutzing around because I don't have the light adjustable or ceiling mounted. I have 2 rungs of closet bars for support. One is too close, one is too far - so I have to prop them up.

I guess I should cut the crap and mount it to the ceiling, I'm just so new to any do-it-yourself work and have few tools.


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663769 - 03/27/13 01:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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zzzzzz, that's definitely possible since it has UV diodes.

What do you think of the stats/price of the 1000w, are you considering an LED grow?




Not really.  Kinda beyond my budget right now.  That and other logistic problems ....  But that price is good, esp. compared to domestic or "first world" products.  Not yet where I'd like to see it yet.  HPS/MH definitely have the value advantage.

I suspect I would make the move to HPS/MH and quit messing around with these fluorescents.  We'll see how things go with my partner (can't be done where I live).


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: zzzzzz]
    #663771 - 03/27/13 01:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I suspect in the next few years the systems wil get more advanced and the pricing will be competitive. Another advantage of LEDs is using about 80% less energy and having a much longer lifespan.

So I think by the time this system burns out I'll have made up my money twice over.

Ordered an adjustable distance ceiling mount system. Time to stop fiddling around with my fixed closet bars!


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663781 - 03/27/13 02:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Good on ya, Shrink!  It's true that, if they pay for themselves, that's the bottom line.


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: zzzzzz]
    #663798 - 03/27/13 07:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Damn this sunshine mix is drying out fast as hell. Or maybe I'm not watering enough to start with? I usually water almost a liter per gallon of soil. It can't be the roots just yet, the plants just got transplanted.

EDIT: Resaturated the soil. Didn't even come close the first time I guess. Took like 6 gallons to saturate the total of 11 gallons! Poor little guys wanted water.

Next time I'll have a better idea of how much to water


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Re: FIRST GROW: 1000w LED, Sunshine #4 - Aurora Indica (and Mexican Mids Bagseed) [Re: Shrink]
    #663926 - 03/28/13 08:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Moved the light from 6 inches to 18 inches (installed an adjustable ceiling mount).I think 6 was a little too close, some of the plants looked sad after transplanting too.

2 have lost turgor and look pretty dire :frown: hope they make it. Most likely due to overwatering since it took trial and error to get the new promix right (over-right lol).

New growth is yellow-er, I'm kind of freaking out. Could this be due to transplanting, introduction of nutes, or the change from MH to LED, anyone?


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