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Are these buds ready now?
    #613221 - 03/18/12 10:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

(keeep in mind I intend to give it 48 hours of dark before harvest)







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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613225 - 03/18/12 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Look kinda small to be ready.  How many weeks in are you?  Are the trichomes turning?

And dude, I've already tried the 2 days of no light.  It doesn't do anything, really a waste of time.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613235 - 03/18/12 10:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Look kinda small to be ready.  How many weeks in are you?  Are the trichomes turning?




It's a very small plant in a 5 inch pot. It's been outdoors on around 12/12 since germination so I can't say, but its been about 5 & 1/2 weeks since I first saw the pistils come out... so 6 & 1/2 weeks in? what do you mean by turning?

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And dude, I've already tried the 2 days of no light.  It doesn't do anything, really a waste of time.




Really? I read it on the cervantes guide but it doesn't make sense why it should work anyway, how dafuck do 48 hours of darkness happen in nature. Thanks man!


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613237 - 03/18/12 10:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's not about it happening in nature.  The theory is you stress it out so it will produce more trichomes.  A lot of literature mentions it.  The overgrow book did, cervantes did as well.  A lot of people believe that it works.  But through all the experiments I've tried it hasnt done shit.


You need to get a magnifying class and look at the trichomes.  The heads of them will turn amber when it's getting close to harvest time.  You want to see 30-40% amber colored.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613259 - 03/19/12 12:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)




I got a scope like this


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: P-O]
    #613289 - 03/19/12 03:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

fyi - 
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Dinafem Seeds White Widow  is the most potent cannabis on Earth and is named for the abundance of trichomes, giving the plant a whitish tint. It is also one of the more powerful strains of marijuana (alongside AK-47 and Afghan Kush) with a very high 20%-25% THC content.
White Widow feminized seeds are (60%/40%) indica/sativa cross-strain and is best suited to indoor cannabis cultivation.  Cannabis seeds grow as high as 35-80 cm with the yield up to 450 gr per m2. It's suggested to flower (12 hour light) this marijuana variety for 8 weeks, but 10 weeks will really give you the crystals you are after. Try to turn the lights off altogether the final 2 weeks of the flowering cycle- or at least down to 8 hours. This keeps the flowers from re-growth and stresses the plant into giving up its last drop of goodness as crystal to protect the flower! The buds have so much THC on them that it is hard to see them at all.




from here http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/dinafem-seeds-white-widow/prod_57.html

2 weeks.. :eyeball::eyeball:

Not that I do this nor do I even have an opinion about it, I just remember reading about the dark period at the end of flowering being recommended still. :hippie:

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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: 13buds] * 1
    #613291 - 03/19/12 04:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Again, it doesn't do anything.  It's not going to reveg under 12/12, this just sounds like a lot of hyperbole from the seeds company.  I mean for fucks sake they're saying

"The buds have so much THC on them that it is hard to see them at all." 


Come on, they could at least say trichomes.  It's not "covered in THC".


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613305 - 03/19/12 07:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I've done the 48 hour darkness thing too. Didn't really see any difference at all.

I mean, if you want to try it, by all means, go for it...but I feel like if you want a final growth stretch or something, letting it go 2 more days under the lights is going to do a hell of a lot more for it than 2 days in the dark!  :2cents:

I have heard that stress before harvest can produce a sudden increase in trichs or something similar, but I haven't ever really seen anything to back it up so its all just hearsay to me until someone provides some solid evidence.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: RasJeph]
    #613326 - 03/19/12 01:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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RasJeph said: letting it go 2 more days under the lights is going to do a hell of a lot more for it than 2 days in the dark!  :2cents:





My sentiments exactly! thanks guys! What I will do is give it one hour more hour of dark (the sun sets at about 6 and it goes into the darkness box at 7, so just put it in at 6 from now on, no light time lost anyway) or will that increase chances of herminess?


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613336 - 03/19/12 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you're chopping her down soon anyway, theres not much need to worry about it hermieing up. If something you do at this point causes male flowers just cut it down :tongue2:


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This has got to be ready now !!!!!!!! [Re: RasJeph]
    #613364 - 03/19/12 05:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This has got to be ready! I see plenty of amber trichs! no?

If and when I harvest would it be best to harvest the top bit and leave the rest for a few more days? I want absolute peak THC but I don't know if being such a small plant changes anything? Thanks!!!

















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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613366 - 03/19/12 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I see a few that look like they might be turning, but with out a magnifying device of some sort you can't tell


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613368 - 03/19/12 06:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I see a few that look like they might be turning, but with out a magnifying device of some sort you can't tell




what do you mean by turning? turning amber? and can't you see the little amber trichs on the pics, or is there a need for more of a close up to determine something? what is one supposed to look at? I might be able to get one by tomorrow, thanks


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613369 - 03/19/12 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As I looked at it again I can see that you have about 1 in 40-50 that are amber.  Not time to harvest yet buddy.



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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613371 - 03/19/12 06:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The 7th picture down in that post looks pretty good to go to me. But oddly enough, the others don't so much. Maybe its a trick of the lighting?


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: RasJeph]
    #613374 - 03/19/12 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The 7th picture down in that post looks pretty good to go to me. But oddly enough, the others don't so much. Maybe its a trick of the lighting?




Agreed, I think it's because that's the top of the plant, maybe the rest is not quite ready... that's why I'm asking about harvest one bit first and then the rest?


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613377 - 03/19/12 07:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't worry about that.  I can see the trichs.  Not ready.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613394 - 03/19/12 09:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i think what the dark time does is allows the trichomes to get longer because of no heat causing them to dry up. im sure everyone has noticed that trichs on lower popcorn buds seem WAY frostier even some breeders take pics of those little buds caue there so much more sugary. i would be just lowering light intensity for a week or so would give a bit of a result.  ??? i dunno just my thought on the subject, but kinda makes sense.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: the man]
    #613397 - 03/19/12 09:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dunno about that.  My lower buds aren't frostier than the big top buds.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613402 - 03/19/12 10:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dunno about that.  My lower buds aren't frostier than the big top buds.



Neither are mine.
This jsut doesn't make much since to me, last I checked planted needed light to do their thing, it's their primary energy source.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613438 - 03/20/12 12:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't worry about that.  I can see the trichs.  Not ready.




I'll trust you! how long should I wait then? aprox? thanks


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613440 - 03/20/12 12:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No way to tell you that man.  You just need to get a magnifying glass and keep and eye on em man.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613505 - 03/20/12 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No way to tell you that man.  You just need to get a magnifying glass and keep and eye on em man.




Ok I might be able to get one today, whats the minimum magnification one can get that still works?


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613524 - 03/20/12 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wont be able to get one soon, I'll have to relly on the pics, I think I will harvest today, or am I way off? I'd rather harvest early than late.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613557 - 03/20/12 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do whatever you want.  But you're going to sacrifice yield


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613567 - 03/20/12 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't want to sacrifice yield and I'm looking at these pics and it seems maybe they are almost but no quite ready. I won't be able to get a magnifier, don't know where to get one in this country.

Anyway, I would like the max amount of milky trichs (5-15% amber), is this not it? (I did my best getting close-ups of to trichs)

Sorry if I'm posting too much but I just want to do it right! thanks!













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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613568 - 03/20/12 05:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From those pictures you're not they're yet.  Give it time man.  Stop being in a rush to harvest.  Just post new pics like those every 3 days and we'll let you know.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #613576 - 03/20/12 06:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

OK Thanks!


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613841 - 03/22/12 01:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ready?



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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen] * 1
    #613842 - 03/22/12 01:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, seriously give it more than a day man.  You should check back in no less than 3 days.  Patience grasshopper.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: P-O]
    #613843 - 03/22/12 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: 13buds]
    #613876 - 03/22/12 05:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

id say itl be ready in 10 days get some amber goin


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    #613898 - 03/22/12 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry guys, it's just my first time you know. I'm just afraid I'll harvest slightly over ripe buds... I get kind of anxy as I see amber trichs cause I want max yield on milky side of things, max cloudy trichs as in the guide above posted you know, it's kind of what I see no? isnt this 5-10% amber!?!?!?!?!?


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613912 - 03/22/12 03:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

they still look clear to me, only the hairs look amber :shrug:

Id wait a few more days like hawk said. :bonghit2:


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: 13buds]
    #613917 - 03/22/12 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

okie doke
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they still look clear to me, only the hairs look amber :shrug:

Id wait a few more days like hawk said. :bonghit2:




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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #613981 - 03/22/12 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

IMO I would have harvested already.  I usually harvest at about
5 - 10 % amber.  Though who I grow for likes it more of a head buzz vs a more sedative buzz.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: phrostbyte]
    #613986 - 03/22/12 10:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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IMO I would have harvested already.  I usually harvest at about
5 - 10 % amber.  Though who I grow for likes it more of a head buzz vs a more sedative buzz.



fuck that just grow a pure sativa to 50/50 and he still has alot of clear trichs why do you harvest when there are still clear trichs seems like a waste


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    #613996 - 03/22/12 11:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah 5-10% is too low for me.  No less than 40% for me.


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    #614044 - 03/23/12 02:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

its deff sativa dominant the leaves are skinny as hell


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IMO I would have harvested already.  I usually harvest at about
5 - 10 % amber.  Though who I grow for likes it more of a head buzz vs a more sedative buzz.



why do you harvest when there are still clear trichs seems like a waste





When trichs turn Amber the TCH is degrading into CBN Which is a different chemical and actually has different affects than the THC itself.  Some people like the affects of the CBN mixed with the THC.  Hence the 50% 50% ratio.  While others do not. The 50% 50% ratio does not mean "max potency"  which when it comes to cannabis is really a self defined term. 

From what I have learned 50% amber to 50% cloudy is a good baseline to start with and then try.  After it has been tested you can then adjust the harvest time of the strain to suit what the consumer is looking for.  Clear trichs does not mean "wasting"  It would just mean more THC and less CBN in the final product.  Some trichs will be clear while the rest are cloudy leaving little to no CBN in the final product vs waiting till cloudy and amber meaning your mixing about equal THC to CBN in the final product.


Who I grow for smokes all day and still needs to be able to function well through out the day.  They have tried different "ripeness" and prefer earlier harvest as with the later harvest it made them feel more sedated which is caused by the higher amount of CBN.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: phrostbyte]
    #614202 - 03/24/12 12:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also you're buds are still bulking up in this period, so if you harvest to early then you get less yield.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: phrostbyte]
    #614216 - 03/24/12 12:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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IMO I would have harvested already.  I usually harvest at about
5 - 10 % amber.  Though who I grow for likes it more of a head buzz vs a more sedative buzz.



why do you harvest when there are still clear trichs seems like a waste





When trichs turn Amber the TCH is degrading into CBN Which is a different chemical and actually has different affects than the THC itself.  Some people like the affects of the CBN mixed with the THC.  Hence the 50% 50% ratio.  While others do not. The 50% 50% ratio does not mean "max potency"  which when it comes to cannabis is really a self defined term. 

From what I have learned 50% amber to 50% cloudy is a good baseline to start with and then try.  After it has been tested you can then adjust the harvest time of the strain to suit what the consumer is looking for.  Clear trichs does not mean "wasting"  It would just mean more THC and less CBN in the final product.  Some trichs will be clear while the rest are cloudy leaving little to no CBN in the final product vs waiting till cloudy and amber meaning your mixing about equal THC to CBN in the final product.


Who I grow for smokes all day and still needs to be able to function well through out the day.  They have tried different "ripeness" and prefer earlier harvest as with the later harvest it made them feel more sedated which is caused by the higher amount of CBN.





well i was saying clear is a waste because from what i understand clear trichs have less thc then milky or even light amber. i like my weed almost 100% amber. i have yet to get that in harvest, because imm afraid of fuckin it up, because i also have read if you let um go too long it degrades. all my favorite smokes are usually 80-100% amber.

i guess what i'm saying is i'm on the opposite end of that of your patients preference.  I'm also still wondering if that info about clear trichs is correct?


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Stoneth]
    #614335 - 03/24/12 05:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dunno about that.  My lower buds aren't frostier than the big top buds.



Neither are mine.
This jsut doesn't make much since to me, last I checked planted needed light to do their thing, it's their primary energy source.




ya it is the primary sourse but also limits how long the trichomes get due to rapid evaporation. density down and not as many on leaves obviously but the trichomes get alot longer on lower buds. check out BOGS photos alot are of the lower buds that look extra frosty. I mean this is where the "lights off tek" comes from u guys :smile:


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: the man]
    #614339 - 03/24/12 06:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I dont buy it.  I look at the buds that are growing my room right now and the lower buds are NOT frostier.


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    #614627 - 03/26/12 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

airy but when ready the trichs are LONGER


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: the man]
    #614630 - 03/26/12 02:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dunno about that.  My lower buds aren't frostier than the big top buds.



Neither are mine.
This jsut doesn't make much since to me, last I checked planted needed light to do their thing, it's their primary energy source.




ya it is the primary sourse but also limits how long the trichomes get due to rapid evaporation. density down and not as many on leaves obviously but the trichomes get alot longer on lower buds. check out BOGS photos alot are of the lower buds that look extra frosty. I mean this is where the "lights off tek" comes from u guys :smile:






Again, the lower buds aren't frostier.


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    #614634 - 03/26/12 03:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well its where the idea of turning lights off on widows comes from. take a picture of top cola and take a picture of decent popcorn bud trichs. u will see they are much longer :smile: less evaporation allows teh trichs to get longer like i said. anyway ull notice it one day. all good


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    #614635 - 03/26/12 03:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dunno about that.  My lower buds aren't frostier than the big top buds.



Neither are mine.
This jsut doesn't make much since to me, last I checked planted needed light to do their thing, it's their primary energy source.




ya it is the primary sourse but also limits how long the trichomes get due to rapid evaporation. density down and not as many on leaves obviously but the trichomes get alot longer on lower buds. check out BOGS photos alot are of the lower buds that look extra frosty. I mean this is where the "lights off tek" comes from u guys :smile:






Again, the lower buds aren't frostier.





i did have this really like ridiculously frosty nug on the bottom of my last plant but i think it was just a genetic abnormality


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    #614643 - 03/26/12 04:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #614756 - 03/26/12 05:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: 13buds]
    #614777 - 03/26/12 08:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

or here i dont think anyone can say there top buds have trichomes long like that. cheers http://reviews.nuggetry.com/bubba-lights-from-golden-state-patients-association-ldog-12078.html


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: the man]
    #614816 - 03/26/12 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well the first one you posted doesn't show where it is on the plant period.  Or reference it at all.  So don't even try to claim on that one.

And the other link you put up doesn't even load.  Good try though. 


I'll still go by my DIRECT experience in growing and experimenting with light off for 24-48 hours and there being NO difference.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #614828 - 03/26/12 11:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well the first one you posted doesn't show where it is on the plant period.  Or reference it at all.  So don't even try to claim on that one.

And the other link you put up doesn't even load.  Good try though. 


I'll still go by my DIRECT experience in growing and experimenting with light off for 24-48 hours and there being NO difference.


And I'm done with this.




it loaded for me when i clicked not now thou but its just a dried cured nug covered from head to toe doesnt prove anything


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    #614829 - 03/26/12 11:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no but it clearly isnt the top cola by its size shape and density :smile: either way no one observes those long trichs on main cola at teh very top i think u can agree.look at some of bogs pics by looking at them you can tell they arent the main top cola that is really dense. as im sure your experience has shown you. they are airy nugs but look extra frosty because of long trichs.  anyway lots of med growers observe this and has been discussed on other forums. And again its were the lights off theory comes from, gives the plant a break from evaporation so the trichs can get longer. and i am not saying the lights off tek does work really.


obviously the top colas are still more potent and higher trich counts but they just dont get as long so dont appear as frosty as ones where teh trichs are longer. also sometims happens on bottom of sugar leafs.

im not saying you dont have experience, but its an observation that is not always conspicious. its keep looking and youll see what i mean. like others even here have said they see this. perhaps you dont keep the smaller lower buds and cut your plants back alot?? also if there is high ventilation or low humidity they wont get as long. im sure in theory you can understand how low evaporation would allow the trichs to get longer.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: the man]
    #614830 - 03/26/12 11:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

punk rock. no not really ur right, just makign the assumption that the airier nugs are not from the top of the plant.


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    #614831 - 03/26/12 11:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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punk rock. no not really ur right, just makign the assumption that the airier nugs are not from the top of the plant.



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    #614847 - 03/27/12 01:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well i mean how many high quality nugs esp indicas that are fluffy buds near the top of the plant?? pretty much never, so its a pretty safe assumption. like that buddha tahoe pic, I dont think anyone can argue that is a top cola..

oh and that one link I guess the site is down right now. ITs just a pic.

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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: the man]
    #615323 - 03/30/12 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I finally harvested last friday! a week ago actually. I read through the last posts here and was kind of pissed off to see 40% amber trichs suggested as peak harvest! Isn't that 40% degraded thc?!?! As phrostbyte says some prefer NOT to be couchlocked! and 5-10% seems to be the way to go for us that don't. I clearly stated I was looking for a clear high not a stoned feel!! The only way I see 40% as peak justified as a suggestion is if the yield is indeed bigger, even if only slighlty. Any proof of that?!?! Otherwise it's really anoying that people suggest a harvest for their own taste. Anyway, you live you learn, hopefully I didn't harvest too late for my preference.

I have been drying and I think the buds should be ready for curing today! My objective was to harvesting at peak thc and if anything err on the side of too early, I looked at the trichs on the pics and felt afraid it was going over ripe!!!! with all that amber! I just chopped in dissapointment! Let me know how well/off it went did!!?!??! thanks all!































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    #615331 - 03/30/12 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #615334 - 03/30/12 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #615354 - 03/30/12 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

great! If you guys had to rate the harvest timming? out of ten or something?

Here's what it looks like after a week (7 days) of drying... given the size it should be done, no? but the stem crack test says it's not? it still bends... Is it because of the smallness/thinness of the stem?

The leaves also became dark so that sucks aswell.









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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #615356 - 03/30/12 06:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, 40% will give you a good head high.  No need to be all pissy about things man, esp. when you are the one asking questions and not knowing what to do.  If you don't want our opinion don't ask us for it.


40% amber doesn't mean that 40% of the entire amount of thc in your plant is degraded.  That is why it's called "peak" harvest.  Not past peak harvest. 


The trim job is not so hot.  But considering the size of the bud if you trimmed it all off then you wouldn't have been left with much.


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    #615440 - 03/31/12 02:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

hey hawksapprentice! sorry dude! you are absolutely right! I was the one asking for advice and asking about... You have been nothing but helpful and I should be nothing but grateful, again sorry... I guess it's just my first timer anxiety steaming off somewhere.

I'm sure it will all be fine once I taste it. :P

Anyway, so whats the story behind amber trichs? people say it's degraded thc turned into cbd? no?

Do you think there's no prob with the darkening leaves? and do you think I should keep drying the bud until no part of the stem folds? even if its so small and thin? Its been 7 days now... or should I start curing? Thanks man!


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    #615441 - 03/31/12 02:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd start curing now since it's so mall.  Most buds aren't going to have that much leaf since they are bigger.  Was that an auto-flower?


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    #615459 - 03/31/12 04:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i wish i had that id make hash :smile:


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    #615483 - 03/31/12 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can't take anymore. I've seen so much shit in this thread my computer is starting to smell.

First this "When trichs turn Amber the TCH is degrading into CBN" You have to be fucking kidding me. THC does not degrade into CBN. Both are made by the plant in different amounts at different stages of flowering. When THC degrades it degrades into nothing not another chemical.

BOG as a breeder is another joke. He puts plants in a room then puts a male plant in the middle  of them and shakes it. He's a pollen chucker simple as that. He does no work at all to stabilize traits in his strains it's a crapshoot. Last he's a thief. You don't take two bubble gum plants make seeds from them and call it a new strain no matter how special the parent plants are and that is exactly what he did with his strain Bog Bubble.

48 hours of darkness to force trichs. Classic, there your plants so do what you want but common sense will tell ya this is crap. Minus the fact that growers would have been doing it for years before this stupid rumor started. I myself find that light stressing the plants when they are at their most vulnerable is just plain stupid. With older plants light stress can cause herms or at least male flowers. What you have done is stumble onto one of Soma's methods for making female seeds.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Magash]
    #615484 - 03/31/12 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So then what is your recommendation on harvest times and indicators for it?


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    #615495 - 03/31/12 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks hawk! It wasn't an autoflower, it was just some bagseed I brought from Argentina, which means it's from paraguay. Anyway, I think it's the fact that it grew on 12/12 from the start that allowed for the size. If I knew what I now know about growing I would have had a bigger yield using the same pot size without a doubt. I will begin curing today! :laugh:

Hey Magash I appreciate your apparently expert input. All you say makes perfect sense to me. But yeah, I'd love to know what Hawks asked above.

Also, why do people say that when you harvest late you get a stonier effect and when you harvest earlier you get a clearer effect? And why is it that when you improperly store bud for a long time, so as to degrade it... you get a stonier effect? is it because the thc degrades and the cbd doesn't? oh and what is happening to the trichs as they become amber? thanks!


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    #615508 - 03/31/12 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well if you have a strain that isn't turning amber then you just have to use as much common sense as you can. You have a plant where the buds are not getting any bigger or swelling at the pod anymore and things are starting to turn milky. Now a few weeks have passed and nothing is changing you have a sign that you better pull cause things aren't turning amber. (and not all strains will turn amber in color at the trich)

This is the age of the internet try and find reports from people that have grown strains from that area. Now I realize that you don't know the exact strain but you can find out what flowering times for strains that come from the area around and in Paraguay. (which to be honest I'd love to get my hands on to see if it would cross to indicas well as I'm gonna guess that coming from that area it's a pretty hardcore Sativa)

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Also, why do people say that when you harvest late you get a stonier effect and when you harvest earlier you get a clearer effect?


  During late flowering the plant produces more cbd and cbn. Breeders are trying to breed strains that come high in both right from the start of flowering cause they say that both have medicinal qualities and that thc isn't the only thing in weed that helps people.

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when you harvest earlier you get a clearer effect?


as stated this is due to the lack of cbn and cbd. These qualities are not popular in Holland so when you go to the coffee shops there you will have a very hard time finding weed with amber trichs. They like the clear high more. (Although I don't call it a clear high when it's just a high lacking the couchlock effect, to me clear high is a fancy way of saying no high)


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And why is it that when you improperly store bud for a long time, so as to degrade it... you get a stonier effect?


  I live in a area where 75% of the population is weed growers and has been that way since the 70's and have yet to ever hear this till right now. When weed degrades it degrades to shit not to couchlock or every sativa could give a indica high just by letting it sit and that isn't going to happen or there would be a hell of a lot of happy Mexicans and South Americans.

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oh and what is happening to the trichs as they become amber? thanks!


It's like car paint that sits in the sun. What is happening is light, heat, and time are causing the trich to oxidize. When on the plant this happens around the time the plant starts to produce more cbn and cbd. If left to go to far past amber then you end up with shit weed. Next time you have brown Mexican weed look at the trichs. They are not milky or even amber. They have gone past to the point of being almost as brown as the weed or the color of dark sand. This is a sign that they have gone past the harvest prime plus the way they dry the weed causing massive degrading.

They dry the weed in the sun in piles like when you pile leaves in your yard. When the dry they dry brown and nasty since there was no care given to them.


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Well if you have a strain that isn't turning amber then you just have to use as much common sense as you can. You have a plant where the buds are not getting any bigger or swelling at the pod anymore and things are starting to turn milky. Now a few weeks have passed and nothing is changing you have a sign that you better pull cause things aren't turning amber. (and not all strains will turn amber in color at the trich)

This is the age of the internet try and find reports from people that have grown strains from that area. Now I realize that you don't know the exact strain but you can find out what flowering times for strains that come from the area around and in Paraguay. (which to be honest I'd love to get my hands on to see if it would cross to indicas well as I'm gonna guess that coming from that area it's a pretty hardcore Sativa)

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Also, why do people say that when you harvest late you get a stonier effect and when you harvest earlier you get a clearer effect?


  During late flowering the plant produces more cbd and cbn. Breeders are trying to breed strains that come high in both right from the start of flowering cause they say that both have medicinal qualities and that thc isn't the only thing in weed that helps people.

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when you harvest earlier you get a clearer effect?


as stated this is due to the lack of cbn and cbd. These qualities are not popular in Holland so when you go to the coffee shops there you will have a very hard time finding weed with amber trichs. They like the clear high more. (Although I don't call it a clear high when it's just a high lacking the couchlock effect, to me clear high is a fancy way of saying no high)


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And why is it that when you improperly store bud for a long time, so as to degrade it... you get a stonier effect?


  I live in a area where 75% of the population is weed growers and has been that way since the 70's and have yet to ever hear this till right now. When weed degrades it degrades to shit not to couchlock or every sativa could give a indica high just by letting it sit and that isn't going to happen or there would be a hell of a lot of happy Mexicans and South Americans.

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oh and what is happening to the trichs as they become amber? thanks!


It's like car paint that sits in the sun. What is happening is light, heat, and time are causing the trich to oxidize. When on the plant this happens around the time the plant starts to produce more cbn and cbd. If left to go to far past amber then you end up with shit weed. Next time you have brown Mexican weed look at the trichs. They are not milky or even amber. They have gone past to the point of being almost as brown as the weed or the color of dark sand. This is a sign that they have gone past the harvest prime plus the way they dry the weed causing massive degrading.

They dry the weed in the sun in piles like when you pile leaves in your yard. When the dry they dry brown and nasty since there was no care given to them.



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Well if you have a strain that isn't turning amber then you just have to use as much common sense as you can. You have a plant where the buds are not getting any bigger or swelling at the pod anymore and things are starting to turn milky. Now a few weeks have passed and nothing is changing you have a sign that you better pull cause things aren't turning amber. (and not all strains will turn amber in color at the trich)

This is the age of the internet try and find reports from people that have grown strains from that area. Now I realize that you don't know the exact strain but you can find out what flowering times for strains that come from the area around and in Paraguay. (which to be honest I'd love to get my hands on to see if it would cross to indicas well as I'm gonna guess that coming from that area it's a pretty hardcore Sativa)

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Also, why do people say that when you harvest late you get a stonier effect and when you harvest earlier you get a clearer effect?


  During late flowering the plant produces more cbd and cbn. Breeders are trying to breed strains that come high in both right from the start of flowering cause they say that both have medicinal qualities and that thc isn't the only thing in weed that helps people.

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when you harvest earlier you get a clearer effect?


as stated this is due to the lack of cbn and cbd. These qualities are not popular in Holland so when you go to the coffee shops there you will have a very hard time finding weed with amber trichs. They like the clear high more. (Although I don't call it a clear high when it's just a high lacking the couchlock effect, to me clear high is a fancy way of saying no high)


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And why is it that when you improperly store bud for a long time, so as to degrade it... you get a stonier effect?


  I live in a area where 75% of the population is weed growers and has been that way since the 70's and have yet to ever hear this till right now. When weed degrades it degrades to shit not to couchlock or every sativa could give a indica high just by letting it sit and that isn't going to happen or there would be a hell of a lot of happy Mexicans and South Americans.

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oh and what is happening to the trichs as they become amber? thanks!


It's like car paint that sits in the sun. What is happening is light, heat, and time are causing the trich to oxidize. When on the plant this happens around the time the plant starts to produce more cbn and cbd. If left to go to far past amber then you end up with shit weed. Next time you have brown Mexican weed look at the trichs. They are not milky or even amber. They have gone past to the point of being almost as brown as the weed or the color of dark sand. This is a sign that they have gone past the harvest prime plus the way they dry the weed causing massive degrading.

They dry the weed in the sun in piles like when you pile leaves in your yard. When the dry they dry brown and nasty since there was no care given to them.




Thanks for clearing the smoke Magash! I will indeed look up some paraguayan grow reports. Had not thought of that!

One last question... what is your personal number when it comes to the milky/amber ratio for peak harvest? What would it be for those who prefer peak THC but the least CBD/CBN? and what would it be for those who prefer peak CBD/CBN and are indifferent of THC? thanks!


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: taozen]
    #615542 - 03/31/12 11:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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One last question... what is your personal number when it comes to the milky/amber ratio for peak harvest? What would it be for those who prefer peak THC but the least CBD/CBN? and what would it be for those who prefer peak CBD/CBN and are indifferent of THC? thanks!




There is no set number at least for me. Depends on the strain really. I tend to go about 20% amber with sativas but I'm fine with them if they are all milky. With Indicas I like the couchlock high so I go 40 to 45% amber. Amber does not mean a degrade in thc specifically but in the trich as a whole.


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Re: Are these buds ready now? [Re: Magash]
    #615698 - 04/01/12 09:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Curing now... 0.76 gram! Take that DEA!





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    #615701 - 04/01/12 09:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeeahh....you need to step your game up mang...


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    #615777 - 04/02/12 12:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeeahh....you need to step your game up mang...




Well, it's not easy to grow without letting the other people in the house know. Specially being my first time. My goal was knowledge not yield but I will definately do better next time around.


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    #615902 - 04/02/12 06:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well I'm here to help ya with that!


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    #616036 - 04/03/12 03:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

someone is to young to be on here livin at home?? :wink:  just the murple in me comin out i guess. (for those who have been around that long)


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    #616038 - 04/03/12 03:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not everyone who can't let people know there growing are living at home.  But I know what you're saying.


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    #616059 - 04/03/12 07:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #635162 - 08/19/12 01:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't take anymore. I've seen so much shit in this thread my computer is starting to smell.

First this "When trichs turn Amber the TCH is degrading into CBN" You have to be fucking kidding me. THC does not degrade into CBN. Both are made by the plant in different amounts at different stages of flowering. When THC degrades it degrades into nothing not another chemical.





so ehm, 420mag disagrees here:

"Near the end of the flowering cycle, THC begins to break down and turns into another chemical compound called Cannabinol, or CBN (C21H26O2), in a process known as oxidization."

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/harvest-preparation-curing/72323-trichome-development-harvest-time-how-get-best-high.html

another guy on cannabis world forum

"CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. "


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    #635214 - 08/20/12 05:23 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

thats all Ive ever heard of about thc.. :shrug:

but then how would seed vendors say that a plant has 15-20% thc AND a 1% CBD content if thc turns into it, the levels would constantly change but they dont so Magash has a point. :strokebeard:


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