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First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker from Seed) NOW Flowering(ALL FEMALES)
    #636763 - 09/08/12 10:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hello stoners I finally made the jump over from the Shroomery and will now have dual citizenship between these boards :tongue2:


I am about to go out by my ladies and snap some pics, I believe it's time to ask the wisdom of the board.

The seeds came from a hermaphrodite that pollinated some females, so they should be feminized but they were germinated some time around July 4th and sprouted indoors under the light of my aero garden.

They went outside August 5th and have been thriving in their new environment.

We dug 2' x 2' holes and did a soil transplant with Miracle Grow potting soil from Walmart with some composted manure/peat/verm mixed into the dirt at 1/3 ratio to soil.

Chicken wired around them and garlic water spray to keep bugs off they are seemingly very very happy and green.

The plants themselves are really starting to space out and it looks like they are getting ready to flower.

I am going to snap some pics this morning when my partner gets here and upload them for some feedback from the community.

This is my first grow attempt at any plant other then cacti so bear with me:stoned::mushroom2: Pics will be up before noon


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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #636767 - 09/08/12 12:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Well you have "feminized seeds".  But you have feminized seeds that will more than likely throw bananas or be full on hermies. 



But then again you could luck out.  Here's a good tek on how to make a decent feminized seed, courtesy of Magash.


I use the method that Hawk mentioned but I use a sts mixture. I've also used colloidal silver but that method is used if I have no sts.

Preparation of STS:
First, a stock solution is made. It consists of two parts (A and B) that are initially mixed separately, then blended together. Part A is ALWAYS mixed into part B while stirring rapidly. Use distilled water; tap water may cause precipitates to form.

Wear gloves while mixing and using these chemicals, and mix and use in a properly ventilated area. A mask will prevent the breathing of any dust, which is caustic. STS is colorless and odorless, and poses minimal health risks if used as described here. (See material safety data sheet links below). Note that silver nitrate and STS can cause brown stains upon drying, so spray over newspaper and avoid spilling.

Part A: .5 gram silver nitrate stirred into 500ml distilled water
Part B: 2.5 grams sodium thiosulfate (anhydrous) stirred into 500ml distilled water

The silver nitrate dissolves within 15 seconds. The sodium thiosulfate takes 30-45 seconds to dissolve.

The silver nitrate solution (A) is then mixed into the sodium thiosulfate solution (B) while stirring rapidly. The resulting blend is stock silver thiosulfate solution (STS).

This stock solution is then diluted at a ratio of 1:9 to make a working solution. For example, 100ml of stock STS is added to 900ml of distilled water. This is then sprayed on select female plants.

Both the stock STS and the working solution should be refrigerated after use, as well as the powdered chemicals, to avoid activity loss. Excess working solution can be safely poured down the drain after use (with ample running water) with negligible environmental impact. It's pretty cheap.

Each liter of stock STS will make ten 1-liter batches of working solution of STS. With the minimum amount of base chemicals ordered from Photographer's Formulary (see link below), this means that each 1-liter bottle of working solution STS costs less than 9 cents, and can treat 15-20 mid-sized plants. That's 200 1-liter batches of STS for $18. Note that the distilled water costs far more than the chemicals.

Application:
The STS working solution is sprayed on select female plants until runoff. Do the spraying over newspaper in a separate area from the flower room. You probably won't smell anything, but ventilate anyway. You now have what I call a "F>M plant"; a female plant that will produce male flowers.

After the F>M plant dries move it into 12/12 immediately. This is usually done three to four weeks prior to the date that the target (to be pollinated) plants will be ready to pollinate. Response times may vary slightly depending upon the strain. More specific times can be determined by trial with your own individual strains. In my trials it took 26 days for the first pollen. 30-35 days seems optimum for planning purposes.

So, assuming that a target plant needs 3-4 weeks to produce fully mature seeds, a strain that takes 8 weeks to mature should be moved into flower at about the same time as the female>male plant. A target plant that finishes flowering in 6 weeks needs to be moved into flower later (10 days or so) so that it doesn't finish before the seeds can fully mature.

A seeded individual branch can be left to mature on a plant for a bit longer, while harvesting the other seedless buds if they finish first. Just leave enough leaves on for the plant for it to stay healthy.

Effects:
Within days I noticed a yellowing of the leaves on the F>M plants. This effect persisted for two weeks or so; after this they became green again, except for a few of the larger fans. The plants otherwise seemed healthy. No burning was observed. Growth stopped dead for the first ten days, and then resumed slowly. No stretch was ever seen. After two weeks the F>M plants were obviously forming male flower clusters. Not just a few clusters of balls, but complete male flower tops. One plant still formed some pistillate flowers, but overall it was predominantly male.

It is strange indeed to see an old girlfriend that you know like the back of your hand go through a sex change. I'll admit that things were awkward between us at first.

When the F>M plants look like they may soon open and release pollen, ( 3-1/2 to 4 weeks) move them from the main flower room into another unventilated room or closet with lighting on a 12/12 timer. Don't worry too much about watts per square foot; it will only be temporary.

When the pollen flies, move your target plants into the closet and pollinate.

A more controlled approach is to isolate the F>M plants in a third remote closet (no light is necessary in this one, as they are releasing pollen now and are nearly finished anyway). In this remote other closet the pollen is very carefully collected in a plastic produce bag or newspaper sleeve and then brought back to the lighted closet, where the target plants are now located. If this is done, be careful to not mix pollen types by letting the F>Ms dust each other. Avoid movement, or use yet another closet.

Take special care to not let pollen gather on the outside of this bag- a static charge is sometimes present. Drop small open clusters of blooms inside and then close the bag at the mouth and shake. Important: next, step outside and slowly release the excess air from the bag, collapsing it completely, so that pollen doesn't get released accidentally. Points downwind; don't let it get on your hands or clothes.

This collapsed pollinated bag is now very carefully slipped over only one branch and is then tied off tightly at the mouth around the branch stem with a twist tie or tape, sealing the pollen inside. Let the bag inflate slightly with air again before sealing it off, so the branch can breathe. This technique keeps the entire plant from seeding. Agitate the bag a bit after tying it off to distribute the pollen. Don't forget to label the branch so you know which seeds are which. Other branches on this same plant can be hit with different pollen sources.

If no lighted closet is available, the plant can be moved back into the main room, but- be very careful: pollen is sneaky. After 4-5 days, the bag is gently removed and the plant completes its flowering cycle.

Yet another method has worked well for me. I position the target plants in a non-ventilated lighted closet, and then I collect pollen on a piece of mirror or glass. This is then carefully applied to the pistils of one pre-labeled branch by using a very fine watercolor paintbrush. Care is taken to not agitate the branch or the pollen. No sneezing. The plant needs to be in place first; moving it after pollination can shake pollen free and blow this technique.

Regardless of technique, at completion you will have feminized seeds. Let them dry for 2-4 weeks.

About the chemicals:
Silver nitrate is a white crystalline light-sensitive chemical that is commonly used in photography. It is also used in babies' eyes at birth to prevent blindness. It can cause mild skin irritation, and it stains brown. Avoid breathing. I didn't notice any smell or fumes, but ventilation is recommended. Be sure to wash the spray bottle well before you use it elsewhere; better yet: devote a bottle to STS use. A half gram is a surprisingly small amount; it would fit inside a gel capsule.


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Dude she isn't as young as she use to be.

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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #636777 - 09/08/12 02:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Very cool brother thanks for the info. As I said I have more of a blue thumb then green :smirk:

My partner is also a stubborn bastard who refuses to accept information besides what he read in his marijuana grow bible which is probably outdated.

Here is some photos from today you tell me what you think, they smell skunky but still vegitatively skunky, not bud skunky.

Here are my 3 bitches(hopefully)



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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #636778 - 09/08/12 02:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Get those cages off of em, or get bigger cages.  Those plants look a little cramped in there.  Other wise they look great.


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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #636779 - 09/08/12 02:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

They just grew into them this week since I been out there but we can add wire on top and just keep the branches tied to the screen to train them to go up rather then out.. This would work right?


The wire is down in the ground so I would have to cut it away with snips which is doable but I am concerned about deer/other pests.  There are a lot here in WI especially this time of the year.


But you know better then me and I can always construct a new fence just need more wire.

You tell me what you think and I shall abide, Dude.:tongue2:


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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #636780 - 09/08/12 03:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely make a bigger cage.  Just keep expanding it every time you go out there.


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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #636781 - 09/08/12 03:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Can I just make it taller and train the branches vertically or would you recommend cutting away the old screen and making a larger one around it? (Its buried about 1ft down in the ground, the fence now that is) so that it can expand in width? Would be a bit trickier but I can figure it out if you think it will be most beneficial.


I sure hope they flower soon :sun:


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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #636782 - 09/08/12 03:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I would cut it off and just start new.  No need to bury in the ground IMO.  Just weight it down with rocks.


I guess you could train vertically, but I wouldn't seen any reason to do that.  Seems like that would inhibit your yield.


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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #636783 - 09/08/12 03:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ok my buddy an I agrreed we will cut the screen off completely and make a new cage.

I'll keep this updated weekly/bi-weekly if I can for learning purposes. This knowledge is way overdue for me to learn


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Re: First Outdoor Grow (Skywalker Feminized) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #637544 - 09/16/12 07:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)



WOOT!


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